Who is a Jew?

[The_Watchers_2017]

Hi The Watchers,

That does not mean that the Apostle has no place for corporate election in his thinking. In Romans 11:1-6, Paul says that God has not rejected His people Israel, though he doesn't believe that every ethnic Israelite will be saved. He preached the gospel to the Jews first in each city, because without belief in the gospel, no one can be saved (Acts 13:1-5). In Romans 11:1-6, Paul means that the Lord has not rejected ethnic Israel as a corporate body even though He has rejected every Jew—and Gentile, for that matter—who never trusts in Jesus

Paul uses the category of corporate election in today's passage when he says that in regard to the gospel, Israel is the enemy of the church (v. 28). This cannot mean that all ethnic Israelites are opposed to the gospel, for Paul himself is an ethnic Israelite. What he means is that as a corporate body, ethnic Israel is presently opposed to the Lord.

On the other hand, the same corporate Israel is on account of election "beloved for the sake of their forefathers" (v. 28). God continues to love the collective whole of ethnic Israel because of His promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Our Creator will never "abhor [the Jews] so as to destroy them utterly and break [His] covenant" that He made with them (Lev. 26:44). This is not a promise to save each and every person of Jewish descent, for "not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel" (Rom. 9:6). It is a pledge that God will never cast off the Jews as a whole. He will save them so that we can speak of the salvation of Israel even if not every single Jew who has ever lived will be saved. John Calvin comments that Paul "speaks not now of the election of individuals, but of the common adoption= of the whole nation, which might seem for a time, according to the outward appearance, to have failed, but had not been cut up by the roots." God has a calling for ethnic Israel as a whole, and He will not go back on His word (v. 29

actually, Romans 11:28 As to the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but as to the election they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes:

confirms Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great trumpet, and they shall gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[RichGladden]

actually, Romans 11:28 As to the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but as to the election they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes:

confirms Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great trumpet, and they shall gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Again, you don't know who the elect actually are. I will give you a hint......They are not all true Jews. And the Jews that are in the Elect believe on Jesus.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Again, you don't know who the elect actually are. I will give you a hint......They are not all true Jews. And the Jews that ssare in the Elect believe on Jesus.

we will be Raptured before the Second Coming. the Jews, or the ELECT, are the only ones remaining.

 

[RichGladden]

we will be Raptured before the Second Coming. the Jews, or the ELECT, are the only ones remaining.

Another falsehood

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Another falsehood

if the Bride is Raptured, only the Jews remain. anyone else is Beheaded.

 

[RichGladden]

if the Bride is Raptured, only the Jews remain. anyone else is Beheaded.

They don't teach much Bible in Judaism do they?
The Bride does not get raptured. Now please, display more ignorance!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

They don't teach much Bible in Judaism do they?
The Bride does not get raptured. Now please, display more ignorance!

40 Then two men will be in the field, one taken and one left.
41 Two women will be grinding at the mill, one taken and one left.
42 Therefore stay alert; for you do not know what day your Lord is coming.

working in the field or at the mill is a JOB. you will need the Mark of the Beast to have a job. what Christian, with no MOB will have a job or be around sinners? this is the Rapture in Verses 40-42.

 

[ChristianTonyB]

Guys, the vitriol being slung backwards and forward here is diminishing your standing in God's eyes.

If we are unsure whether all Jews, members of physical Israel, will be saved or not, then Jesus gives us a clear indication of the truth of the matter. We know Jesus was sent to predominantly serve and save the lost sheep of Israel. It's safe therefore to conclude His parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man refers to two Jews. One of those upon death was seen resting in the bosom of his father, Abraham. The other Jew, upon his death, was seen suffering in the place set aside for him and his father, Satan. So one Jew was saved, one Jew was not.

 

[RichGladden]

40 Then two men will be in the field, one taken and one left.
41 Two women will be grinding at the mill, one taken and one left.
42 Therefore stay alert; for you do not know what day your Lord is coming.

working in the field or at the mill is a JOB. you will need the Mark of the Beast to have a job. what Christian, with no MOB will have a job or be around sinners? this is the Rapture in Verses 40-42.

Where is the bride? Was that not your claim trickster? Show me the bride being raptured. I've already seen your ignorance!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Guys, the vitriol being slung backwards and forward here is diminishing your standing in God's eyes.

If we are unsure whether all Jews, members of physical Israel, will be saved or not, then Jesus gives us a clear indication of the truth of the matter. We know Jesus was sent to predominantly serve and save the lost sheep of Israel. It's safe therefore to conclude His parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man refers to two Jews. One of those upon death was seen resting in the bosom of his father, Abraham. The other Jew, upon his death, was seen suffering in the place set aside for him and his father, Satan. So one Jew was saved, one Jew was not.

