Will American HIMARS missiles make the difference in Russia's War on Ukraine/Europe?

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The HIMARS weapons America supplied to Ukraine may just end up making the difference. According to the below, Russian defenses against them are not working as planned. From: https://eurasiantimes.com/400-missile-defense-system-crumbling-again-us-himars/

S-400 Killer? Ukraine Says Russia’s ‘Billion Dollar’ Defense System Crumbling Against US HIMARS
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By
Tanmay Kadam
July 15, 2022
A top Ukrainian official has claimed that Russia’s most advanced S-400 air defense system is unable to intercept rockets fired by the American-made M142 HIMARS multiple launch rocket system (MLRS).

Anton Gerashchenko, the Advisor to the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, said in a tweet on July 11 that Russian S-400 anti-aircraft defense systems cannot intercept HIMARS rockets.

Gerashchenko did not provide any specifics relating to the failure of the S-400 system against the HIMARS rockets. Still, he said, “Russian Armed Forces, their ammunition and fuel warehouses are unprotected from the power of American weapons.”

Gerashchenko possibly referred to the series of Ukrainian attacks in recent days on several Russian arms depots in Donetsk, Lysychansk, and Kherson, etc., using the HIMARS MLRS system provided by the US.

Anton Gerashchenko on Twitter: "Russian C400 anti-aircraft defense systems aren't able to intercept HIMARS rockets - which Almaz-Antey corporation promised and charged billions for.

Russian Armed Forces, their ammunition and fuel warehouses are completely unprotected from the power of American weapons."

Shortly before Gerashchenko made his claims, a Ukrainian portal reported that the S-400 could not shoot down a single HIMARS rocket either in Donbas, Zaporizhzhia, or Kherson regions.

Censor.NET reported that during an attack on a Russian military facility in Khartsyzk in Donetsk, a HIMARS rocket even destroyed the S-400 complex.

So far, there is no documented instance of the S-400 system deployed in Ukraine. In April, the Russian Defense Ministry claimed to have used its S-400 system to knock down a Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopter, 30 kilometers inside Ukraine’s Chernihiv region, close to the border with Russia.

S-400 firing a missile (via Twitter)
If true, the S-400 missile was most likely fired from within the Russian territory, as the operational missile range of the S-400 system is up to 400 kilometers, and the surveillance range is up to 600 kilometers.

Therefore, in the absence of any documented evidence of the S-400 system having been deployed or destroyed inside the Ukrainian territory, Gerashchenko’s claims could not be verified.

HIMARS Makes Pro-Kremlin Figures Nervous
Nevertheless, the HIMARS system has indeed come bearing gifts for Ukraine. In recent days Ukrainian forces have destroyed more than a dozen major Russian ammunition stockpiles and supplies using HIMARS rockets.

The effectiveness of HIMARS on the battlefield has made the pro-Kremlin figures so nervous that they have publicly voiced their concerns.

For example, a former commander of Russian separatist forces in eastern Ukraine, Igor Girkin, said on July 10 on the Telegram messaging app that “the Russian air defense systems, which relatively (very relatively) coped with attacks with the help of “Tochek-U” and “Uraganov” – turned out to be ineffective against massive strikes by Hymers (HIMARS) missiles.”

M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) – Wikimedia Commons

More than 20 Russian ammunition depots in the Donbas region and Ukraine’s south, including some of the largest, have come under Ukrainian attacks, with some destroyed, according to Illia Ponomarenko, the defense and security reporter at the Kyiv Independent.

This recent wave of Ukrainian attacks has made the Russian forces feel the crunch in terms of munitions fuelling Russia’s artillery dominance in Donbas until now.

A Russian military bogger Andrey Morozov, also known as ‘Murz,’ was cited by Ponomarenko as saying that Russian troops were facing growing “munitions hunger,” as the number of 122- and 152-millimeter rounds are depleting due to recent Ukrainian attacks.

Impressed By HIMARS Precision

There have also been some eyewitness accounts, such as from Roman Saponkov, another Russian military blogger who is embedded with frontline Russian forces and was present during a HIMARS strike on Chernobaevka, Kherson, on July 9, which made quite an impression on him.

“As it happened yesterday, I watched the HIMARS strike on Chernobaevka, Kherson, almost before our eyes. I have been under fire many times, but I was struck that the package, 5 or 6 missiles, landed almost into a penny. Usually, MLRS fall over large areas and at maximum distance scatter in a fan-like manner,” Saponkov said on July 10 in a Telegram post.​

“It is clear that this is just the beginning. They will hammer on Kherson and other border towns. Belgorod in particular. They will cover all checkpoints and military facilities, data on which have been collected over the past four months,” Saponkov continued.

