Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation
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I am not good in English but after do some reading I convince that fellowship involve communication
faith also involve communication
faith in Noah case mean follow God instruction
God instructed Noah to build an ark and Noah did because he have faith or believe in God
people with faith also guide by Holy Spirit
Holy Spirit ask one do this and that and believer obey
say Holy Spirit want you love your neighbor but you refuse
no it’s not good
mean you have faith to yourself not to God
i know it’s not easy to deny ourself, and death for our flesh
we learn to do it
the point how you have faith without fellowship
seem impossible to me
it do not mean I am perfect, I am sinner and learn to have real faith
but we have to be honest about what Bible say about faith wether we able to do it or still learn to do
i still learn to obey but I try to honestly read John 15 and to me fire is hell
it scare me to death but I know I don’t have authority to change God word
faith also involve communication
faith in Noah case mean follow God instruction
God instructed Noah to build an ark and Noah did because he have faith or believe in God
people with faith also guide by Holy Spirit
Holy Spirit ask one do this and that and believer obey
say Holy Spirit want you love your neighbor but you refuse
no it’s not good
mean you have faith to yourself not to God
i know it’s not easy to deny ourself, and death for our flesh
we learn to do it
the point how you have faith without fellowship
seem impossible to me
it do not mean I am perfect, I am sinner and learn to have real faith
but we have to be honest about what Bible say about faith wether we able to do it or still learn to do
i still learn to obey but I try to honestly read John 15 and to me fire is hell
it scare me to death but I know I don’t have authority to change God word
It is easier for us if we can separate faith and deed
make me as a sinner easy go to heaven
but when I read in James, Jesus brother, he (James) say no
you can’t separate between faith and deed
if you have faith than you have Holy Spirit to be your boss
than there is interaction in between or fellowship
or you don’t trust Him anymore stop fellowship
i know for me it is not easy
talk is easier than do
seem, faith mean fellowship
how you do His instruction if you don’t have fellowship
make me as a sinner easy go to heaven
but when I read in James, Jesus brother, he (James) say no
you can’t separate between faith and deed
if you have faith than you have Holy Spirit to be your boss
than there is interaction in between or fellowship
or you don’t trust Him anymore stop fellowship
i know for me it is not easy
talk is easier than do
seem, faith mean fellowship
how you do His instruction if you don’t have fellowship
Don't you believe Jesus? Jesus called him a son of perdition. Do you know what that means? Jesus also said that it would be better for Judas if he had not been born. Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him. Of Judas, Jesus also said, "One of you is a devil." Judas was a thief who used to take what was put in the money box. Jesus also said, "And you disciples are clean, but not all of you.” For Jesus knew who would betray him. That is what he meant when he said, “Not all of you are clean.” That Judas was doomed to destruction means he never believed. I realize some people wrongly believe Judas' suicide was an act of repentance, but 2 Corinthians 7:10 says: Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.
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So you believe if you ever believe you never give up or if you ever believe than stop believe, do bad thing like rob the bank still go to heaven with less reward
matt 13
16 The seeds that fell on rocky ground are the people who gladly hear the message and accept it at once. 17 But they don't have roots, and they don't last very long. As soon as life gets hard or the message gets them in trouble, they give up.
gladly hear the message and accept it at once
is that mean once save ?
and never give up?
matt 13
16 The seeds that fell on rocky ground are the people who gladly hear the message and accept it at once. 17 But they don't have roots, and they don't last very long. As soon as life gets hard or the message gets them in trouble, they give up.
gladly hear the message and accept it at once
is that mean once save ?
and never give up?
I am not say I am able show my faith by my deed because my deed is far from faith
but I try to say what bible say
what James say seem we can’t separate faith from deed
also Matt 25 about sheep doing it seem the sheep show faith by deed
not very exhilarating news for a sinner like me, but about what sheep doing is the honest news from Jesus
We can not bargain with Jesus, please make easier for me, still go to heaven with less reward
jesus will say, no Jackson, I told you a head if you don’t believe, all can I say is depart from Me go into eternal fire or hell, not heaven with less reward
but I try to say what bible say
what James say seem we can’t separate faith from deed
also Matt 25 about sheep doing it seem the sheep show faith by deed
not very exhilarating news for a sinner like me, but about what sheep doing is the honest news from Jesus
We can not bargain with Jesus, please make easier for me, still go to heaven with less reward
jesus will say, no Jackson, I told you a head if you don’t believe, all can I say is depart from Me go into eternal fire or hell, not heaven with less reward
I think you are beyond hope here. I think you don't want to face and accept the security of our salvation as Jesus so very clearly stated in John 10:28.
You have misunderstood verses and therefore closed your mind to the truth that John 5:24 teaches that when a person becomes a believer, they possess eternal life, and John 10:28 teaches that possessors of eternal life shall never perish.
What ISN'T in either of these verses are conditions for possessors of eternal life to meet in order to not perish.
Right. "as far as YOU know..." This shows just how LITTLE you do know of the Bible. I'm not surprised at all.
