Many are called but few are chosen

[The_Watchers_2017]

I am grateful you are known by the acidic tongue of your father.

i am grateful i am judged by those who deny 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, [[((not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance))]].

the reason this Verse is so clever, it speaks that God does not WANT anyone to perish and it speaks about men who count slackness.

you should feel special that the Holy Spirit mentioned you in this very Verse

 

[ForestGreenCook]

and that is explained in his Second Epistle:
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, [[((not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance))]].

I think that you would like to keep things in context. Does not 2 Pet 1:1 tell us to whom Peter is directing his words to in 2 Pet 3:9, which would be to them that have obtained like precious faith? Peter even includes himself in this warning by using the word "USWARD". To me, this scripture indicates that these men already have the promise of an eternal inheritance.

Peter is warning them that when they commit a sin, they will perish. perish according to Greek interpretation means death, and death means separation. When they commit a sin they separate themselves, from fellowship with God, temporary, until they repent, because God will not fellowship with sin.

The words "ANY", and "ALL", has reference to "THEM THAT HAVE OBTAINED LIKE PRECIOUS FAITH". and not to the unregenerate person that cannot understand spiritual things as in 1 Cor 2:14.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I think that you would like to keep things in context. Does not 2 Pet 1:1 tell us to whom Peter is directing his words to in 2 Pet 3:9, which would be to them that have obtained like precious faith? Peter even includes himself in this warning by using the word "USWARD". To me, this scripture indicates that these men already have the promise of an eternal inheritance.

Peter is warning them that when they commit a sin, they will perish. perish according to Greek interpretation means death, and death means separation. When they commit a sin they separate themselves, from fellowship with God, temporary, until they repent, because God will not fellowship with sin.

The words "ANY", and "ALL", has reference to "THEM THAT HAVE OBTAINED LIKE PRECIOUS FAITH". and not to the unregenerate person that cannot understand spiritual things as in 1 Cor 2:14.

You turned a Heading Address into a Doctrine?

even if Peter is addressing like Believers, 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. is for Believers and Sinners. God does not WANT anyone to perish. you are saying God does not want the Saved to Perish but will preach OSAS, and this Verse is for all humanity!

YOUR OSAS Doctrine negates this Verse is about YOU!

but to spread a False Doctrine, you will [[((now))]] include Believers?

what does that make you?

 

[Inquisitor]

You espouse
Replacement Theology?

I have no theology nor an interpretation.

Paul is telling you that you can be grafted out of the tree of life, not me.

Will you continue in God's grace, God's kindness, or not.

 

[Inquisitor]

You fail to see this isn't about identity in flesh. Jew,Gentile.


It's about the inate Holy Sacred Spirit, Power, Soul, that is in all creation and created.

Made in the image and likeness of God, breathed to life as a living soul by the breath of that inate Holy Sacred Spirit, Power, Soul, we call God.

Eternal Majesty is not a Jew. Or a Christian.

He calls all his Chosen Elect people his Spirit enters, and leads us into himself. Because God is also not a man, that God should lie.

You must be joking.

The letter to the Romans is an explanation as to why Israel failed. Nothing more, nothing less.

Romans 11:28
In relation to the gospel they are enemies on your account, but in relation to God’s choice they are beloved on account of the fathers; for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience, so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy. For God has shut up all in disobedience, so that He may show mercy to all.

 

[Bluesproverb]

I have no theology nor an interpretation.

Paul is telling you that you can be grafted out of the tree of life, not me.

Will you continue in God's grace, God's kindness, or not.

Our God gives peace. We who are called do not labor to remain in his promise. Nor will false teachers lead us from his hand thinking to convince us we must ever choose to remain there.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Our God gives peace. We who are called do not labor to remain in his promise. Nor will false teachers lead us from his hand thinking to convince us we must ever choose to remain there.

IF YOU WANTED TO > you don't have the power within your being to walk away from God and live like a Sinner by rejecting God?

and if you Choose to remain with God, is God forcing you to stay?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

if God isn't [[FORCING]] anyone to stay with Him, how can He [[FORCE]] anyone to become Chosen?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

You turned a Heading Address into a Doctrine?

even if Peter is addressing like Believers, 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. is for Believers and Sinners. God does not WANT anyone to perish. you are saying God does not want the Saved to Perish but will preach OSAS, and this Verse is for all humanity!

