Who is a Jew?

[oyster67]

so you disagree when Paul says ALL of Israel will be saved?

This does not include unbelievers of any nationality, whether they be Jew or Greek or Geek.

 

[RichGladden]

that's ENOCH and then Jude.

which Old Testament Jew knew this other than from Enoch?

Do you have a clear understanding of the office of a prophet? They repeat what God puts in their mouth and obeys what He has them do. Do you not think God could put those words there? Really!

 

[oyster67]

even though they followed Yahweh and obeyed His command to sacrifice

Very good. I am relieved to see that you acknowleged this critical point. Those who did not honour God will not be counted as spiritual Israel.

 

[RichGladden]

Well where did they go?

 

[oyster67]

so they are not saved?

Jesus told them they must be born again. He told them who He was and gave them many signs and wonders to provide proof of His deity. Some believed, some did not, and some of the worst hate-mongers demanded His crucifixion. Hopefully they asked forgiveness later, but if they did not, they will be standing before the Great White Throne with the Gentile unbelievers.

 

[RichGladden]

Jesus told them they must be born again. He told them who He was and gave them many signs and wonders to provide proof of His deity. Some believed, some did not, and some of the worst hate-mongers demanded His crucifixion. Hopefully they asked forgiveness later, but if they did not, they will be standing before the Great White Throne with the Gentile unbelievers.

Yes, and I don't understand how the likes of little me, can understand it and yet those claiming to know more fail to see it. I just can't get that. It is like God placed the blindness and heart hardening on them as well. By by the grace of God.........

 

[oyster67]

God set it up didn't He so it would point the right way.
so the jews were saved then!

John 3:14
“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:”

Those that neglected to look upon that brass serpent perished.

 

[oyster67]

you hate jews just admit and i will stop debating!

I'm kind of surprised that you didn't throw that low blow 3 pages ago.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I shall humbly confess that the salvational state of Jews who died thousands of years ago is beyond the scope of my ministry, but I do recall Jesus telling a certain Jew named Nicodemus that he must be born again.

Amen!

and when did I ever say i disagree with that?

i just said Paul said ALL PEOPLE and the NATION of Israel will be saved. how that can be misconstrued is beyond me.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I know which is why I included that, because earlier you claimed they quoted from the gnostic text of the book of Enoch which is not a Biblical source.

if Jesus, Peter, Paul, Jude, and John quote Enoch, it does not have to be a Biblical source voted by MEN, it only has to be a truthful source and why they quote it.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I am a Jew by birth, but raised as a Christian. So how can I hate my own people? Again those unclean fingers point. Have you no control?

same here, but i have reread your answers and if you were God and this was Judgement Day, you would not only send the Jews to Hell but do it with a smile.

 

[oyster67]

i just said Paul said ALL PEOPLE and the NATION of Israel will be saved.

That is quite a mouthful. Are you sure you don't want to redact that?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

John 3:14
“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:”

Those that neglected to look upon that brass serpent perished.

but they weren't the Generation chosen to reject Christ. and if ALL Israel does not mean ALL Israel will be Saved, then what does it mean?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

That is quite a mouthful. Are you sure you don't want to redact that?

here's the People of Israel:
1 I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be!

here's the Nation of Israel:
25 For I do not want you, brothers and sisters, to be ignorant of this mystery—lest you be wise in your own eyes —that a partial hardening has come upon Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
26 and in this way all Israel will be saved,

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Do you have a clear understanding of the office of a prophet? They repeat what God puts in their mouth and obeys what He has them do. Do you not think God could put those words there? Really!

where did I question the Office of a Prophet at?

 

[oyster67]

but they weren't the Generation chosen to reject Christ. and if ALL Israel does not mean ALL Israel will be Saved, then what does it mean?

So tell me what you believe then.

Do you think all Jews are predestined to go to Heaven, or just those of the Jesus generation?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Jesus told them they must be born again. He told them who He was and gave them many signs and wonders to provide proof of His deity. Some believed, some did not, and some of the worst hate-mongers demanded His crucifixion. Hopefully they asked forgiveness later, but if they did not, they will be standing before the Great White Throne with the Gentile unbelievers.

so to you, even though Paul said the jews were hardened (good example is Pharaoh), you don't think being hardened by God no matter the Signs and Wonders (like Pharaoh) would change their mind? it didn't change Pharaoh's mind. he still tried to kill the Hebrews.

 

[oyster67]

so to you, even though Paul said the jews were hardened (good example is Pharaoh), you don't think being hardened by God no matter the Signs and Wonders (like Pharaoh) would change their mind? it didn't change Pharaoh's mind. he still tried to kill the Hebrews.

I suppose you shall be trying to put Pharoah in Heaven as well?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

So tell me what you believe then.

Do you think all Jews are predestined to go to Heaven, or just those of the Jesus generation?

here's the same Greek text Jerome used in 350 AD.

Romans 11:
1 I say, then, Did God cast away his people? It can not be; for I am an Israelite, of the posterity of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God did not cast away his people whom he foreknew.

that's rather clear in my opinion.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I suppose you shall be trying to put Pharoah in Heaven as well?

no, Pharaoh was not God's Chosen People.