Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation
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Unlike you, I DO answer questions. Unfortunately, due to our rather large communication GAP, you may have tried to ask a quesiton, but I wasn't able to understand what you wrote. Try again.
Really, I'm getting tired of your time quesitons. There is NO time limit. Or, since you think their is, FIND a verse and share please.
You just do NOT want to believe what Jesus said. That is solely your problem.
Instead of that, you need to go to the Bible and BELIEVE what Jesus said about belieivng in Him. That person is given eternal life and shall never perish. And NO conditions on that believer. Period.
All biblical truth is good news.
Yes, but Her 10:29-31 will apply to that person.
29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[a] and again, “The Lord will judge his people.”
31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
I can assure you on the Word of God that such a person won't get away with it.
Instead of your weird fixation on what others might do, why don't you just believe what Jesus said and praise God for your security in Him.
Why worry about anyone else anyway?
Really, I'm getting tired of your time quesitons. There is NO time limit. Or, since you think their is, FIND a verse and share please.
You just do NOT want to believe what Jesus said. That is solely your problem.
Instead of that, you need to go to the Bible and BELIEVE what Jesus said about belieivng in Him. That person is given eternal life and shall never perish. And NO conditions on that believer. Period.
All biblical truth is good news.
Yes, but Her 10:29-31 will apply to that person.
29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[a] and again, “The Lord will judge his people.”
31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
I can assure you on the Word of God that such a person won't get away with it.
Instead of your weird fixation on what others might do, why don't you just believe what Jesus said and praise God for your security in Him.
Why worry about anyone else anyway?
You are getting inconsistence i ask you is that only need a second to believe than no more believe for the rest of your life consider save? You seem to afraid to answered, you may start doubted about if your doctrine biblical
if to be save need only a second then deny, than Jesus not say narrow is the gate to heaven
if to be save need only a second then deny, than Jesus not say narrow is the gate to heaven
FreeGrace2 said:
Really, I'm getting tired of your time quesitons. There is NO time limit. Or, since you think their is, FIND a verse and share please.
OK, not I'm getting tired of your failure to read carefully what I post. As to your silly comment about me being afraid to answer, I ANSWERED it in my reply above. It is the second sentence. "There is NO time limit".
Please stop trying to make Jesus contradict Himself. He was clear and you don't like what He said. It's that simple.
Your hypotheticals are ridiculous. No one would hear the gospel, believe it, and then in a very short time deny Him as Savior. No one.
Jesus told us why some people will believe for a while, and then fall away from their faith. It's all about conditions around the believer.
Luke 8:13 - Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away.
Really, I'm getting tired of your time quesitons. There is NO time limit. Or, since you think their is, FIND a verse and share please.
OK, not I'm getting tired of your failure to read carefully what I post. As to your silly comment about me being afraid to answer, I ANSWERED it in my reply above. It is the second sentence. "There is NO time limit".
Please stop trying to make Jesus contradict Himself. He was clear and you don't like what He said. It's that simple.
Your hypotheticals are ridiculous. No one would hear the gospel, believe it, and then in a very short time deny Him as Savior. No one.
Jesus told us why some people will believe for a while, and then fall away from their faith. It's all about conditions around the believer.
Luke 8:13 - Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away.
Of course not. So why do YOU keep trying to force Him to, by how you twist verses around to suit your fancy.
This is what Jesus said: "some who believe for a while and then, when testing comes, fall away".
Did Jesus say the man believed? Yes
Did Jesus say that He gives eternal life to believers? Yes
Did Jesus give eternal life to that believer? Yes
This is what Jesus said: "some who believe for a while and then, when testing comes, fall away".
Did Jesus say the man believed? Yes
Did Jesus say that He gives eternal life to believers? Yes
Did Jesus give eternal life to that believer? Yes
I don’t think believer than stop believe still mean believer
example Muslim convert for Christ, we call it new believer
than he lose his job, house etc
than he back to Muslim for easier life
do you still call him believer?
no
only believer save, sorry he lose his salvation in exchange for better temporary life
example Muslim convert for Christ, we call it new believer
than he lose his job, house etc
than he back to Muslim for easier life
do you still call him believer?
no
only believer save, sorry he lose his salvation in exchange for better temporary life
No offense, but it really doesn't matter what you think or what words you use. What matters is what the Bible says about those who have believed. Ever.
