Who Justifieth the Ungodly
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... another claim that a person must be born again in order to believe the gospel by which he/she is born again.
Do you even think before you submit your posts?
Again, only the saved, Justified believe the gospel, to all others its a savor of death unto death, they are lost, and the Gospel is hid from them. Remember the Gospel is being hid to them that are Lost 2 Cor 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them
... another claim that a person must be born again in order to believe the gospel by which he/she is born again.Do you even think before you submit your posts?
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them
renewed
I have always believed and testified to Justification by Faith. Its my testimony in this very thread.
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/who-justifieth-the-ungodly.201619/#post-4663126
I have always believed and testified to Justification by Faith. Its my testimony in this very thread.
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/who-justifieth-the-ungodly.201619/#post-4663126
renewed
I already know this, and you didn't show it to me. And this is talking about the doctrine of Faith, the Gospel or the Gift of Faith given in regeneration, either way it has nothing to do with your human faith from your flesh which you make a requirement for salvation. You are being a prime example f how people wrest scripture to fit their ideals.
I already know this, and you didn't show it to me. And this is talking about the doctrine of Faith, the Gospel or the Gift of Faith given in regeneration, either way it has nothing to do with your human faith from your flesh which you make a requirement for salvation. You are being a prime example f how people wrest scripture to fit their ideals.
renew
Its clear what you have stated, you say man is justified by his faith which God gives every person, the unregenerate man in the flesh, so you promote justification by the flesh, your human faith. But read this:
Jer 17:5
Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord. You trust in the arm of the flesh when you trust in the act of the creature to be that act which God Justifies you.
Its clear what you have stated, you say man is justified by his faith which God gives every person, the unregenerate man in the flesh, so you promote justification by the flesh, your human faith. But read this:
Jer 17:5
Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord. You trust in the arm of the flesh when you trust in the act of the creature to be that act which God Justifies you.
renewed
You laid it to your own doorstep, and I called you on it. You make faith to be a condition you the natural man performs, so God will justify you. Thats law keeping. Any condition you make, that must be performed by the sinner, in order for God to bless you with the Salvation/Justification, its law !
You laid it to your own doorstep, and I called you on it. You make faith to be a condition you the natural man performs, so God will justify you. Thats law keeping. Any condition you make, that must be performed by the sinner, in order for God to bless you with the Salvation/Justification, its law !
renewed
Human faith is a law, Jesus said it Matt 23:23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
This faith, a weighter matter of the Law is from the law of creation to man in Adam, its for the natural man. Now since you appeal to the natural man faith to be a condition, so is the rest of the law a condition.
See faith which is the fruit of the new birth, the new creature, its not a law, but you not talking about that Faith, you talking about a faith man should have had in human nature, you brought this on yourself pal !
Human faith is a law, Jesus said it Matt 23:23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
This faith, a weighter matter of the Law is from the law of creation to man in Adam, its for the natural man. Now since you appeal to the natural man faith to be a condition, so is the rest of the law a condition.
See faith which is the fruit of the new birth, the new creature, its not a law, but you not talking about that Faith, you talking about a faith man should have had in human nature, you brought this on yourself pal !
Justified by His Death apart from our believing it ! 3
The word Justification here in Rom 4:25 is the greek word dikaiōsis and means:
I.the act of God declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him
II.abjuring to be righteous, justification
It denotes the acquittal of all for whom Christ died, and abjuring or declaring them to be Righteous !
Its the same word used here too Rom 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification G1347 of life.
The All men here receive as a Free Gift of Justification of Life, and they did nothing but be sinners and rebellious, its a Gift bestowed upon them simply because of the Righteousness of ONE, The Life Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ !
By them being free from guilt, they have been released from all Divine Punishment. None of these in 2 Pet 2:9
The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
Not one of them can be one for whom Christ died, it would be impossible, for that would overthrow the Throne of Truth !
All for whom He died have been abjured Righteous, Just, and it has been solely on the success of Christ's Death, and by that alone application of it has been made to their persons and account, even though its not yet known or realized by them.
Now finally, if we deny this Justification before Faith, We also deny the death of Christ for sin before ones Faith, and His resurrection from the dead before ones Faith, which is a terrible delusion to be found in, and at this point in world history, more than likely a fatal one !
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The word Justification here in Rom 4:25 is the greek word dikaiōsis and means:
I.the act of God declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him
II.abjuring to be righteous, justification
It denotes the acquittal of all for whom Christ died, and abjuring or declaring them to be Righteous !
Its the same word used here too Rom 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification G1347 of life.
The All men here receive as a Free Gift of Justification of Life, and they did nothing but be sinners and rebellious, its a Gift bestowed upon them simply because of the Righteousness of ONE, The Life Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ !
By them being free from guilt, they have been released from all Divine Punishment. None of these in 2 Pet 2:9
The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
Not one of them can be one for whom Christ died, it would be impossible, for that would overthrow the Throne of Truth !
All for whom He died have been abjured Righteous, Just, and it has been solely on the success of Christ's Death, and by that alone application of it has been made to their persons and account, even though its not yet known or realized by them.
Now finally, if we deny this Justification before Faith, We also deny the death of Christ for sin before ones Faith, and His resurrection from the dead before ones Faith, which is a terrible delusion to be found in, and at this point in world history, more than likely a fatal one !
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