Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation
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There is just one. Acts 16:31 - "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved."
Wrong logic. The will of God that none perish is His permissive will, or His permission for humans to resist it
The Bible is very clear that salvation is NOT BY WORKS. Eph 2:8,9 and Rom 4:4,5
Right. And it is NOT a work. No effort required.
Wrong logic. The will of God that none perish is His permissive will, or His permission for humans to resist it
The Bible is very clear that salvation is NOT BY WORKS. Eph 2:8,9 and Rom 4:4,5
Right. And it is NOT a work. No effort required.
Again, John 10:28 says "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish"
Now, did Jesus say that recipients of eternal life shall never perish? yes or no
If "no", then what did He mean?
This is NO answer at all. Neither a yes or no, and NO explanation of what you think Jesus did mean.
This is why trying to have a discussion with you is worthless. You aren't even trying.
Your response insinuates that one verse can "trump" another verse. That is worse than goofy.
All verses are of equal value. No verse trumps another verse.
Your response insinuates that Matat 24:13 has pre-eminence over John 10:28. In fact, John 10:28 proves that Matt 24:13 CANNOT be referring to soul salvation.
Now, did Jesus say that recipients of eternal life shall never perish? yes or no
If "no", then what did He mean?
This is NO answer at all. Neither a yes or no, and NO explanation of what you think Jesus did mean.
This is why trying to have a discussion with you is worthless. You aren't even trying.
Your response insinuates that one verse can "trump" another verse. That is worse than goofy.
All verses are of equal value. No verse trumps another verse.
Your response insinuates that Matat 24:13 has pre-eminence over John 10:28. In fact, John 10:28 proves that Matt 24:13 CANNOT be referring to soul salvation.
But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
(Ephesians 2:4-10)
(Ephesians 2:4-10)
care to tell me more about your theory that salvation being through the mercy of God by faith, not by the works or merit of men, is only found in Romans . . . ?
notice how there is only one, singular, gospel?
that the same was preached first to the Jews and then to the Gentiles?
I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”
(Romans 1:16-17)
notice that it is 'the just shall live by faith' -- not by the merit of their works? (Romans 1:16-17)
that it is revealed from faith to faith, not from works to works?
is my affirmation of this reason to accuse me of wickedness?
but that's what you've done.
you say of me, you are 'warning the wicked' -- tacitly calling me wicked.
on what basis are you calling me wicked? what wickedness do you presume is evidenced by me proclaiming the richness of God's grace in His salvation offered to us through Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the LORD enfleshed, who came in the flesh, who died, who rose, who ascended and who will come again to gather us to Himself?
here in America we have the right to confront our accuser.
do tell . . ?
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Words...nothing but words.
Yours can not change my mind, and mine can not change yours.
Jesus called Wise, those who do what he tells them to do.
Do you know why they are called," Wise?"
Because that is the only way you will know the Truth.
For example....
If I tell you, put Cayenne Pepper paste...on a sprained ankle, and within an hour you will be walking without pain. How will you know if what I say is the truth, unless you do what I say?
Sounds foolish, according to what you know. But how will you know if it's foolishness?
And if you do what I say...and it actually works...You will not only become wiser, but you are more likely to listen to what I say about other things. Planting a seed of faith.
Same thing applies to the Gospel of Jesus Christ...which we must do in order to learn the Truth.
Words...nothing but words.
Yours can not change my mind, and mine can not change yours.
Jesus called Wise, those who do what he tells them to do.
Do you know why they are called," Wise?"
Because that is the only way you will know the Truth.
For example....
If I tell you, put Cayenne Pepper paste...on a sprained ankle, and within an hour you will be walking without pain. How will you know if what I say is the truth, unless you do what I say?
Sounds foolish, according to what you know. But how will you know if it's foolishness?
And if you do what I say...and it actually works...You will not only become wiser, but you are more likely to listen to what I say about other things. Planting a seed of faith.
Same thing applies to the Gospel of Jesus Christ...which we must do in order to learn the Truth.
God have so many way to explain His will
in Noah time God tell Noah about the coming float
Noah believe because God never lie
than Noah take action, build giant arch
in this case He saved from float by faith
so in Noah story, faith mean work to build an arch
can God do extra miracle ?
for example he Noah don’t need to build an arch but God give Him a strength to swimming for 6 months
without eat so do all the animal and their family
God can do anything if He want but He chose to do the way it was.
why?
