Who is a Jew?

[kaylagrl]

As for my interpretations being incorrect, it appears everyone in the thread aligns their interpretation similar if not exactly with mine, except you and your two shadows. Which makes you outnumbered.

I'm in no ones shadow and the Bible says the Jews will be saved. Many in this thread believe and understand that is what Romans says, either a remnant, or all Jews. I don't know where you are reading, but no one agrees with you and Anderson. You can rip out Romans 11 if you want to, it's still there, you're still wrong. The Bible says to bless the Jews. Why aren't you?

 

[RichGladden]

I'm in no ones shadow and the Bible says the Jews will be saved. Many in this thread believe and understand that is what Romans says, either a remnant, or all Jews. I don't know where you are reading, but no one agrees with you and Anderson. You can rip out Romans 11 if you want to, it's still there, you're still wrong. The Bible says to bless the Jews. Why aren't you?

 

[kaylagrl]

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
28, 29. As concerning the Gospel they are enemies for your sakes—that is, they are regarded and treated as enemies (in a state of exclusion through unbelief, from the family of God) for the benefit of you Gentiles; in the sense of Ro 11:11, 15.
but as touching, the election—of Abraham and his seed.

they are beloved—even in their state of exclusion for the fathers' sakes.

100% what the Word says, God still loves the Jews, He is still calling the Jews. Israel is the apple of His eye. God WILL keep His promise, the covenant He made with Abraham. Anyone who denies that is calling God a LIAR. If God won't keep His promise to the Jew He won't keep it to YOU, it's that simple.

 

[kaylagrl]

Yes, I want judgment on all that rejects Christ Jesus, regardless of what they call themselves.

Excuse me, but YOU once were lost. I assume someone LOVED you enough to share the Gospel with you. What do you mean you want judgment on the lost. Don't you have family and friends still lost?!

 

[peldom10]

I'm in no ones shadow and the Bible says the Jews will be saved. Many in this thread believe and understand that is what Romans says, either a remnant, or all Jews. I don't know where you are reading, but no one agrees with you and Anderson. You can rip out Romans 11 if you want to, it's still there, you're still wrong. The Bible says to bless the Jews. Why aren't you?

Artisto #2,

What scriptures are you relying on other than the ...12000 from each of the 12 tribes...(those are Christian Hebrews) to conclude all jews will be saved?

 

[RichGladden]

One could never reach him or the other two. Their purpose here is entrapment and division. They know not the Bible from a Christian perspective, but from a Judaism prejudice against Christians, hence the efforts at entrapment. That is why one argues, while another goes and starts providing negative feedback ratings while no one is looking. It is a team effort. They got Apwallii and tried desperately to get me, with lies and even calling me a Jew hater several times. After my being reported, they learned they could not get me banned and then learned I am a Jew which opened another line of attack with Watcher even offering me 30 pieces of silver. They lost today, but they will regroup and start afresh tomorrow as they failed their master. But Christ reigned victorious as always. Stay strong. The fiery darts are real. And I am through with them!

More proof!

 

[kaylagrl]

Stop your faking. You have been exposed along with your shadows!

About three people are responding to this thread. So no, not everyone agrees with you. smh I've been here a long time and this isn't the first time this subject has come up. All kinds of threads on this. Why is the hatred in you so strong that you sit here 24/7 to answer back? You said 300 pages ago you would not answer. Maybe if we keep talking we can see where this hate comes from. You can't even pray for a sick woman, really?! How do you consider that a Christlike spirit?

 

[RichGladden]

About three people are responding to this thread. So no, not everyone agrees with you. smh I've been here a long time and this isn't the first time this subject has come up. All kinds of threads on this. Why is the hatred in you so strong that you sit here 24/7 to answer back? You said 300 pages ago you would not answer. Maybe if we keep talking we can see where this hate comes from. You can't even pray for a sick woman, really?! How do you consider that a Christlike spirit?

 

[peldom10]

Artisto #2,

What scriptures are you relying on other than the ...12000 from each of the 12 tribes...(those are Christian Hebrews) to conclude all jews will be saved?

A Jew...by definition cannot be saved...except by special dispensation by God.

