The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

[brightfame52]

Sorry, but if you believe that all of the salvation scriptures are referencing eternal deliverance, then you are believing eternal deliverance is accomplished by your good works, such as your believing in spiritual things, repenting, confessing, accepting, etc. All of these are works, and none of them are responsible for your eternal deliverance,

All the Salvation references I made in regards to this thread, is about eternal Salvation/Redemption. Please dont lie on me as well, Everything needed for Salvation was provided with Christ. This thread is abut the saving death of Christ, and dont forget that friend. Rom 8:32

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

 

[brightfame52]

John 12:32-33

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Christs own testimony to His own Saving death, hence there isnt one soul for whom Christ died that shall not come to Him or come to believe on Him and follow Him ! 24

 

[ForestGreenCook]

All the Salvation references I made in regards to this thread, is about eternal Salvation/Redemption. Please dont lie on me as well, Everything needed for Salvation was provided with Christ. This thread is abut the saving death of Christ, and dont forget that friend. Rom 8:32

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

The whole chapter of Romans 8, has reference to those who are in Christ Jesus. The "ALL" in verse 32, is all who are in Christ Jesus.

God delivered Jesus up for all of those that he choose and gave to Jesus (Eph 1:4 & John 6:39.)

 

[brightfame52]

fgc

The "ALL" in verse 32, is all who are in Christ Jesus.

God delivered Jesus up for all of those that he choose and gave to Jesus (Eph 1:4 & John 6:39.)

Correct, the all refers to all Gods Elect ! They receive everything needed for their eternal salvation by and through and with Christ.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

John 12:32-33

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Christs own testimony to His own Saving death, hence there isnt one soul for whom Christ died that shall not come to Him or come to believe on Him and follow Him ! 24

The "ALL NEN" is not all mankind. Matt 19:11 - But he said unto them, "all men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given."

By your statement, you are saying that all of mankind will come to believe in Jesus. Do you think that the scriptures teach that all mankind will inherit eternal life?

Some were appointed to stumble at the word (not believe) and some were a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people, that God called out of darkness into his marvellous light, who are now called his people (1 Pet 2:8-10)

 

[brightfame52]

fgc

By your statement, you are saying that all of mankind will come to believe in Jesus. Do you think that the scriptures teach that all mankind will inherit eternal life?

No and please quit lying on me.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

chester



Some of them will, thats a strange thing to say. You dont believe some jews are included in this promise Isa 45:17

17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Correct me, if I am wrong, but Romans 9:6-7, they are not all Israel, which are of Israel, neither because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children, but in Isaac shall thy seed be called. To me, this is connected to the fact that God changed Jacob's name to no more be called Jacob, but to be called Israel (Gen 33:28). A lot of the times after that when the scriptures make reference to Israel it is referring to Jacob/Israel as God's elect people.

 

[brightfame52]

Those Christ died for, they could never die in their sins, because when He died for them, He put away their sins Heb 9:26

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

This truth is vital to Preaching the Cross, what resulted from Christs Cross work, the sacrificing of Himself for sinners.

 

[brightfame52]

By Jesus Christ death upon the cross as our[His Church] Substitute, the Son of God paid our[His Church] debt, made atonement for our[His Church]sins, and redeemed us[His Church] from the curse of the law by making satisfaction to Divine justice for us[His Church].

 

[ForestGreenCook]

All the Salvation references I made in regards to this thread, is about eternal Salvation/Redemption. Please dont lie on me as well, Everything needed for Salvation was provided with Christ. This thread is abut the saving death of Christ, and dont forget that friend. Rom 8:32

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

"delivered him up for us all" The "US ALL" are those that he called, foreknew, and did predestinate The whole 8th chapter of Romans has reference to those who are "in Christ Jesus" (verse 1).

 

[ForestGreenCook]

This thread is abut the saving death of Christ, and dont forget that friend. Rom 8:32

I haven't forgotten. Christ died on the cross for all that his Father gave him, which was not all mankind (John 6:39, John 17:2, acts 13:48)

 

[brightfame52]

"delivered him up for us all" The "US ALL" are those that he called, foreknew, and did predestinate The whole 8th chapter of Romans has reference to those who are "in Christ Jesus" (verse 1).

Add Elect in there.

 

[brightfame52]

I haven't forgotten. Christ died on the cross for all that his Father gave him, which was not all mankind (John 6:39, John 17:2, acts 13:48)

Agreed. He layed down His life particularly and exclusively for His Sheep Jn 10 and that death ensures their eternal salvation !

 

[ForestGreenCook]

John 12:32-33

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Christs own testimony to His own Saving death, hence there isnt one soul for whom Christ died that shall not come to Him or come to believe on Him and follow Him ! 24

Who are "the all men"? You claim it is all mankind. I claim it is all of God's chosen. John 12:32 has reference to numbers 21, which was God's chosen nation of Israel. God sent fiery serpents among Israel because of their complaining, and they pleaded to Moses. After praying to God, Moses made a fiery serpent of brass and when Israel (God's chosen nation) got bit, if they would look upon the serpent they would live.

In like manner Christ, when God's born again, chosen children, have been bitten (stricken with an illness) they look to Jesus for their healing.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

fgc



Correct, the all refers to all Gods Elect ! They receive everything needed for their eternal salvation by and through and with Christ.

If you are including all of mankind as his elect, you make the scriptures contradict themselves, and they do not.

 

[Snacks]

I haven't forgotten. Christ died on the cross for all that his Father gave him, which was not all mankind (John 6:39, John 17:2, acts 13:48)

Jesus says for God so loved the world but you take the word “world” to mean a few select people. Such a viewpoint is a travesty. And spare me your Calvinistic garbage. I’m not replying to you if you respond.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Jesus says for God so loved the world but you take the word “world” to mean a few select people. Such a viewpoint is a travesty. And spare me your Calvinistic garbage. I’m not replying to you if you respond.

We all should keep an open mind, (hear counsel, and receive instruction, that thou mayest be wise in thy latter end - Proverbs 19:20) and listen to each other to determine if their views of the scriptures harmonize with all of the scriptures. Some of us get so indoctrinated with what we have been taught, about the scriptures when we were young, and it becomes very hard to let it go.

The Holy Spirit that has been dwelling within me from my youth (born again) did not give me the revelation of the mystery of Jesus's doctrine until I was 62 years old, and then his revealing was gradual. I am 87 years old now.

I would very much like for you to continue corresponding with me. I was plagued with not being able to study the scriptures, without them contradicting each other, until 62 years old, knowing that they were not supposed to contradict each other.

I have never read any of John Calvin's writings.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Jesus says for God so loved the world but you take the word “world” to mean a few select people. Such a viewpoint is a travesty. And spare me your Calvinistic garbage. I’m not replying to you if you respond.

This is one of the scriptures, before my conversion, that I thought contradicted 1 John 2:15 - Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world, if any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

My question, therefore, is why would God instruct us to not love the world that he so loved? One of these two scriptures must have a different meaning in the interpretation that, either you or I am giving it. Would you consent to respond to this? It might help either or both of us to understand better.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

John 12:32-33

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Christs own testimony to His own Saving death, hence there isnt one soul for whom Christ died that shall not come to Him or come to believe on Him and follow Him ! 24

Brightframe52, I apologise. I have been misinterpreting some of your post. I am in agreement with you.

 

[brightfame52]

Its just as Christ dishonoring to His Saving Death to say that His death saved no one apart from their believing, as to say His death saved no one apart from their good works of charity, or keeping the law, or water baptism.