However, as of now, the US has forbidden Ukraine to use HIMARS for strikes inside Russia; therefore, it is unlikely that HIMARS rockets would soon rain in on Belgorod.

So far, Ukraine has received eight HIMARS units, with four more expected to arrive in the country by the end of July.​
 

p_rehbein

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Regarding the question posed in the Title of the OP:

No.
 

ZNP

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Regarding the question posed in the Title of the OP:

No.
I disagree, Russia views these attacks as coming directly from the US so we are now at war with Russia.
 

Nehemiah6

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I disagree, Russia views these attacks as coming directly from the US so we are now at war with Russia.
Exactly. This was a proxy war of the USA from the get-go (with no goal other than to aggravate Putin). But no matter how many billions are poured into Ukraine, and how many missiles and military equipment are provided, Ukraine has lost this war. And the Ukrainians have suffered unnecessarily because of Biden and his gang of thugs.

Joseph Biden wanted this war very badly so that attention from his disastrous (and fraudulent) presidency would be deflected to Russia and Putin. So he began to blame Putin for all his disasters, assuming that Americans were too stupid to notice. And the Woke military also wanted this war badly to deflect attention from its treasonous debacle in Afghanistan.

Could this war have been totally avoided? Absolutely. Ukraine, NATO, and all the nations to the West and south of Russia had eight years (since the invasion of Crimea) to develop and implement a sound defense strategy for countries which could be threatened by Russia. Had a solid defense strategy been in place. Putin would not have dared to go up against 15-20 nations. For example, Finland and Sweden chose at this late date to join NATO. Why did they not do that right after Crimea? And why have all the NATO countries been allowed to escape their responsibility to support NATO? And why has Turkey been made into a NATO ally?

The bottom line is that NATO has not taken itself seriously since the fall of the Soviet Union, and the internal issues within Ukraine have never been properly resolved. In the meantime Vladimir Putin has raped his country's wealth (along with his oligarch buddies) and now all he wants is a little "fun" at the expense of the Ukrainians. But Ukraine brought this disaster on itself by failing to clean house and set up a proper defense shield along with its neighbors.
 

Dude653

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Exactly. This was a proxy war of the USA from the get-go (with no goal other than to aggravate Putin). But no matter how many billions are poured into Ukraine, and how many missiles and military equipment are provided, Ukraine has lost this war. And the Ukrainians have suffered unnecessarily because of Biden and his gang of thugs.

Joseph Biden wanted this war very badly so that attention from his disastrous (and fraudulent) presidency would be deflected to Russia and Putin. So he began to blame Putin for all his disasters, assuming that Americans were too stupid to notice. And the Woke military also wanted this war badly to deflect attention from its treasonous debacle in Afghanistan.

Could this war have been totally avoided? Absolutely. Ukraine, NATO, and all the nations to the West and south of Russia had eight years (since the invasion of Crimea) to develop and implement a sound defense strategy for countries which could be threatened by Russia. Had a solid defense strategy been in place. Putin would not have dared to go up against 15-20 nations. For example, Finland and Sweden chose at this late date to join NATO. Why did they not do that right after Crimea? And why have all the NATO countries been allowed to escape their responsibility to support NATO? And why has Turkey been made into a NATO ally?

The bottom line is that NATO has not taken itself seriously since the fall of the Soviet Union, and the internal issues within Ukraine have never been properly resolved. In the meantime Vladimir Putin has raped his country's wealth (along with his oligarch buddies) and now all he wants is a little "fun" at the expense of the Ukrainians. But Ukraine brought this disaster on itself by failing to clean house and set up a proper defense shield along with its neighbors.
leaving Afghanistan wasn't treason by any stretch of the imagination
 

Nehemiah6

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leaving Afghanistan wasn't treason by any stretch of the imagination
Handing over billions worth of materiel to the enemy is treason. It is called aiding and abetting the enemy.

Politico is a Leftist source and here is what they published: "In brokering the surrender of entire Afghan army divisions over the past week, the Taliban took control of billions worth of American-made weapons and equipment, including small arms, Humvees, pickup trucks, aircraft and drones."
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/19/us-weapons-seized-taliban-506313

Handing over billions in cash to enemy Iran by Obama and Biden was also treason. But none of the traitors have been punished.
 