You have demonstrated that you have no logic.
I've proven it from Scripture. So again, "as far as YOU know", right?
It can't be, or Jesus would have been lying in John 10:28. But because you have NO logic in your brain, you just can't figure that out.
You have misunderstood verses and therefore closed your mind to the truth that John 5:24 teaches that when a person becomes a believer, they possess eternal life, and John 10:28 teaches that possessors of eternal life shall never perish.
What ISN'T in either of these verses are conditions for possessors of eternal life to meet in order to not perish.
Right. "as far as YOU know..." This shows just how LITTLE you do know of the Bible. I'm not surprised at all.
You have demonstrated that you have no logic.
I've proven it from Scripture. So again, "as far as YOU know", right?
It can't be, or Jesus would have been lying in John 10:28. But because you have NO logic in your brain, you just can't figure that out.
That would be a very dumb thing to do. Rather, for ANY believer to BE happy, they need to understand what fellowship is.
Would you want to be in a marriage where there is NO fellowship ever? Would that make you happy?
No, the "fire" is God's judgment on the believer, not hell or heaven.
Seems you not only mangle verses, you manage to mangle what other posters say as well.
Well, may I remind you once again, from your own words, "as far as I know".
Now we know, it's not very far at all.
Anyway, think about being in a marriage where there is no fellowship at all. How happy do you think the couple would be?
Would you want to be in a marriage where there is NO fellowship ever? Would that make you happy?
No, the "fire" is God's judgment on the believer, not hell or heaven.
Seems you not only mangle verses, you manage to mangle what other posters say as well.
Well, may I remind you once again, from your own words, "as far as I know".
Now we know, it's not very far at all.
Anyway, think about being in a marriage where there is no fellowship at all. How happy do you think the couple would be?
Bingo! I don't know what have been reading, but you are correct. Now consider what King David wrote about sin:
Psa 66:18 - If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me:
This verse proves that communication with the Lord is stopped when believers sin. That is why we have 1 John 1:9. To restore fellowship through confession of our sin.
Believe the Bible. Paul wrote to believers (people with faith) to stop grieving the Spirit (Eph 4:30) and to stop quenching the Spirit (1 Thess 5:19).
How can any believer be guided by the Holy Spirit when they grieve/quench the Spirit? They can't.
The Holy Spirit doesn't ask anyone who is out of fellowship to do anything. Psa 66:18
I just explained it again.
If you have specific questions about any of my points, just ask. I would be happy to clarify.
Why do you think you "learn" to have faith? Where is that in the Bible? The Bible tells us to TRUST what God says. Do you trust God?
1 Pet 5:8 - Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
YOU are being devoured (deceived) by the devil. You need to TRUST what the Bible says, not what you have been deceived into believing it says.
Rather than being scared, just TRUST the words of Jesus in John 5;24 with 10:28. Then, and ONLY THEN, will you be able to defeat the devil's deception program he has put in your head.
Psa 66:18 - If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me:
This verse proves that communication with the Lord is stopped when believers sin. That is why we have 1 John 1:9. To restore fellowship through confession of our sin.
Believe the Bible. Paul wrote to believers (people with faith) to stop grieving the Spirit (Eph 4:30) and to stop quenching the Spirit (1 Thess 5:19).
How can any believer be guided by the Holy Spirit when they grieve/quench the Spirit? They can't.
The Holy Spirit doesn't ask anyone who is out of fellowship to do anything. Psa 66:18
I just explained it again.
If you have specific questions about any of my points, just ask. I would be happy to clarify.
Why do you think you "learn" to have faith? Where is that in the Bible? The Bible tells us to TRUST what God says. Do you trust God?
1 Pet 5:8 - Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
YOU are being devoured (deceived) by the devil. You need to TRUST what the Bible says, not what you have been deceived into believing it says.
Rather than being scared, just TRUST the words of Jesus in John 5;24 with 10:28. Then, and ONLY THEN, will you be able to defeat the devil's deception program he has put in your head.
Please answer your own question after reading the words of Jesus in john 10:28. You will get your answer.
Luke described it more clearly than Matt. Luke 8:13 -
And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away.
Luke described it more clearly than Matt. Luke 8:13 -
And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away.
Have you confessed your sins to God? That is a start. Then, have you prayed for the filling of the Holy Spirit? That is God's will for every believer. A command, in fact. Eph 5;18
Just remember what you posted earlier: "as far as I know". You still don't know what the Bible says.
It only "seems" that way because of the deception that the devil is playing with in your brain.
James 2:18 is real clear. Just remember that the end quote mark was misplaced. It goes at the end of the verse.
Yes, that was James' point.
You have been given all you need to know, but you remain deceived by the devil.
What rot! Jesus HAS SAID, "I give them (believers) eternal life, and they shall never perish".
Now, do YOU possess eternal life?
Just remember what you posted earlier: "as far as I know". You still don't know what the Bible says.
It only "seems" that way because of the deception that the devil is playing with in your brain.
