Who is a Jew?
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Dunt dunt dah!!! Plot twist! rofl Who saw that coming?! Then you should know all of this by heart. No one should need to explain to you the unconditional covenant God made with Abraham, or the promise actual land of Israel, or the persecution or the Jews down through the centuries. You should know about replacement theology and Gods plan and purpose for His chosen people. Why all this foolishness if you know all this?! smh
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Let me cut in here by adding that the Jews since the destruction of their temple in A.D. 70, no longer have a relationship with God through the law of Moses. As a nation, they were cut off for their sins against God since its inception because they broke the covenant to pieces (Matt. 23:34-39, Luke 19:41-44; 1Thes. 2:14-16), and if that wasn't enough, they killed the Son of God by handing Him to the Romans to be crucified. They killed the prophets and persecuted believers to death. Furthermore, you should search the NT and you will discover that there isn't ONE SINGLE PROMISE to the nation of Israel. The promises are for the body of Messiah whom we are part of because we have placed our faith in our God and Savior who removed our sins, took us out of darkness, and is sanctifying us by faith in Christ.
God finished with Israel 2,000 years ago.
Now, concerning Rom. 11:29, does this scripture suggest that the Jews were supposed to receive salvation without Christ? The elect refers to those who have accepted their election through faith in Christ. and that applies to everyone without exception.
P.S. I don't believe in Replacement Theology.
28 As to the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but as to the election they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes:
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this explains this:
26 and so all Israel shall be saved, as it is written:
ALL JEWS will be Saved!
i really thought someone would read ahead and search Romans 11 but clearly HATRED has blinded those who are against the Jews!
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this explains this:
26 and so all Israel shall be saved, as it is written:
ALL JEWS will be Saved!
i really thought someone would read ahead and search Romans 11 but clearly HATRED has blinded those who are against the Jews!
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You can attempt to explain your lies all you want. My Grandfather was a Rabbi and knew Judaism well, and he converted to Christianity and would not even dare call himself a Messianic Jew, just a Christian. He raised my Mother as a Christian, who raised her children as Christians. Your unconditional covenant does not exist. Jesus is our covenant and He requires belief. And replacement Theology is real and true and the Bible confirms and supports it. Now take your lies from the pit of hell and your father Satan with you. They have no power here!
Prove using scripture, and NOT gnostic texts like you tried before, that the Jews (meaning the race, or by blood) are the Elect. You can not as so much states differently. And don't try your sly little tricks. I know who you are, I know what your purpose it here, and I know you will not succeed. Now, having said that......scripture please!
good effort to stall, and yet another grand show your case is weak, but continue.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
26 speaks of Jesus coming into the world
27 speaks of His sacrifice to rid believers of sins
Jews reject Jesus, so this is not about them.
Again......Try harder!
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
26 speaks of Jesus coming into the world
27 speaks of His sacrifice to rid believers of sins
Jews reject Jesus, so this is not about them.
Again......Try harder!
Hi The Watchers,
That does not mean that the Apostle has no place for corporate election in his thinking. In Romans 11:1-6, Paul says that God has not rejected His people Israel, though he doesn't believe that every ethnic Israelite will be saved. He preached the gospel to the Jews first in each city, because without belief in the gospel, no one can be saved (Acts 13:1-5). In Romans 11:1-6, Paul means that the Lord has not rejected ethnic Israel as a corporate body even though He has rejected every Jew—and Gentile, for that matter—who never trusts in Jesus
Paul uses the category of corporate election in today's passage when he says that in regard to the gospel, Israel is the enemy of the church (v. 28). This cannot mean that all ethnic Israelites are opposed to the gospel, for Paul himself is an ethnic Israelite. What he means is that as a corporate body, ethnic Israel is presently opposed to the Lord.
On the other hand, the same corporate Israel is on account of election "beloved for the sake of their forefathers" (v. 28). God continues to love the collective whole of ethnic Israel because of His promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Our Creator will never "abhor [the Jews] so as to destroy them utterly and break [His] covenant" that He made with them (Lev. 26:44).
This is not a promise to save each and every person of Jewish descent, for "not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel" (Rom. 9:6). It is a pledge that God will never cast off the Jews as a whole. He will save them so that we can speak of the salvation of Israel even if not every single Jew who has ever lived will be saved. John Calvin comments that Paul "speaks not now of the election of individuals, but of the common adoption= of the whole nation, which might seem for a time, according to the outward appearance, to have failed, but had not been cut up by the roots." God has a calling for ethnic Israel as a whole, and He will not go back on His word (v. 29
https://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/gods-irrevocable-gifts-and-calling
That does not mean that the Apostle has no place for corporate election in his thinking. In Romans 11:1-6, Paul says that God has not rejected His people Israel, though he doesn't believe that every ethnic Israelite will be saved. He preached the gospel to the Jews first in each city, because without belief in the gospel, no one can be saved (Acts 13:1-5). In Romans 11:1-6, Paul means that the Lord has not rejected ethnic Israel as a corporate body even though He has rejected every Jew—and Gentile, for that matter—who never trusts in Jesus
Paul uses the category of corporate election in today's passage when he says that in regard to the gospel, Israel is the enemy of the church (v. 28). This cannot mean that all ethnic Israelites are opposed to the gospel, for Paul himself is an ethnic Israelite. What he means is that as a corporate body, ethnic Israel is presently opposed to the Lord.
On the other hand, the same corporate Israel is on account of election "beloved for the sake of their forefathers" (v. 28). God continues to love the collective whole of ethnic Israel because of His promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Our Creator will never "abhor [the Jews] so as to destroy them utterly and break [His] covenant" that He made with them (Lev. 26:44).
This is not a promise to save each and every person of Jewish descent, for "not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel" (Rom. 9:6). It is a pledge that God will never cast off the Jews as a whole. He will save them so that we can speak of the salvation of Israel even if not every single Jew who has ever lived will be saved. John Calvin comments that Paul "speaks not now of the election of individuals, but of the common adoption= of the whole nation, which might seem for a time, according to the outward appearance, to have failed, but had not been cut up by the roots." God has a calling for ethnic Israel as a whole, and He will not go back on His word (v. 29
https://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/gods-irrevocable-gifts-and-calling
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