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I believe the war in Ukraine is a scare tactic and they want to cause people to be scared that a possible nuclear war could happen between Russia and America that would affect the world.

Controlled conflict brings about controlled change.

After WW1 they set up League of Nations to try to get the nations to cooperate with each other for peace.

After WW2 they set up United Nations to try to get the nations to cooperate with each other for peace.

I believe they are wanting to go to a one world government now and will use the scare tactic of nuclear war to scare the world to want to come together as one to try to work for peace on earth.

The world is motivated by self exaltation and will not get along with each other because of that because they want to exalt themselves above other people and want power and control.

But they will be willing to put aside their arrogance and pushing for power if there is chaos that is affecting them and they have to incorporate the help of other people for the survival and prosperity of their nation and people.

An example is 911 in America where the flags went up on vehicles and they were being patriotic with the goal that they have a common enemy to contend with but as soon as the threat is over for a while and things back to normal the flags come down and the middle finger goes back up and they are fighting with each other because of arrogance and self exaltation.

The world is arrogant and self exalting to want to come together but chaos will cause them to come together which is why they use chaos to try to get them together.

The New Age movement causes the world to rebel against God which they interpret the Bible according to the occult and evolution and people are still evolving to be spiritual and godlike and believe they are doing the will of nature to have peace and harmony on earth.

But they do not believe the New Age Christ will hep them to evolve and have peace until the nations come together as one to work for peace on earth so that is what they are working on.

They do not believe in a personal God but they believe they are still evolving which is why they teach evolution in school.

The one world government will be a balance between democracy and communism and the one world religious system will be a balance between atheism and spirituality.

America and Russia are actually working together and Republican and Democrat are actually working together to present both sides and then they will harmonize them together and bring the people together.

Controlled conflict brings about controlled change and North Korea and America are probably working together as well as America and China.

They have a new perspective on reality and they want to establish that reality in the world believing they are doing the will of nature.

I believe the Ukraine war is the beginning to scare the world to come together and they want as one world government now and to produce the New Age Christ so they can evolve and have peace on earth.
 

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Handing over billions worth of materiel to the enemy is treason. It is called aiding and abetting the enemy.

Politico is a Leftist source and here is what they published: "In brokering the surrender of entire Afghan army divisions over the past week, the Taliban took control of billions worth of American-made weapons and equipment, including small arms, Humvees, pickup trucks, aircraft and drones."
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/19/us-weapons-seized-taliban-506313

Handing over billions in cash to enemy Iran by Obama and Biden was also treason. But none of the traitors have been punished.

and they won't be, they know that, so they keep doing it.
 

iamsoandso

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good way to track an army...
 
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I wish America would stay out of it altogether.

Liberals in power love war. It makes their owners richer. And widows and orphans out of those who have to do the fighting.

In days of old the king led his army into battle.

If presidents were made to do that today there would be no wars.
 

ZNP

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I wish America would stay out of it altogether.

Liberals in power love war. It makes their owners richer. And widows and orphans out of those who have to do the fighting.

In days of old the king led his army into battle.

If presidents were made to do that today there would be no wars.
Too late.

Time to stop wishing and start praying. We are in it. NYC released a PSA on what to do in the event of a nuclear attack. Major shopping malls are putting up PSA posters explaining what to do in the event of a nuclear attack based on a directive from the Federal government. Meanwhile Russia is holding drills on what to do in a nuclear attack.
 
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Too late.

Time to stop wishing and start praying. We are in it. NYC released a PSA on what to do in the event of a nuclear attack. Major shopping malls are putting up PSA posters explaining what to do in the event of a nuclear attack based on a directive from the Federal government. Meanwhile Russia is holding drills on what to do in a nuclear attack.
Russian military are already in Nicaragua thanks to their government opening the country in June for Russian military 'drills'.

Yes we're in it to a point but we can always get out.

If our government can sign a non-aggression treaty with Germany during WW2, we can leave Ukraine with the defensive weapons support they've already received and pull out.

And then fortify our southern border and airspace and let the bear come to us. If he dares.

Don't divide our defenses by sending our troops to fight in new countries.
Protect our homeland.

It's all saber rattling and politics. All the leaders know what nuclear war would mean. While inducing fear in the clueless masses is a weapon in its own right.

''Be not afraid.''

If something happens it's all part of the collectives plan.
Great reset? One world order? If the world is thrown into chaos?