And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil

[Runningman]

FreeGrace2 said:
Now you're just stalling. OK, so you don't actually have a verse about your "gift". OK.

Well, you certainly do have a knack for stalling. All I asked for was a verse that describes your gift.

What have I gotten? 3 posts from you with NO verse quoted or cited. As I thought.

This is what you initially said:

The difference between you and me is I have the benefit of having a conversation with God now. Glory to God. This is just a difference between the gifts we’ve been given. I hope you want it too.

I wouldn’t be here preaching unless I was given a directive from heaven to do it. That explains everything.

Sounds like you've got something special. So special it isn't even in the Bible.

Well, good on you.

Your question is irrelevant. I don’t need to share a verse about how it’s possible to have a conversation with God since the Bible from cover to cover is about man’s relationship with God. There are many conversations between man and God. A conversation is two way, not one way.

Are you saying that God doesn’t talk to you? Based on your argumentative nature, it would seem like you are suggesting you’re kinda not in a relationship with God. Maybe you should pray for God to open your heart, eyes, ears, and mind. You aren’t a mature Christian despite your years of advantage over me. I am more mature than you spiritually.

 

[Runningman]

I'll take that as no.

Take it any way you want to take it, but that isn’t what I said. I asked if there is a problem with me having a directive from heaven to preach the truth? There wasn’t a “thus saith the Lord” anywhere in my comment and if there was I certainly wouldn’t share it in this thread. There’s very little, if any, fertile ground to cast seed on in here. Wouldn’t you agree? I am here purely for outreach and ministry at this point.

Are you going to answer my question or not?

 

[Runningman]

Anyway I see my counterparts have seized the opportunity to attempt to derail this thread away from the fact that they were defeated and have utterly failed to prove there is eternal conscious torment for all unsaved people.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Take it any way you want to take it, but that isn’t what I said. I asked if there is a problem with me having a directive from heaven to preach the truth? There wasn’t a “thus saith the Lord” anywhere in my comment and if there was I certainly wouldn’t share it in this thread. There’s very little, if any, fertile ground to cast seed on in here. Wouldn’t you agree? I am here purely for outreach and ministry at this point.

Are you going to answer my question or not?

I asked first.
Your statement was obscure.
You are saying now that you do not have a direct message from The Lord on this issue.
That answers my question.

I don't know what you mean by a directive from heaven. So I couldn't tell you whether I have a problem with it or not.
Perhaps you are a pastor, a preacher or a teacher? If so am unaware of that.

 

[Melach]

So live a hedonist life. After you die, God will do you the favour of wiping out every level of sense & perception.
You'll never know or feel anything ever again.
You'll be banished from God's presence but you won't be aware of it.

Sounds like a convenient religion for the wicked eh?

yes this is what i have said here before in these threads. annihilationism is atheist's paradise.

they would love nothing more than for that to be true. annihilationism is kind of saying atheist's view of the afterlife is correct, except for the part where they are resurrected and permanently killed. but the end result is the same, non-existance. same as before you were born. ( i do wonder about this, maybe we just dont remember before our birth? anyone got verses about this? )

this also makes our evangelism kind of half-hearted id say. i dont understand why jehovah's witnesses are so keen on evangelizing when there really is no danger for the unsaved. sure they'll die, but so what? im not afraid of eternal non-existence. bring it on.

 

[Runningman]

yes this is what i have said here before in these threads. annihilationism is atheist's paradise.

they would love nothing more than for that to be true. annihilationism is kind of saying atheist's view of the afterlife is correct, except for the part where they are resurrected and permanently killed. but the end result is the same, non-existance. same as before you were born. ( i do wonder about this, maybe we just dont remember before our birth? anyone got verses about this? )

this also makes our evangelism kind of half-hearted id say. i dont understand why jehovah's witnesses are so keen on evangelizing when there really is no danger for the unsaved. sure they'll die, but so what? im not afraid of eternal non-existence. bring it on.

God’s word says the unsaved are destroyed and put to death. I’m sorry to hear your view of evangelism is halfhearted unless all unsaved people are tormented forever. If you’ve read through this thread, especially taking note of the verses proving this, then it sounds like your problem is with God and Christianity.

Out of curiosity, why are you a Christian?

 

[Runningman]

I asked first.
Your statement was obscure.
You are saying now that you do not have a direct message from The Lord on this issue.
That answers my question.

I don't know what you mean by a directive from heaven. So I couldn't tell you whether I have a problem with it or not.
Perhaps you are a pastor, a preacher or a teacher? If so am unaware of that.

By a directive from heaven, I mean the word of God says that we are to give a defense of the faith that is in us and that the Bible is useful for correction and rebuking, among other things. I’m a preacher, teacher, and prophet, but above all I’m just a child of God.

Why are you so confrontational on this point?

 

[Jackson123]

God’s word says the unsaved are destroyed and put to death. I’m sorry to hear your view of evangelism is halfhearted unless all unsaved people are tormented forever. If you’ve read through this thread, especially taking note of the verses proving this, then it sounds like your problem is with God and Christianity.