YOUR OSAS Doctrine negates this Verse is about YOU!

but to spread a False Doctrine, you will [[((now))]] include Believers?

what does that make you?

Your reasoning ability is lacking, if you are applying us-ward to have reference to all mankind. That would be completely out of context..

Perish (separation from God's fellowship) does not separate them from their promise of an eternal inheritance. Where in my explanation did I say that they lost their eternal salvation? It is not there, because I did not say it.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

You must be joking.

The letter to the Romans is an explanation as to why Israel failed. Nothing more, nothing less.

Romans 11:28
In relation to the gospel they are enemies on your account, but in relation to God’s choice they are beloved on account of the fathers; for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience, so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy. For God has shut up all in disobedience, so that He may show mercy to all.

The two "ALL'S" in your underlined sentence have reference to Israel (verse 26), not to all mankind, as you suggest.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

if God isn't [[FORCING]] anyone to stay with Him, how can He [[FORCE]] anyone to become Chosen?

What would be your interpretation of Dan 4:35? And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing, and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

 

[brightfame52]

Not confusing. We know the names of God's Elect-Chosen are written in The Lambs Book of Life. Written before the creation of the world.

Ergo, those can only be the 'all' referred to in those Abrahamic passages.
Substitute Elect for all. It helps.

Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to the Elect, Abraham’s offspring — not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us the Elect.(Romans 4:16)

Context. Scriptural harmony.😊📖💕🙏✝️

2 Pet 3:9 is speaking of Gods Elect.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

He is specifically speaking of the us-ward which includes himself, and the others of like precious faith 2 Pet 1:1

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Also in 1 Pet 1 they are identified as the elect

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

And they are the called/chosen 1 Pet 2:9

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Thats who God is not willing to perish, and they wont perish, all of them up to the end of this present age, will be given the Gift of Repentance.

 

[CorrectiveLens]

i am grateful i am judged by those who deny 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, [[((not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance))]].

the reason this Verse is so clever, it speaks that God does not WANT anyone to perish and it speaks about men who count slackness.

you should feel special that the Holy Spirit mentioned you in this very Verse

The Lord is not willing that any of the predetermined chosen in the history of mankind should perish by ending it too soon before all of them get to be born and come to repentance. God's will is law. If He was not willing that any of the people in all of mankind should perish, then no one would perish ( which is not the case).

 

[Inquisitor]

The two "ALL'S" in your underlined sentence have reference to Israel (verse 26), not to all mankind, as you suggest.

As I said before, Romans is all about why Israel failed.

The two "alls" in verse 26 apply to all mankind. All mankind is disobedient.

Here is another set of verses from Romans that explain that election, may not be a permanent condition.

Romans 11:20-22
Do not be conceited, but fear; for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. See then the kindness and severity of God: to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; for otherwise you too will be cut off.

 

[Inquisitor]

The Lord is not willing that any of the predetermined chosen in the history of mankind should perish by ending it too soon before all of them get to be born and come to repentance. God's will is law. If He was not willing that any of the people in all of mankind should perish, then no one would perish ( which is not the case).

Your omitting something in your statements.

The predetermined chosen are chosen in HIM.

Ephesians 1:4
Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him.

Why is it important to notice that Jesus is always mentioned in the verses that speak of divine determinism. Because Jesus was predestined before the foundation of the world. That is a fact.

To say that an individual is predestined to salvation, is unclear in the scripture.

To say that an individual is predestined in Christ is what the scripture states.

Better still, we are predestined in Christ to be holy and blameless before Him.

Individual election to salvation is definitely not what the scripture ever states.

 

[Inquisitor]

The Lord is not willing that any of the predetermined chosen in the history of mankind should perish by ending it too soon before all of them get to be born and come to repentance. God's will is law. If He was not willing that any of the people in all of mankind should perish, then no one would perish ( which is not the case).

I see God's love as the most important attribute in our salvation.

By GRACE we are saved through faith....

That 'GRACE' is unconditional, divine love at work in Christ.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

As I said before, Romans is all about why Israel failed.

