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I gotta interject here - and don't take this to mean I'm a flat earther, because I ain't - but the Bible DOES say something about everything being destroyed by fire.
Something about how we broke the world with sin, so God's gonna wipe it out and make a new one.
Don't get distracted. That doesn't have anything to do with literal pillars holding up a flat earth.
Something about how we broke the world with sin, so God's gonna wipe it out and make a new one.
Don't get distracted. That doesn't have anything to do with literal pillars holding up a flat earth.
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Yeah, this is correct (at least with respect to myself). The planets are probably the same thing as stars, but travel on a different path. The sun and moon are the greater lights God created in Genesis, so I give them a special class of their own.
I think this is best described as circular reasoning. You assume Earth is a planet (the word planet came from "wandering star"), you presume that that planets are ball-shaped masses, then you ask why "planet Earth" would be different from the other planets. The motion of Earth about the sun has never been scientifically detected. Real science would therefore conclude Earth is stationary, or at best, the motion of Earth is an unproven theory (heliocentric theory). If Earth is stationary, it is not a planet. If Earth is a planet, why doesn't it share other properties of planets, such as glowing with light?
I think this is best described as circular reasoning. You assume Earth is a planet (the word planet came from "wandering star"), you presume that that planets are ball-shaped masses, then you ask why "planet Earth" would be different from the other planets. The motion of Earth about the sun has never been scientifically detected. Real science would therefore conclude Earth is stationary, or at best, the motion of Earth is an unproven theory (heliocentric theory). If Earth is stationary, it is not a planet. If Earth is a planet, why doesn't it share other properties of planets, such as glowing with light?
Hmm, yes, well... Cultivate enough bioluminescent mycelia and we can fix that. 
That's where flat earth falls apart for me. There's just too much corroborating evidence that can be observed with a regular old telescope. The whole night sky spins, exactly as though we were on a ball spinning on its axis. Also the planets glow only on the side facing the sun. So does the moon, in fact. These facts can be observed by anybody, independent of any government agency.
Though I would not inflict this thread on a friend, I'd love to get Rod in here with his astronomy observations. He's real big on stargazing. He could tell you exactly what to look for in which direction with any telescope, or even with those new superzoom cameras.
That's where flat earth falls apart for me. There's just too much corroborating evidence that can be observed with a regular old telescope. The whole night sky spins, exactly as though we were on a ball spinning on its axis. Also the planets glow only on the side facing the sun. So does the moon, in fact. These facts can be observed by anybody, independent of any government agency.
Though I would not inflict this thread on a friend, I'd love to get Rod in here with his astronomy observations. He's real big on stargazing. He could tell you exactly what to look for in which direction with any telescope, or even with those new superzoom cameras.
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Hmm, yes, well... Cultivate enough bioluminescent mycelia and we can fix that.
That's where flat earth falls apart for me. There's just too much corroborating evidence that can be observed with a regular old telescope. The whole night sky spins, exactly as though we were on a ball spinning on its axis. Also the planets glow only on the side facing the sun. So does the moon, in fact. These facts can be observed by anybody, independent of any government agency.
Though I would not inflict this thread on a friend, I'd love to get Rod in here with his astronomy observations. He's real big on stargazing. He could tell you exactly what to look for in which direction with any telescope, or even with those new superzoom cameras.
That's where flat earth falls apart for me. There's just too much corroborating evidence that can be observed with a regular old telescope. The whole night sky spins, exactly as though we were on a ball spinning on its axis. Also the planets glow only on the side facing the sun. So does the moon, in fact. These facts can be observed by anybody, independent of any government agency.
Though I would not inflict this thread on a friend, I'd love to get Rod in here with his astronomy observations. He's real big on stargazing. He could tell you exactly what to look for in which direction with any telescope, or even with those new superzoom cameras.
Well who said it was a disc?
Quite a few places in the Bible the cosmology is discussed. As for the layout of the creation, Genesis 1. Waters above are heaven, then there is the earth and seas in the middle of creation where we live, and then under the earth is hell. You can also just deduce this off of a multitude of verses.
I have been told it is metaphorical by people that never read the Bible and do not believe anything in it. The biblical cosmology cannot just be a metaphor because it is written about too much and is too detailed and interconnected, and it is too integral to prophecies as well.
Quite a few places in the Bible the cosmology is discussed. As for the layout of the creation, Genesis 1. Waters above are heaven, then there is the earth and seas in the middle of creation where we live, and then under the earth is hell. You can also just deduce this off of a multitude of verses.
I have been told it is metaphorical by people that never read the Bible and do not believe anything in it. The biblical cosmology cannot just be a metaphor because it is written about too much and is too detailed and interconnected, and it is too integral to prophecies as well.
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Wait, you think earth is a cube? Or a flat square?
Lastly, while God inspired the Bible those to whom he was giving his inspiration and those whom would be receiving his words later were of a primitive mind.
They were not sophisticated in the sciences. A simple narrative allowed the people to understand their place in creation.
They also weren't well traveled. They didn't know all parts of the world as we do today. And clearly for God's purposes he wasn't going to inform them of that which they could not comprehend, nor would ever see.
This does not mean nor intend 21st century intellect to conform itself to bronze age consciousness.
Thank you for taking the time to explain your perspective.
https://thebiblestudy.co.uk/articles/bible-history-the-ages/
https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/earth-move-universe/
Lastly, while God inspired the Bible those to whom he was giving his inspiration and those whom would be receiving his words later were of a primitive mind.
They were not sophisticated in the sciences. A simple narrative allowed the people to understand their place in creation.
They also weren't well traveled. They didn't know all parts of the world as we do today. And clearly for God's purposes he wasn't going to inform them of that which they could not comprehend, nor would ever see.
This does not mean nor intend 21st century intellect to conform itself to bronze age consciousness.
Thank you for taking the time to explain your perspective.
https://thebiblestudy.co.uk/articles/bible-history-the-ages/
https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/earth-move-universe/
If we count the seas that are in the same level as the earth that is defined as the dry land, yes, it is reasonable without breaking the canon that the whole creation is something like that shape.
This is the great error of the modern generations full of unbelievers and liars thinking they are smarter than the men that wrote the Bible and knew the living God who actually created everything.
This is the great error of the modern generations full of unbelievers and liars thinking they are smarter than the men that wrote the Bible and knew the living God who actually created everything.
Your perspective is oddly contradictory.
I did not say the planetary bodies in our solar systems are balls.
You say planet means star.
But you think it's a fixed star. Stationary.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/planet#etymonline_v_16437
Then you ask why doesn't our star,earth planet, give off light. A star that doesn't eminate light?
Earth does give off light.It's called, Earth Light.
Using your theory, explain Eclipse's, moon phases, and sunrise and sunset.
I did not say the planetary bodies in our solar systems are balls.
You say planet means star.
But you think it's a fixed star. Stationary.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/planet#etymonline_v_16437
Then you ask why doesn't our star,earth planet, give off light. A star that doesn't eminate light?
Earth does give off light.It's called, Earth Light.
Using your theory, explain Eclipse's, moon phases, and sunrise and sunset.
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