James 2:18 is real clear. Just remember that the end quote mark was misplaced. It goes at the end of the verse.
Yes, that was James' point.
You have been given all you need to know, but you remain deceived by the devil.
What rot! Jesus HAS SAID, "I give them (believers) eternal life, and they shall never perish".
Now, do YOU possess eternal life?
Look like we have different understanding about what bible say I know you think it mean what you say
if you ever believe for example 1 hour than you never perish
I am not sure what you it mean
A believe an hour than no longer believe to the rest of your live, still go to heaven
B if you start believe you never stop believe to the end of your life
if you ever believe for example 1 hour than you never perish
I am not sure what you it mean
A believe an hour than no longer believe to the rest of your live, still go to heaven
B if you start believe you never stop believe to the end of your life
I believe sinner like me is selfish and impossible to show faith by deed
i know that is bad, and I am battle against my own selfishness
and Jesus in Matt 25 goat not go to heaven
the only way to win against my own selfishness is abide in Him or I Lose my salvation
Depart from Me because when you see I am hungry you not feed Me
this is heaven or hell
this is about salvation
i know that is bad, and I am battle against my own selfishness
and Jesus in Matt 25 goat not go to heaven
the only way to win against my own selfishness is abide in Him or I Lose my salvation
Depart from Me because when you see I am hungry you not feed Me
this is heaven or hell
this is about salvation
We sure do.
I believe what Jesus SAID. Recipients of eternal life shall never perish. And you don't believe Him. And you have no excuse.
I don't know what any of this non sentence means.
Just believe Jesus, and quit fantasizing about your silly "one hour faith".
No one does that. Jesus was clear about believers who fall away from their faith; due to trials, temptations, etc that they fail to properly handle. iow, when things get tough, they quit. Yet, there are NO verses in the Bible that contradict what Jesus said in Jn 10:28.
I asked you if you possess eternal life. Are you going to answer?
I believe what Jesus SAID. Recipients of eternal life shall never perish. And you don't believe Him. And you have no excuse.
I don't know what any of this non sentence means.
Just believe Jesus, and quit fantasizing about your silly "one hour faith".
No one does that. Jesus was clear about believers who fall away from their faith; due to trials, temptations, etc that they fail to properly handle. iow, when things get tough, they quit. Yet, there are NO verses in the Bible that contradict what Jesus said in Jn 10:28.
I asked you if you possess eternal life. Are you going to answer?
OK, got it. You admit to being a lousy person. So what?
If you are battling against yourself, you will LOSE to yourself.
I showed from context that goats are UNBELIEVERS. Are you an unbeliever?
If you have salvation, you POSSESS eternal life. Jesus SAID recipients of eternal life shall never perish. But you REJECT His words.
He was talking about unbelievers. Are you a believer?
You are just so confused.
You have no idea.
Do you read an English Bible or a Bible in your native tongue? If you have a Bible in your own native language, please read John 10:28 and translate it for me. I'd like to know what you understand from your own language. Shouldn't be too difficult.
If you are battling against yourself, you will LOSE to yourself.
I showed from context that goats are UNBELIEVERS. Are you an unbeliever?
If you have salvation, you POSSESS eternal life. Jesus SAID recipients of eternal life shall never perish. But you REJECT His words.
He was talking about unbelievers. Are you a believer?
You are just so confused.
You have no idea.
Do you read an English Bible or a Bible in your native tongue? If you have a Bible in your own native language, please read John 10:28 and translate it for me. I'd like to know what you understand from your own language. Shouldn't be too difficult.
you not answer my question
Say one from Muslim than turn to Christ how many hour you need to temporary believe and back to Muslim to have eternal salvation.
Go to youtube on testimony from ex Muslim, some lose his house, disown by family etc
your doctrine is god news for them, persecution come just back to Muslim
I just listen testimony a Muslim from ache Indonesia secretly accept Jesus, after some time people know because he have bible in his room
2 of his cousin come to his room and take his bible and he heard a lot of people out side
he manage to run by the help of Jesus but he bring his Mobil because he has a list of Christian minister on it he run to the jungle hide, he hear people say if we can find him we burn the jungle
he wait till the dark and call one of the pastor to rescue him
when the dark come people left hi alone time to move
your doctrine is good news
just deny and no body in town bother him anymore
anyway still save
Say one from Muslim than turn to Christ how many hour you need to temporary believe and back to Muslim to have eternal salvation.
Go to youtube on testimony from ex Muslim, some lose his house, disown by family etc
your doctrine is god news for them, persecution come just back to Muslim
I just listen testimony a Muslim from ache Indonesia secretly accept Jesus, after some time people know because he have bible in his room
2 of his cousin come to his room and take his bible and he heard a lot of people out side
he manage to run by the help of Jesus but he bring his Mobil because he has a list of Christian minister on it he run to the jungle hide, he hear people say if we can find him we burn the jungle
he wait till the dark and call one of the pastor to rescue him
when the dark come people left hi alone time to move
your doctrine is good news
just deny and no body in town bother him anymore
anyway still save