Lazarus is a Gentile.
the Parable is telling the Jews the Gentiles are going to be accepted.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Where is the bride? Was that not your claim trickster? Show me the bride being raptured. I've already seen your ignorance!

the Bride is the one man taken and one woman taken.

tell me how you will have a job without Mark of the Beast?

 

[RichGladden]

Guys, the vitriol being slung backwards and forward here is diminishing your standing in God's eyes.

If we are unsure whether all Jews, members of physical Israel, will be saved or not, then Jesus gives us a clear indication of the truth of the matter. We know Jesus was sent to predominantly serve and save the lost sheep of Israel. It's safe therefore to conclude His parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man refers to two Jews. One of those upon death was seen resting in the bosom of his father, Abraham. The other Jew, upon his death, was seen suffering in the place set aside for him and his father, Satan. So one Jew was saved, one Jew was not.

It is not just one, but a team trying to ensnare others and having them kicked off after being labeled Jew-haters. They tried me and failed. They are posers that don't know the Bible and knowing the Bible is not necessary for their purpose here. Sorry, you are witnessing this.

 

[RichGladden]

the Bride is the one man taken and one woman taken.

tell me how you will have a job without Mark of the Beast?

The Bible does not say that, in fact, the Bible if you knew your Bible, calls the bride, New Jerusalem. You lost again!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

The Bible does not say that, in fact, the Bible if you knew your Bible, calls the bride, New Jerusalem. You lost again!

the Bride is Raptured.
New Jerusalem is the CITY of the BRIDE!

 

[ChristianTonyB]

Lazarus is a Gentile.
the Parable is telling the Jews the Gentiles are going to be accepted.

No, that wouldn't be correct. Even though you can't be convinced at the moment, I hope some on the periphery of this discussion will have any doubts on this matter cleared up for them.

 

[RichGladden]

the Bride is Raptured.
New Jerusalem is the CITY of the BRIDE!

Show me where the Bible says anything about the "bride" being raptured. I care not what you call then, show me the Bible calling them the bride. You can not because it is not there!

 

[RichGladden]

No, that wouldn't be correct. Even though you can't be convinced at the moment, I hope some on the periphery of this discussion will have any doubts on this matter cleared up for them.

I don't consider it a parable because it mentions two characters by name and is not introduced as a parable even though no parable proceeds it.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

No, that wouldn't be correct. Even though you can't be convinced at the moment, I hope some on the periphery of this discussion will have any doubts on this matter cleared up for them.

• The rich man is dressed in linen and purple, a color reserved for royalty, and a fabric associated with luxury.
• The rich man’s family has access to “Moses and the prophets,” (v.29), a reference the Hebrew scriptures
• The rich man also calls Abraham "Father Abraham", (v. 24), something that only an Israelite would do.

• The beggar, Lazarus, is an outsider. He lived a miserable existence outside the rich man's house, hoping to glean just a few crumbs that fell from the rich man’s table.
• Lazarus lives with the dogs, a derogatory name used for Gentiles. Look at the story found in Matthew 15:21-28, where a Gentile woman asks Jesus for help. Jesus initially refuses her, indicating that He had come for the “house of Israel.” (v.24) “It is not meet,” Jesus says, “to take the children’s bread and cast it to dogs.” Her reply? "Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” (v.27)

 

[RichGladden]

• The rich man is dressed in linen and purple, a color reserved for royalty, and a fabric associated with luxury.
• The rich man’s family has access to “Moses and the prophets,” (v.29), a reference the Hebrew scriptures
• The rich man also calls Abraham "Father Abraham", (v. 24), something that only an Israelite would do.

• The beggar, Lazarus, is an outsider. He lived a miserable existence outside the rich man's house, hoping to glean just a few crumbs that fell from the rich man’s table.
• Lazarus lives with the dogs, a derogatory name used for Gentiles. Look at the story found in Matthew 15:21-28, where a Gentile woman asks Jesus for help. Jesus initially refuses her, indicating that He had come for the “house of Israel.” (v.24) “It is not meet,” Jesus says, “to take the children’s bread and cast it to dogs.” Her reply? "Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” (v.27)

Bull!
So you are telling me Gentiles licked his sores? None of that is correct as we know the Pharisee were known to were purple, and so did some Romans that occupied Israel. Try harder to decieve.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Bull!
So you are telling me Gentiles licked his sores? None of that is correct as we know the Pharisee were known to were purple, and so did some Romans that occupied Israel. Try harder to decieve.

You not familiar with the samritan woman. even the dogs eat the crumbs from the Master's Table.

i thought you claimed to be Biblically sound.