And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil
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My perspective is that Christ didn’t always say everything He could have said. Often times He didn’t confirm or deny many things, thus leaving it open to interpretation. As far as the Bible goes, I’m pretty strict about what it literally says or doesn’t say. I am not willing to imply eternal torment for the rich man and Lazarus story.
I mean, we can cross examine this a bit. Let’s see John 20:31.
John 20:31
31But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in His name.
Look, Jesus didn’t say eternal life in John 20:31. Does that mean Jesus changed His mind about the offer of eternal life through belief in His name? No, because we know from many verses eternal life is through faith in Christ.
In like manner, we know Jesus said to fear Him who can destroy soul and body in hell (Matthew 10:28) and that those who don’t believe in Him will perish (John 3:16.)
Do Matt 10:28 and John 3:16 apply to the rich man too? I believe yes.
I mean, we can cross examine this a bit. Let’s see John 20:31.
John 20:31
31But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in His name.
Look, Jesus didn’t say eternal life in John 20:31. Does that mean Jesus changed His mind about the offer of eternal life through belief in His name? No, because we know from many verses eternal life is through faith in Christ.
In like manner, we know Jesus said to fear Him who can destroy soul and body in hell (Matthew 10:28) and that those who don’t believe in Him will perish (John 3:16.)
Do Matt 10:28 and John 3:16 apply to the rich man too? I believe yes.
??? Specious argument.
This claim is false on its face. We KNOW that Matt 25:46 speaks of an "eternal punishment". Your argument that a non entity can be punished even though not existing is simply crazy. If a soul ceases to exist, there can be NO MORE punishment.
One HAS TO BE conscious for punishment to be inflicted.
Dan 12:2 - Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
Here, we clearly see a contrast between the saved and the unsaved. At the resurrection of the saved, they will experience life everlasting from that moment forward. At the resurrection of the unsaved, which is for the GWT judgment, they will EXPERIENCE "everlasting contempt".
The idea that someone who no longer exists will EXPERIENCE contempt is impossible.
So, Matt 25:46 WITH Dan 12:2 proves that souls will exist in state of everlasting torment. Which is what Rev 20:10 SAYS about those who will be cast into the LOF.
Why you continue to ignore these 3 verses reveals your agenda.
[/QUOTE] I’m not adding anything to or taking anything away from the Bible.[/QUOTE]
You are ignoring Scripture.
This claim is false on its face. We KNOW that Matt 25:46 speaks of an "eternal punishment". Your argument that a non entity can be punished even though not existing is simply crazy. If a soul ceases to exist, there can be NO MORE punishment.
One HAS TO BE conscious for punishment to be inflicted.
Dan 12:2 - Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
Here, we clearly see a contrast between the saved and the unsaved. At the resurrection of the saved, they will experience life everlasting from that moment forward. At the resurrection of the unsaved, which is for the GWT judgment, they will EXPERIENCE "everlasting contempt".
The idea that someone who no longer exists will EXPERIENCE contempt is impossible.
So, Matt 25:46 WITH Dan 12:2 proves that souls will exist in state of everlasting torment. Which is what Rev 20:10 SAYS about those who will be cast into the LOF.
Why you continue to ignore these 3 verses reveals your agenda.
[/QUOTE] I’m not adding anything to or taking anything away from the Bible.[/QUOTE]
You are ignoring Scripture.
OK. Go ahead and "fill in the blanks" as YOU see fit. aka speculation.
This is a ridiculous example, since the gospel of John is FILLED with "eternal life" verses.
Again, all bodies of unbelievers will be resurrected for the GWT judgment and then cast in to the LOF where there will be a SECOND death. This isn't hard to understand. And again, just because God is omnipotent and is ABLE to destroy the soul, doesn't mean He does.
And you KNOW full well that there are NO verses that say He HAS or WILL.
This is a ridiculous example, since the gospel of John is FILLED with "eternal life" verses.
Again, all bodies of unbelievers will be resurrected for the GWT judgment and then cast in to the LOF where there will be a SECOND death. This isn't hard to understand. And again, just because God is omnipotent and is ABLE to destroy the soul, doesn't mean He does.
And you KNOW full well that there are NO verses that say He HAS or WILL.
I’m just not seeing it anywhere in the Bible. Let’s ask God humbly when we get there. I believe God is happy to answer any question, just know who the Boss is and don’t do it in a testing manner.
God knows who has sincerity of heart and is genuinely seeking answers. Those who have secret motives in their heart will be exposed and I believe God will call them out where they stand.
God knows who has sincerity of heart and is genuinely seeking answers. Those who have secret motives in their heart will be exposed and I believe God will call them out where they stand.
Because you don't want to see it in the Bible.
We KNOW that Matt 25:46 speaks of an "eternal punishment". Your argument that a non entity can be punished even though not existing is simply crazy. If a soul ceases to exist, there can be NO MORE punishment.
One HAS TO BE conscious for punishment to be inflicted.
Dan 12:2 - Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
Here, we clearly see a contrast between the saved and the unsaved. At the resurrection of the saved, they will experience life everlasting from that moment forward. At the resurrection of the unsaved, which is for the GWT judgment, they will EXPERIENCE "everlasting contempt".
The idea that someone who no longer exists will EXPERIENCE contempt is impossible.
So, Matt 25:46 WITH Dan 12:2 proves that souls will exist in state of everlasting torment. Which is what Rev 20:10 SAYS about those who will be cast into the LOF.
Why you continue to ignore these 3 verses reveals your agenda.
It will be obvious when we get to eternity.
We KNOW that Matt 25:46 speaks of an "eternal punishment". Your argument that a non entity can be punished even though not existing is simply crazy. If a soul ceases to exist, there can be NO MORE punishment.
One HAS TO BE conscious for punishment to be inflicted.
Dan 12:2 - Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
Here, we clearly see a contrast between the saved and the unsaved. At the resurrection of the saved, they will experience life everlasting from that moment forward. At the resurrection of the unsaved, which is for the GWT judgment, they will EXPERIENCE "everlasting contempt".
The idea that someone who no longer exists will EXPERIENCE contempt is impossible.
So, Matt 25:46 WITH Dan 12:2 proves that souls will exist in state of everlasting torment. Which is what Rev 20:10 SAYS about those who will be cast into the LOF.
Why you continue to ignore these 3 verses reveals your agenda.
It will be obvious when we get to eternity.
eternal mean never ending
punishment mean
the infliction or imposition of a penalty as retribution for an offense.
"crime demands just punishment"
this from oxford
Definition of infliction from Oxford
the action of inflicting something unpleasant or painful on someone or something.
"the repeated infliction of pain"
so eternal punishment mean an act “the repeated infliction of pain
remember eternal mean forever
how you make pain to non exist being?
prove to me if you able to keep inflicted non exist being
punishment mean
the infliction or imposition of a penalty as retribution for an offense.
"crime demands just punishment"
this from oxford
Definition of infliction from Oxford
the action of inflicting something unpleasant or painful on someone or something.
"the repeated infliction of pain"
so eternal punishment mean an act “the repeated infliction of pain
remember eternal mean forever
how you make pain to non exist being?
prove to me if you able to keep inflicted non exist being