 

[kaylagrl]

Artisto #2,

What scriptures are you relying on other than the ...12000 from each of the 12 tribes...(those are Christian Hebrews) to conclude all jews will be saved?

As I said in an earlier post that I have heard it preached both ways. I tend more to the remnant being saved, but Romans 11 does say all Israel. Again, we know the Jews are blinded for a time. That's why I enjoy when there is actual discussion on this. The Bible says "they will look on Him whom they pierced and mourn". We know that the anti- Christ will betray the Jews, they will think he is the Messiah until he slaughters a pig in the synagogue. Then Christ will reveal Himself and they will see He was the true Messiah all along.

 

[RichGladden]

As I said in an earlier post that I have heard it preached both ways. I tend more to the remnant being saved, but Romans 11 does say all Israel. Again, we know the Jews are blinded for a time. That's why I enjoy when there is actual discussion on this. The Bible says "they will look on Him whom they pierced and mourn". We know that the anti- Christ will betray the Jews, they will think he is the Messiah until he slaughters a pig in the synagogue. Then Christ will reveal Himself and they will see He was the true Messiah all along.

 

[kaylagrl]

There's no reaching you. You're corrupting the context of Jesus' words because your pride and want to win an argument is consuming you. Satan is into your head, drawing you away from truth.

This response ends my advice to you. I hope the rest ignore you too, so that no vent be given to your lies here on Christian Chat.

Brother, be careful not to aline yourself with this Anderson character. He is a false preacher if there ever was one. I know you well enough from your posts here that you could never hold with his beliefs.

 

[peldom10]

As I said in an earlier post that I have heard it preached both ways. I tend more to the remnant being saved, but Romans 11 does say all Israel. Again, we know the Jews are blinded for a time. That's why I enjoy when there is actual discussion on this. The Bible says "they will look on Him whom they pierced and mourn". We know that the anti- Christ will betray the Jews, they will think he is the Messiah until he slaughters a pig in the synagogue. Then Christ will reveal Himself and they will see He was the true Messiah all along.

I find nothing in Romans 11 which supports your conclusion...please point to specifics?

Romans 11 KJV

I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
8(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
9And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.


Before response ...please be reminded ...no one is born again and eligible to be saved...unless they follow God's commandments....and that certainly includes believing in Christ.

One could replace Jew in Romans 11 with anyone....and it would apply.

 

[peldom10]

At the time of the rapture there will be Jews who turn and accept Christ...common sense tells us that...but, as with non jews there will be the ...hard of hearts...that will refuse to acknowledge Christ and God's word.....................

......we see that right here on this and other forums....as well as of society in general.

 

[PennEd]

Before response ...please be reminded ...no one is born again and eligible to be saved...unless they follow God's commandments.

I'm reminded that this is completely antithetical the Gospel.

If we could follow God's commandments before regeneration, then we wouldn't need Jesus.

 

[kaylagrl]

One could never reach him or the other two. Their purpose here is entrapment and division. They know not the Bible from a Christian perspective, but from a Judaism prejudice against Christians,hence the efforts at entrapment. That is why one argues, while another goes and starts providing negative feedback ratings while no one is looking. It is a team effort.

There is too much speaking about what they do not know. I do not agree with Judaizers, I am in fact Pentecostal, but I attend a church with blended denominations. I traveled for 20+yrs in ministry in all denominations preaching Jesus Saves. I am evangelical. I read the Word, I believe what it says. I don't need to come here to trap anyone. Each here has their own mind. I assume each person here reads the Bible for themselves and has a personal relationship with Christ. For the most part, those who have been here a long time, that is true. This subject has been hashed out here long before you and long after you leave. So where is all this anger coming from? You're obsessed with this particular subject, and I'm wondering why. It just doesn't make sense. Watcher, sorry brother I don't know your real name, is no particular supporter of mine. I don't even believe we follow each other. We have never spoken in private, and you don't see us interacting around the forums. But we do have some agreement here. And this is a discussion board and people are, gasp, allowed to agree with one another!!

