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John146

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Concerning salvation = ABSOLUTELY NOT

The SAME Gospel was preached first by God Himself.
The SAME requirement from the Beginning in Genesis all the way to Revelation.

Now if you are speaking of ritual practices that were fulfilled in Messiah, then you are on track, but that is a different subject matter.
What did God require of Adam to be in obedience to him? Noah? Abraham?
 
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What did God require of Adam to be in obedience to him? Noah? Abraham?
Believing what God said to them.

Have you forgotten what the Bread of Life commanded us: "Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God".
 

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Believing what God said to them.

Have you forgotten what the Bread of Life commanded us: "Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God".
Exactly! And that word differed through time. That’s Dispensationalism!
 
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Exactly! And that word differed through time. That’s Dispensationalism!
The Word never differs = "Jesus Christ the same, yesterday, today and forever" Hebrews 13:8

The instructions from the Lord were preparatory for His Coming in the flesh.

Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

8Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.


Keep this in the forefront of your mind and heart = "The Word became flesh and dwelt among us"

John, read carefully Hebrews, Romans and Galatians and then read teh Gospel of John whoes name you share.
 

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Obedience to whatever word from God they had in their particular time period.
did Adam and Eve obey in the dispensation of innocence? No they did not . Only man speaks of dispensations. Like the liberals of today trying to destroy this country by dividing folks, so called men of God did all they could to divide God' people . Seems to me thinking of what i have read/heard dispensationalism has fallen deeper into the depths of ungodliness. Ignoring the very Words of Jesus . looking to a time when they can sacrifice animals what a damnable slap in the face of God.
 

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The Word never differs = "Jesus Christ the same, yesterday, today and forever" Hebrews 13:8

The instructions from the Lord were preparatory for His Coming in the flesh.

Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

8Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.


Keep this in the forefront of your mind and heart = "The Word became flesh and dwelt among us"

John, read carefully Hebrews, Romans and Galatians and then read teh Gospel of John whoes name you share.
Gods character and who is Never changes but what he requires from man has changed. Where’s your ark? Sacrifice lately? Staying away from the mark of the beast?
 

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did Adam and Eve obey in the dispensation of innocence? No they did not . Only man speaks of dispensations. Like the liberals of today trying to destroy this country by dividing folks, so called men of God did all they could to divide God' people . Seems to me thinking of what i have read/heard dispensationalism has fallen deeper into the depths of ungodliness. Ignoring the very Words of Jesus . looking to a time when they can sacrifice animals what a damnable slap in the face of God.
Before they sinned, they were innocent, without sin. They chose to disobey God. Did they call upon the shed blood of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins? nope
 
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Gods character and who is Never changes but what he requires from man has changed. Where’s your ark? Sacrifice lately? Staying away from the mark of the beast?
Correct - and the reason for Post #125

The LORD Yeshua HaMashiach is the WORD that never changes and is the WORD that was God in the Beginning.

Now you must find the answer to the question that was posed to you:
What does the LORD do with Jews He saves when He Returns as it is written in Romans.
 

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did Adam and Eve obey in the dispensation of innocence?
We do not know how long it was before they disobeyed. So from the time of creation to the day of disobedience they were innocent. That is why there is a principle in jurisprudence -- "Innocent until proven guilty".
 

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The Word never differs = "Jesus Christ the same, yesterday, today and forever" Hebrews 13:8

The instructions from the Lord were preparatory for His Coming in the flesh.

Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

8Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.


Keep this in the forefront of your mind and heart = "The Word became flesh and dwelt among us"

John, read carefully Hebrews, Romans and Galatians and then read teh Gospel of John whoes name you share.

I'm not what the focus of the thread(dispensationist) so to speak,,actually outside the four or five common camps in eschatology so it's just a curious question but based on this response how would you regard the Greeks,Persians ect. in this? Another example(maybe a better one) is Esau,lot,Ishmael ect. in that they(and the gentiles) were never in Egypt as slaves so things for instance like keeping the Passover feast in remembrance ect. do those Scriptures apply to them? I'll give a Scripture that comes to mind John 8:33 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John 8&version=KJV and in their answer they were descendants of Abraham(so one of his family lines) but that they themselves had never been in bondage (Egypt,Babylon,Persia,Greece ect.) so they were probably from among the Edomites(Esau's children) who were forcibly converted to Judaism during the Maccabean period and so were not among those who were delivered out of Egypt and did not receive the Law of Moses.
 

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Before they sinned, they were innocent, without sin. They chose to disobey God. Did they call upon the shed blood of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins? nope
Another of the devaluations of the Blood of Christ
 

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We do not know how long it was before they disobeyed. So from the time of creation to the day of disobedience they were innocent. That is why there is a principle in jurisprudence -- "Innocent until proven guilty".
we humans are born guilty. I did not say created.
 

John146

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Correct - and the reason for Post #125

The LORD Yeshua HaMashiach is the WORD that never changes and is the WORD that was God in the Beginning.

Now you must find the answer to the question that was posed to you:
What does the LORD do with Jews He saves when He Returns as it is written in Romans.
They will occupy the land originally gave to the twelve tribes and the 12 disciples will judge the twelve tribes. Gentiles left from the tribulation will occupy the rest of the earth and will be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth once again. The body of Christ will reign over them.
 

John146

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Another of the devaluations of the Blood of Christ
Nope, just stating facts. Adam and Eve did not trust in the cross of Jesus Christ. God provided the sacrifice of an animal to cover their sin. This would be the first example that sin requires a blood sacrifice. It's a picture, a type.
 

John146

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we humans are born guilty. I did not say created.
Born guilty? Do you believe a baby dies in their guilt and goes to hell? What sin is a baby guilty of?
 
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if some of you UNDERSTOOD the connection between Genesis Chapters 3, 6, 11, Deuteronomy 32:8-9, Psalms 82, you would know these are not Dispensations at all. This is a WAR between Heaven and the Fallen. some are classifying God's protection of the SEED as if it were God teaching man something new and bringing in a new dispensation.
 
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They will occupy the land originally gave to the twelve tribes and the 12 disciples will judge the twelve tribes. Gentiles left from the tribulation will occupy the rest of the earth and will be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth once again. The body of Christ will reign over them.
You are evading the question.
Please find the answer given to us by the LORD in Romans.
 
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if some of you UNDERSTOOD the connection between Genesis Chapters 3, 6, 11, Deuteronomy 32:8-9, Psalms 82, you would know these are not Dispensations at all. This is a WAR between Heaven and the Fallen. some are classifying God's protection of the SEED as if it were God teaching man something new and bringing in a new dispensation.
Nothing has changed - it only intensifies and will soon reach peak warfare.