The two "alls" in verse 26 apply to all mankind. All mankind is disobedient.

Here is another set of verses from Romans that explain that election, may not be a permanent condition.

Romans 11:20-22
Do not be conceited, but fear; for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. See then the kindness and severity of God: to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; for otherwise you too will be cut off.

Read the following verses. espespecilly verse 25 & 26. God blinded Israel in part to bring in the Gentiles, Verse 23 says that they can be grafted back in, and verse 26, says All Israel shall be saved.

 

[Bluesproverb]

As I said before, Romans is all about why Israel failed.

The two "alls" in verse 26 apply to all mankind. All mankind is disobedient.

Here is another set of verses from Romans that explain that election, may not be a permanent condition.

Romans 11:20-22
Do not be conceited, but fear; for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. See then the kindness and severity of God: to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; for otherwise you too will be cut off.

Yes, and you were in error.

Your omitting something in your statements.

The predetermined chosen are chosen in HIM.

Ephesians 1:4
Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him.

Why is it important to notice that Jesus is always mentioned in the verses that speak of divine determinism. Because Jesus was predestined before the foundation of the world. That is a fact.

To say that an individual is predestined to salvation, is unclear in the scripture.

To say that an individual is predestined in Christ is what the scripture states.

Better still, we are predestined in Christ to be holy and blameless before Him.

Individual election to salvation is definitely not what the scripture ever states.

You don't realize you've just contradicted your own argument.

Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him.

That is divine determinism.
The names of God's Elect- Chosen by name before the creation of the world and written by God into The Lamb's Book of Life, and referred to in other parts of scripture too, is divine predestination of The Elect by name.

Which is evidence your statement,Individual election to salvation is definitely not what the scripture ever states, is in error.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Your reasoning ability is lacking, if you are applying us-ward to have reference to all mankind. That would be completely out of context..

Perish (separation from God's fellowship) does not separate them from their promise of an eternal inheritance. Where in my explanation did I say that they lost their eternal salvation? It is not there, because I did not say it.

you seriously need help!

What does 2 Peter 3:9 mean? - BibleRef.com
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Here, Peter shows us God's heart for the people He has created: He wants them all to be saved, but He will not force them all to be saved.

What does 2 Peter chapter 3 mean? - BibleRef.com
https://www.bibleref.com › 2 Peter

He longs for as many people as possible to come to repentance and to place their trust in Christ. The additional time is an opportunity for more to be saved.

US-WARD = ALL PEOPLE, NOT JUST SAVED ....LIKE I ALREADY TOLD YOU!

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Your omitting something in your statements.

The predetermined chosen are chosen in HIM.

Ephesians 1:4
Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him.

Why is it important to notice that Jesus is always mentioned in the verses that speak of divine determinism. Because Jesus was predestined before the foundation of the world. That is a fact.

To say that an individual is predestined to salvation, is unclear in the scripture.

To say that an individual is predestined in Christ is what the scripture states.

Better still, we are predestined in Christ to be holy and blameless before Him.

Individual election to salvation is definitely not what the scripture ever states.

The scriptures are a mystery to some of God's born again children. You seem to be one of them (Mark 4:11).

If you would read Ephesians one carefully you would see that the "US" right in front of your underlined "IN HIM" in verse 4, you would see in verse 1, that the us is Paul and the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus. which are "PEOPLE".

If you would read on in verse 5, you would see that, the us's in verse 1, are the same "us" as in verse 5, and are predetermined by God to be adopted as God's children by Jesus Christ, and Christ accomplished that on the cross for those "people" that God choose.

John 6:39 - And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all (the us's in Eph 1:1) which he hath given be I should lose nothing, but raise it up again at the last day.

Thankfully, you are among the many called, which are the us's in Eph 1:1. The few chosen are part of the many called that the Holy Spirit within them has revealed the knowledge of the work that Christ finished on the cross, which by the way, was not an offering to mankind, for mankind to accept, but was an offering to God, for God to accept, which he did.

All that Christ died for have the security of their inheritance of heaven.

You have been indoctrinated to believe that the unregenerate person can understand the spiritual things of God, and, therefore, can save himself, by accepting an offering, that never was a reality, in which, he cannot according to 1 Cor 2:14,