Can you show me any example in the Bible of a person who left the faith and was described as lost? no.
This is your own presumption. It's not found in the Bible.
Do you know who will be condemned, according to the Bible? There are verses that plainly say who will be condemned?
So, do you know who will be?
Can you show me any example in the Bible of a person who left the faith and was described as lost? no.
This is your own presumption. It's not found in the Bible.
Do you know who will be condemned, according to the Bible? There are verses that plainly say who will be condemned?
So, do you know who will be?
When Jesus talk to human, He use a language that man can understand
in normal human language
believer mean one who believe
unbeliever mean one that not believer
believe for a month than no more believe mean unbeliever
only believer save mean unbeliever include was believer but not anymore is not save
in normal human language
believer mean one who believe
unbeliever mean one that not believer
believe for a month than no more believe mean unbeliever
only believer save mean unbeliever include was believer but not anymore is not save
This is what I asked you:
Do you know who will be condemned, according to the Bible? There are verses that plainly say who will be condemned?
So, do you know who will be?
OK, so you demonstrate that you really don't know what the Bible says about who will be condemned.
I asked you about WHO WILL BE CONDEMNED, and you give me stuff about being a believer or not. Which I didn't ask.
So, I'll tell you anyway.
john 3:18 - Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
2 Thess 2:12 - and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
These verses tell us exactly who will be condemned. Those who "have not believed". The phrase is in both verses.
Do you know and are you able to accept what that phrase means. To say about someone that they "have not believed" doesn't mean they used to believe. It means they NEVER believed.
Exampe from everyday life.
If you have never eaten spinach, could anyone say that you used to eat spinach? No. it would be a lie.
Luke 8:13 can it be said that the second soil "has not believed"? No. Because he DID believe at one time.
Any time a person believes, establishes that they HAVE believed, even if they no longer believer. Fo such a person, because they DID believe, they won't be condemned.
So, from the 2 verses, we KNOW that former believers WILL NOT BE CONDEMNED. SO SAYS THE WORD OF GOD.
Do you know who will be condemned, according to the Bible? There are verses that plainly say who will be condemned?
So, do you know who will be?
OK, so you demonstrate that you really don't know what the Bible says about who will be condemned.
I asked you about WHO WILL BE CONDEMNED, and you give me stuff about being a believer or not. Which I didn't ask.
So, I'll tell you anyway.
john 3:18 - Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
2 Thess 2:12 - and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
These verses tell us exactly who will be condemned. Those who "have not believed". The phrase is in both verses.
Do you know and are you able to accept what that phrase means. To say about someone that they "have not believed" doesn't mean they used to believe. It means they NEVER believed.
Exampe from everyday life.
If you have never eaten spinach, could anyone say that you used to eat spinach? No. it would be a lie.
Luke 8:13 can it be said that the second soil "has not believed"? No. Because he DID believe at one time.
Any time a person believes, establishes that they HAVE believed, even if they no longer believer. Fo such a person, because they DID believe, they won't be condemned.
So, from the 2 verses, we KNOW that former believers WILL NOT BE CONDEMNED. SO SAYS THE WORD OF GOD.
I haven't paid any attention to the thread because the OP is just absurd. If anyone makes a statement about what the majority of Americans believe, my initial reaction is: where are the data? Has the person really polled the majority of Americans? I doubt it!
It always has the flavor of "I am right and everyone else is wrong. I have special knowledge and/or wisdom." It is always self-delusion!
It always has the flavor of "I am right and everyone else is wrong. I have special knowledge and/or wisdom." It is always self-delusion!
Read them again, and again, and again, and again, until the REAL ANSWER sinks in.
What you don't comprehend is that when a person believes, he CHANGES FOREVER.
1. He becomes a new creature. 2 Cor 5:17
2. He is saved. Eph 2:8
3. He is regenerated. Eph 2:5
4. He is justified. Rom 5:1
5. He is forgiven. Acts 10:43
6. He is sealed with the Holy Spirit, who is a deposit that GUARANTEES THEIR INHERITANCE FOR THE DAY OF REDEMPTION Eph 1:14
7. He is a child of God. John 1:12, Gal 3;26
8. He possesses eternal life. John 5:24
Does the army permanently change a person? yes or no. I say no. So when they leave, they leave unchanged.
