Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

[presidente]

you might be right! but i also see another view here no one ever addresses.

have you ever read John Wesley and others from 1500's to 1800's? they were always keeping quiet and hiding in homes and a different home each time they gathered in order to not get caught by either the RCC/Catholics/or the Government. so what we have Today, in "many denominations," that seem quiet and proper is the direct result of men of God fearing man rather than fearing God.

I never heard that about Wesley. He preached on unpopular topics, also. Theologically, he was very influential on Pentecostals, also.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Wesley traveled all over England on horseback preaching to people. Some people threw bricks at him. He kept preaching. Why do you call him a 'yellow chicken'?

because sometimes he hid.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I never heard that about Wesley. He preached on unpopular topics, also. Theologically, he was very influential on Pentecostals, also.

his notes are more specific but even a simple google search provides this:


In his early ministry years, Wesley was barred from preaching in many parish churches and the Methodists were persecuted; he later became widely respected, and by the end of his life, was described as "the best-loved man in England".

 

[presidente]

because sometimes he hid.

I hadn't read about that. But, so what? Once Paul hid in a basket and was let down from the walls of Damascus in it.

 

[Shepherd]

Other than the false tongues, the main error is their common teachings that one can be saved then lost again. And that one must keep themselves saved to make it to Heaven.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Other than the false tongues, the main error is their common teachings that one can be saved then lost again. And that one must keep themselves saved to make it to Heaven.

that ole Parable of the "Prodigal Son," who had glory and salvation, then THREW IT ALL AWAY [backslide]. let's stop there.

if the lost son remained backslidden, is he still saved?

or, was it when he repented and returned back to his father that he regained his position of salvation?


surely, had he remained backslidden and died, he had no salvation, true?

 

[peldom10]

Other than the false tongues, the main error is their common teachings that one can be saved then lost again. And that one must keep themselves saved to make it to Heaven.

Wow...are you saying one does not need to ....."maintain righteousness until the end" .......?(physical death).

 

[Amanuensis]

that ole Parable of the "Prodigal Son," who had glory and salvation, then THREW IT ALL AWAY [backslide]. let's stop there.

if the lost son remained backslidden, is he still saved?

or, was it when he repented and returned back to his father that he regained his position of salvation?


surely, had he remained backslidden and died, he had no salvation, true?

The New Testament teaches that we must continue in faith until the end.

However that being said, the parable is not about born again Christians and backsliding. It is a parable to teach the Pharisees that their attitude about being upset that sinners where eating with Jesus was wrong. He is saying they are like the elder brother in this parable and they should be glad that sinners who need to repent were interested in what Jesus was teaching.

But as to Christians that backslide and start drinking and fornicating and bar hopping. If they keep living that way they will go to hell.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

The New Testament teaches that we must continue in faith until the end.

However that being said, the parable is not about born again Christians and backsliding. It is a parable to teach the Pharisees that their attitude about being upset that sinners where eating with Jesus was wrong. He is saying they are like the elder brother in this parable and they should be glad that sinners who need to repent were interested in what Jesus was teaching.

But as to Christians that backslide and start drinking and fornicating and bar hopping. If they keep living that way they will go to hell.

Agreed and Amen!

but it can be about about Backsliding in a teaching sense of when we see the son was in a place of reward, and then chose to leave until he saw his life was crashing and returned back.

 

[Amanuensis]

Agreed and Amen!

but it can be about about Backsliding in a teaching sense of when we see the son was in paradise and chose to leave until he saw his life and returned back.

I agree that God's willingness to restore the worst of the backslider who is sincerely repentant is included in the lesson.

 

[mustaphadrink]

a stone goes over Jesus' head, Jesus says, "Mom"

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[mustaphadrink]

No one threw any stones, so your statement is exaggerative. But Jesus said to judge with a righteous judgment, and that's what we're doing. We are merely observing what's in front of us as others have done, and acknowledging the truth about the matter. How else can one avoid getting deceived? If someone (like Jesus or John the B.) said to someone "you brood of vipers," would you then claim he is throwing stones?

I never said they did and the word exaggerative doesn't exist.

 

[mustaphadrink]

I'm pretty sure we are to call out false prophets and reject their teaching.

I never said that we weren't

 

[Dirtman]

I never said that we weren't

Perhaps I was adding to your statement rather than refuting.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I never said that we weren't

First you said you heard Benny Hinn repent with your own ears. Then when I posted ironclad proof that he didn't really repent you said we shouldn't throw stones.

Granted, he did make a repentance of sorts. And also granted you heard it. But it wasn't sincere and he didn't truly repent.

 

[mustaphadrink]

First you said you heard Benny Hinn repent with your own ears. Then when I posted ironclad proof that he didn't really repent you said we shouldn't throw stones.

Granted, he did make a repentance of sorts. And also granted you heard it. But it wasn't sincere and he didn't truly repent.

That is not for me to judge.

 

[ResidentAlien]

That is not for me to judge.

Is it your place to judge anything, or just Benny Hinn?

 

[Shepherd]

"repentence" means to "turn from" or "turn against" something. In other words, you STOP doing what you're doing instead of merely denouncing or being "sorry" for it. It is obvious, from seeing ResidentAlien's second video, that Mr. Benny Hinn did not "turn from" bilking people out of money.

 

[ResidentAlien]

"repentence" means to "turn from" or "turn against" something. In other words, you STOP doing what you're doing instead of merely denouncing or being "sorry" for it.

Absolutely right.

 

[TheLearner]

I never heard that about Wesley. He preached on unpopular topics, also. Theologically, he was very influential on Pentecostals, also.

Did Wesley teach entire santification?