Pentecostalism's sketchy origins
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What's cynical about calling out a Christian con artist? Seriously. I'm curious to know how anyone could justify someone like like Hinn conning people out of money in the name of Jesus. Do you think I should just roll over and pretend it's not happening. Maybe if we ignore it, it will go away.
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The Pentecostals never grew up. They stayed immature and made a movement out of their experiences. The Charismatics soon followed and did the same. Now, "Pentecostal" and "charismatic" descriptions are as meaningless as "Christian".
One can tell much about a group according to how they label themselves. Protestants always amused me by how they derived their identity from the very thing they despised.
God does not acknowledge any division of the church except for location.
One can tell much about a group according to how they label themselves. Protestants always amused me by how they derived their identity from the very thing they despised.
God does not acknowledge any division of the church except for location.
No one threw any stones, so your statement is exaggerative. But Jesus said to judge with a righteous judgment, and that's what we're doing. We are merely observing what's in front of us as others have done, and acknowledging the truth about the matter. How else can one avoid getting deceived? If someone (like Jesus or John the B.) said to someone "you brood of vipers," would you then claim he is throwing stones?
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i've read the complete Canon several times and the New Testament alone even more. in all of the Church settings and teachings or preaching i've never read any congregation as dead as the majority of Churches are today. so are you saying that once the Bible was written Church Service became a place for the DEAD to go and congregate? and that is classified as mature? so the Bible Churches and gatherings we read about were never matured?
I made no inferences either way about any other groups beyond those of Pentecostal and Charismatic origin.
God used the authentic parts of the Azusa Revival to reintroduce the empowerment of the Holy Spirit to the church. He didn’t require much, because much wasn’t required. Our Father poured out His Spirit so that the people could experience Him and the power He carries. But, like Peter on the mount of transfiguration, the leaders sought to build a movement around the Holy Spirit and His appearing. That’s when it went off the rails. And God moved on.
Now, He’s raising up fathers: men who walk in the power of the Spirit without the silly laughter, jumping around, histrionics that the Charismatics embarrass themselves with. The Charismatics should have never defined themselves by spiritual manifestations because now they revel in the manifestation even when it is clearly demonic. With their senses so dulled, they are unable to discern the truth. Our distinction is in Christ alone as the body of Christ and in The Living God as our Father. God is building a house, a multi-generational family. And the children are to grow up! God forbid they languish in self-induced infancy.
God used the authentic parts of the Azusa Revival to reintroduce the empowerment of the Holy Spirit to the church. He didn’t require much, because much wasn’t required. Our Father poured out His Spirit so that the people could experience Him and the power He carries. But, like Peter on the mount of transfiguration, the leaders sought to build a movement around the Holy Spirit and His appearing. That’s when it went off the rails. And God moved on.
Now, He’s raising up fathers: men who walk in the power of the Spirit without the silly laughter, jumping around, histrionics that the Charismatics embarrass themselves with. The Charismatics should have never defined themselves by spiritual manifestations because now they revel in the manifestation even when it is clearly demonic. With their senses so dulled, they are unable to discern the truth. Our distinction is in Christ alone as the body of Christ and in The Living God as our Father. God is building a house, a multi-generational family. And the children are to grow up! God forbid they languish in self-induced infancy.
you might be right! but i also see another view here no one ever addresses.
have you ever read John Wesley and others from 1500's to 1800's? they were always keeping quiet and hiding in homes and a different home each time they gathered in order to not get caught by either the RCC/Catholics/or the Government. so what we have Today, in "many denominations," that seem quiet and proper is the direct result of men of God fearing man rather than fearing God. they controlled their congregations to keep from getting into trouble. you know UNLIKE Peter and Paul who were in jail almost once a month or more. those days are over man. we haven't cared about the Government tossing us into jail for over 100 years. we still preach against homosexuals and same sex marriage while the majority of denominations are making them clergy. we still preach against political correctness. we listen to God over the rules of man when it goes against God.
i always hear modern day preachers commenting on preachers from the 16th to 19th centuries as being astute, controlled, mild mannered, etc. and they were. you know why? they were chicken scared to death is why.
have you ever read John Wesley and others from 1500's to 1800's? they were always keeping quiet and hiding in homes and a different home each time they gathered in order to not get caught by either the RCC/Catholics/or the Government. so what we have Today, in "many denominations," that seem quiet and proper is the direct result of men of God fearing man rather than fearing God. they controlled their congregations to keep from getting into trouble. you know UNLIKE Peter and Paul who were in jail almost once a month or more. those days are over man. we haven't cared about the Government tossing us into jail for over 100 years. we still preach against homosexuals and same sex marriage while the majority of denominations are making them clergy. we still preach against political correctness. we listen to God over the rules of man when it goes against God.
i always hear modern day preachers commenting on preachers from the 16th to 19th centuries as being astute, controlled, mild mannered, etc. and they were. you know why? they were chicken scared to death is why.
in some of John Wesley's notes, he documents witnessing dancing in the Spirit, Speaking in Tongues, he called them the "Holy Shakes." this was happening in basements and deep woods keeping hidden. you know what else John Wesley wrote? he never Spoke in Tongues but desired God would give him that Gift.
personally, i think God did not give him that Gift because he was CHICKEN YELLOW of man when he should have been fearing God.
personally, i think God did not give him that Gift because he was CHICKEN YELLOW of man when he should have been fearing God.
I ignore it. I've never met anyone deceived by it. I see them on TV say give so I can have a nicer house because God wants me to be rich and people give it to them. There isn't any conning involved. If people are willing to do that what can you do?
Do you say "You do realize that he just said give and he will buy a bigger house with it right?" And they say , "Yes, I want him to be blessed with a bigger house so I am giving." So not technically a conn. They are doing these things with open eyes. It has gotten so bad they don't have to conn anyone today. They can be brutally honest and tell people they are buying watches and diamond jewelry with the offering and people will give to it. No trickery.
Do you say "You do realize that he just said give and he will buy a bigger house with it right?" And they say , "Yes, I want him to be blessed with a bigger house so I am giving." So not technically a conn. They are doing these things with open eyes. It has gotten so bad they don't have to conn anyone today. They can be brutally honest and tell people they are buying watches and diamond jewelry with the offering and people will give to it. No trickery.
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Proverbs 2:10-15:
When wisdom enters your heart,
And knowledge is pleasant to your soul,
Discretion will preserve you;
Understanding will keep you,
To deliver you from the way of evil,
From the man who speaks perverse things,
From those who leave the paths of uprightness
To walk in the ways of darkness;
Who rejoice in doing evil,
And delight in the perversity of the wicked;
Whose ways are crooked,
And who are devious in their paths;
When wisdom enters your heart,
And knowledge is pleasant to your soul,
Discretion will preserve you;
Understanding will keep you,
To deliver you from the way of evil,
From the man who speaks perverse things,
From those who leave the paths of uprightness
To walk in the ways of darkness;
Who rejoice in doing evil,
And delight in the perversity of the wicked;
Whose ways are crooked,
And who are devious in their paths;
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