Salvation is totally DIFFERENT. When a person believes, all the 8 things in the list above occur. And NONE of them are revokable.
Or prove to me that ANY of the things on the list above are shown to be taken away in God's Word.
Your question reveals your very shallow view of Christianity. It seems you have a very limited knowledge of what occurs when a person believes in Christ. I cited verses that prove every point in the list. I suggest you look each of them up. You need to KNOW these things.
Spirit growth DEPENDS on learning biblical doctrine.
What you don't comprehend is that when a person believes, he CHANGES FOREVER.
1. He becomes a new creature. 2 Cor 5:17
2. He is saved. Eph 2:8
3. He is regenerated. Eph 2:5
4. He is justified. Rom 5:1
5. He is forgiven. Acts 10:43
6. He is sealed with the Holy Spirit, who is a deposit that GUARANTEES THEIR INHERITANCE FOR THE DAY OF REDEMPTION Eph 1:14
7. He is a child of God. John 1:12, Gal 3;26
8. He possesses eternal life. John 5:24
Does the army permanently change a person? yes or no. I say no. So when they leave, they leave unchanged.
Salvation is totally DIFFERENT. When a person believes, all the 8 things in the list above occur. And NONE of them are revokable.
Or prove to me that ANY of the things on the list above are shown to be taken away in God's Word.
Your question reveals your very shallow view of Christianity. It seems you have a very limited knowledge of what occurs when a person believes in Christ. I cited verses that prove every point in the list. I suggest you look each of them up. You need to KNOW these things.
Spirit growth DEPENDS on learning biblical doctrine.
arthurfleminger said:
I am confident that many will be saved who never believed in Jesus.
On what basis do you make this claim?
I am confident that many will be saved who never believed in Jesus.
On what basis do you make this claim?
FreeGrace2 said:
Read them again, and again, and again, and again, until the REAL ANSWER sinks in.
What you don't comprehend is that when a person believes, he CHANGES FOREVER.
1. He becomes a new creature. 2 Cor 5:17
2. He is saved. Eph 2:8
3. He is regenerated. Eph 2:5
4. He is justified. Rom 5:1
5. He is forgiven. Acts 10:43
6. He is sealed with the Holy Spirit, who is a deposit that GUARANTEES THEIR INHERITANCE FOR THE DAY OF REDEMPTION Eph 1:14
7. He is a child of God. John 1:12, Gal 3;26
8. He possesses eternal life. John 5:24
Only IF you can provide clear verses that address each item. And I know you can't do that. So your claim is empty.
Do you understand metaphors? It is about seed that sprouted into a plant but withered from lack of water. Where do you get loss of salvation in this verse? Just an overactive imagination.
This verse doesn't even address any of the 8 subjects. Try again.
I not only remember it, I understand it. Unlike yourself.
I have given you 8 things that occur when a person believes. And you CANNOT show from Scripture that any of them can be removed.
But you will believe only what you want to believe.
Read them again, and again, and again, and again, until the REAL ANSWER sinks in.
What you don't comprehend is that when a person believes, he CHANGES FOREVER.
1. He becomes a new creature. 2 Cor 5:17
2. He is saved. Eph 2:8
3. He is regenerated. Eph 2:5
4. He is justified. Rom 5:1
5. He is forgiven. Acts 10:43
6. He is sealed with the Holy Spirit, who is a deposit that GUARANTEES THEIR INHERITANCE FOR THE DAY OF REDEMPTION Eph 1:14
7. He is a child of God. John 1:12, Gal 3;26
8. He possesses eternal life. John 5:24
Only IF you can provide clear verses that address each item. And I know you can't do that. So your claim is empty.
Do you understand metaphors? It is about seed that sprouted into a plant but withered from lack of water. Where do you get loss of salvation in this verse? Just an overactive imagination.
This verse doesn't even address any of the 8 subjects. Try again.
I not only remember it, I understand it. Unlike yourself.
I have given you 8 things that occur when a person believes. And you CANNOT show from Scripture that any of them can be removed.
But you will believe only what you want to believe.