They got Apwallii and tried desperately to get me,

Ok, now that is a lie. No one has any authority to "get" anyone. There are mods here and I am not one. If I had been, yes,you'd be long gone. But I do not have that power. So stop being paranoid, no one can "get" you.

with lies and even calling me a Jew hater several times.

If you line yourself with Anderson, then yes, I believe that to be true. You doggedly support him so I don't see any other option. Do you? Yes, you can be a Jew and have hatred for the people. I don't know why you would, you'd have to explain it to me. Being a Christian should give you more compassion for the Jews, not less. You should want to see your people saved. Why do you not?? It's beyond understanding.

After my being reported, they learned they could not get me banned and then learned I am a Jew which opened another line of attack with Watcher even offering me 30 pieces of silver.

And you'll see I made no mark on that. I disagree with saying that.In the heat of emotion things are said, I'm sure you agree. That should not have been said. But you just admitted yourself that no one can get anyone banned.

They lost today, but they will regroup and start afresh tomorrow as they failed their master.

You cannot say what my relationship with my master is. And that's very dangerous ground. I get this is emotional for you, but I think you better step back on that one.

But Christ reigned victorious as always. Stay strong. The fiery darts are real. And I am through with them!

You said that pages ago, and yet you still persist. I am going to do something I think is futile, but I'm just that silly to take the chance. I'm going to put a hand out and PM you and see if we can settle this issue. Feel free to ignore it utterly. But I will take the chance and we will see what comes of it.

 

[RichGladden]

There is too much speaking about what they do not know. I do not agree with Judaizers, I am in fact Pentecostal, but I attend a church with blended denominations. I traveled for 20+yrs in ministry in all denominations preaching Jesus Saves. I am evangelical. I read the Word, I believe what it says. I don't need to come here to trap anyone. Each here has their own mind. I assume each person here reads the Bible for themselves and has a personal relationship with Christ. For the most part, those who have been here a long time, that is true. This subject has been hashed out here long before you and long after you leave. So where is all this anger coming from? You're obsessed with this particular subject, and I'm wondering why. It just doesn't make sense. Watcher, sorry brother I don't know your real name, is no particular supporter of mine. I don't even believe we follow each other. We have never spoken in private, and you don't see us interacting around the forums. But we do have some agreement here. And this is a discussion board and people are, gasp, allowed to agree with one another!!





Ok, now that is a lie. No one has any authority to "get" anyone. There are mods here and I am not one. If I had been, yes,you'd be long gone. But I do not have that power. So stop being paranoid, no one can "get" you.






If you line yourself with Anderson, then yes, I believe that to be true. You doggedly support him so I don't see any other option. Do you? Yes, you can be a Jew and have hatred for the people. I don't know why you would, you'd have to explain it to me. Being a Christian should give you more compassion for the Jews, not less. You should want to see your people saved. Why do you not?? It's beyond understanding.






And you'll see I made no mark on that. I disagree with saying that.In the heat of emotion things are said, I'm sure you agree. That should not have been said. But you just admitted yourself that no one can get anyone banned.






You cannot say what my relationship with my master is. And that's very dangerous ground. I get this is emotional for you, but I think you better step back on that one.






You said that pages ago, and yet you still persist. I am going to do something I think is futile, but I'm just that silly to take the chance. I'm going to put a hand out and PM you and see if we can settle this issue. Feel free to ignore it utterly. But I will take the chance and we will see what comes of it.

You are wicked and I have exposed you as your shadows! You know not God and have not His Holy Spirit and that is why your understanding is as minimal as is your tact.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

You are wicked and I have exposed you as your shadows! You know not God and have not His Holy Spirit and that is why your understanding is as minimal as is your tact.

i have shown you scholars and theologians views who make it their duty to find biblical truth. and they all claim the Jews will be saved. what are a few VOICES in a thread and their Denominational views compared to learned scholars and theologians?

 

[Edify]

And now we know why the Bible says to dust off your feet as a witness when they don't receive you.

 

[kaylagrl]

You are wicked and I have exposed you as your shadows! You know not God and have not His Holy Spirit and that is why your understanding is as minimal as is your tact.

And so the answer is no, you will not respond to the PM to find peace in this situation. I wasted my time. Well, it was worth a try.