Out of curiosity, why are you a Christian?

matt 25
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

to me this verse say unsaved go to eternal fire

 

[Runningman]

matt 25
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

to me this verse say unsaved go to eternal fire

It says the fire is eternal. It doesn’t say the torment is eternal.

 

[Jackson123]

It says the fire is eternal. It doesn’t say the torment is eternal.

matt 25

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

eternal punishment >< eternal life

 

[Runningman]

matt 25

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

eternal punishment >< eternal life

They don’t get eternal life, meaning they’re dead and unable to experience any sensory perception.

Eternal punishment is therefore eternal death.

 

[Jackson123]

They don’t get eternal life, meaning they’re dead and unable to experience any sensory perception.

Eternal punishment is therefore eternal death.

how you punish the death?

you change the word punishment into death it is forbidden to change the word

 

[Jackson123]

The word “Punishment “ and the word “death“ has 2 different meaning
check in the dictionary online than you know the different

 

[FreeGrace2]

They are raised perishable and then perish in the 2nd death. You can't seem to make your mind up on this. Curious.

How else would unbelievers be raised? Imperishable? That doesn't make sense and you know it.

And why else would the Bible call the LOF the second death?

It's ALL about the body. But, you are free to believe what you want.

What is imperishable is the Word of God, and this indwells believers. Non-
believers do not have this. They perish, just as multiple Scriptures attest.

Of course they PERISH. That refers to the body that is resurrected for the GWT judgment. Do you non believe that unbelievers will be raised to physical life again? That seems to be your sticking point.

 

[Runningman]

how you punish the death?

you change the word punishment into death it is forbidden to change the word

I’m saying they’ll be punished with death. So they aren’t put to death? are you suggesting the unsaved in hell will live forever?

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Now you're just stalling. OK, so you don't actually have a verse about your "gift". OK.

Well, you certainly do have a knack for stalling. All I asked for was a verse that describes your gift.

What have I gotten? 3 posts from you with NO verse quoted or cited. As I thought.

This is what you initially said:

The difference between you and me is I have the benefit of having a conversation with God now. Glory to God. This is just a difference between the gifts we’ve been given. I hope you want it too.

I wouldn’t be here preaching unless I was given a directive from heaven to do it. That explains everything.

Sounds like you've got something special. So special it isn't even in the Bible.

Well, good on you.

Your question is irrelevant.

Thanks for PROVING that you don't have such a verse. Or you WOULD HAVE shared it immediately. All you've done is dodge.

I don’t need to share a verse about how it’s possible to have a conversation with God since the Bible from cover to cover is about man’s relationship with God.

Simple translation: Nope, I don't have a verse about having a communication gift with God.

I didn't say anything about "having a conversation with God". Every believer who prays "in the Spirit" converses with God. I do that multiple times a day.

But YOU said you have a gift of communication with God. YOU made it clear from your words that you have something very speshul when you "have a conversation" with God. YOU even called it a "gift", trying to rub in my face that you have something I don't have. YOU even taunted me with saying I should want what YOU have.

Yet, YOU cannot provide any verse that describes your speshul gift.

There are many conversations between man and God. A conversation is two way, not one way.

Yes, of course. But you certainly don't any sucy speshul gift, as you bragged about.

Are you saying that God doesn’t talk to you?

Why would I say what isn't true? God speaks to mankind through His Word. I thought everyone knew that.

Based on your argumentative nature, it would seem like you are suggesting you’re kinda not in a relationship with God.

You just keep demonstrating how little you seem to comprehend from my words.

Maybe you should pray for God to open your heart, eyes, ears, and mind. You aren’t a mature Christian despite your years of advantage over me. I am more mature than you spiritually.

OK, there YOU go again. Brag, brag, brag.

All this just demonstrates your own immaturity.

Truly mature people don't tell others they are mature and how immature others are, even to their face.

Since you don't have a verse that supports your speshul gift that you bragged about, when are you going to explain how to punish a person's soul that doesn't exist? Stlll looking forward to it.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Anyway I see my counterparts have seized the opportunity to attempt to derail this thread away from the fact that they were defeated and have utterly failed to prove there is eternal conscious torment for all unsaved people.

Just keep on dreaming.

 

[FreeGrace2]

It says the fire is eternal. It doesn’t say the torment is eternal.

Sure does in Rev 20:10. And Matt 25:46 says the punishment is eternal. Punishment requires consciousness.

How do you punish a comatose person?

 

[Jackson123]

Death penalty not 10 years penalty not eternal penalty

we not make bible to fit into doctrine

must all the way around

doctrine follow the bible

 

[Runningman]

Sure does in Rev 20:10. And Matt 25:46 says the punishment is eternal. Punishment requires consciousness.

How do you punish a comatose person?

It’s your assumption those verses apply to all unsaved people. Technically you’re adding to the book of Revelation by continuing to say Rev 20:10 applies to more than three person, but I doubt you care about that.

In Matthew 25:46 the punishment isn’t continuous. The punishment has an eternal effect though. The eternal effect of the punishment is death. Which is what happens in the lake of fire.