I don’t know
may be, He want to give us message I do my big part but you have to obey Me do your part
I inform you about the coming float, now your turn to obey Me build a giant arch for your salvation
Noah obey and save from drown
Now in Matt 25 Jesus inform us about the coming judgement
He will divide people into 2 category sheep and goat
sheeps are people that have Jesus in their heart so they did agape love by helping the needy
human can’t produce agape love of itself
jesus is the producer, believer bear it to the needy
from out side look like believer help the needy
but jesus did from inside
than Jesus welcome the sheep and say your are welcome into my kingdom because you feed Me when I was hungry etc
goat do vice versa and go to eternal fire
in our case how we know Jesus in or not by evaluating our heart
if you see hungry person in front do you have little compassion by share your food or don’t care
may be a good idea to ask Jesus deliver us from our greed
jesus never lie, he will judge like what He say in Matt 25
build your arch in our case by let Jesus in and He will led you do help the needy
you can’t do by yourself no body can do agaphe love
jesus do it and you bear it out, if you let Jesus in
in Noah time God tell Noah about the coming float
Noah believe because God never lie
than Noah take action, build giant arch
in this case He saved from float by faith
so in Noah story, faith mean work to build an arch
can God do extra miracle ?
for example he Noah don’t need to build an arch but God give Him a strength to swimming for 6 months
without eat so do all the animal and their family
God can do anything if He want but He chose to do the way it was.
why?
I don’t know
may be, He want to give us message I do my big part but you have to obey Me do your part
I inform you about the coming float, now your turn to obey Me build a giant arch for your salvation
Noah obey and save from drown
Now in Matt 25 Jesus inform us about the coming judgement
He will divide people into 2 category sheep and goat
sheeps are people that have Jesus in their heart so they did agape love by helping the needy
human can’t produce agape love of itself
jesus is the producer, believer bear it to the needy
from out side look like believer help the needy
but jesus did from inside
than Jesus welcome the sheep and say your are welcome into my kingdom because you feed Me when I was hungry etc
goat do vice versa and go to eternal fire
in our case how we know Jesus in or not by evaluating our heart
if you see hungry person in front do you have little compassion by share your food or don’t care
may be a good idea to ask Jesus deliver us from our greed
jesus never lie, he will judge like what He say in Matt 25
build your arch in our case by let Jesus in and He will led you do help the needy
you can’t do by yourself no body can do agaphe love
jesus do it and you bear it out, if you let Jesus in
Have you been born of God...or are you a sinner?
The labor of the righteous tendeth to life, the fruit of the wicked to sin. (Proverbs 10:16)
God sees you as wicked, not me.
And in the verse you quoted, is he talking about the Law of Moses? If so, show me.
He is talking about the Law of Christ. And I teach the same thing. I did not save myself by my works.
I was saved because my Works of Righteousness were pleasing to God. And because I pleased God, he chose me....Furthermore then, we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received from us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more. (1 (Thessalonians 4:1)
Be back tomorrow morning, if you want another go around.
The labor of the righteous tendeth to life, the fruit of the wicked to sin. (Proverbs 10:16)
God sees you as wicked, not me.
And in the verse you quoted, is he talking about the Law of Moses? If so, show me.
He is talking about the Law of Christ. And I teach the same thing. I did not save myself by my works.
I was saved because my Works of Righteousness were pleasing to God. And because I pleased God, he chose me....Furthermore then, we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received from us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more. (1 (Thessalonians 4:1)
Be back tomorrow morning, if you want another go around.
In fact, Noah was saved from the FLOOD by floating over the flood waters.
No, faith means to trust what God says (including Jn 10:28) and obeying His commands.
There is no reason to focus on the "what IF's...". We need to focus on the "what IS".
In your sentence above, "salvation" is ONLY in reference to physical deliverance from the FLOOD.
Not soul salvation, which is going to heaven. If you think building the ark resulted in Noah entering heaven after death, you are sadly mistaken.
Which has no relevance to our soul salvation.
v.46 explains the whole context. "the righteous" are believers. Based NOT on what they did to others, but based on what they believed regarding God's promise of heaven.
They were saved by grace through faith, not of works.
No, faith means to trust what God says (including Jn 10:28) and obeying His commands.
There is no reason to focus on the "what IF's...". We need to focus on the "what IS".
In your sentence above, "salvation" is ONLY in reference to physical deliverance from the FLOOD.
Not soul salvation, which is going to heaven. If you think building the ark resulted in Noah entering heaven after death, you are sadly mistaken.
Which has no relevance to our soul salvation.
v.46 explains the whole context. "the righteous" are believers. Based NOT on what they did to others, but based on what they believed regarding God's promise of heaven.
They were saved by grace through faith, not of works.
what is a car
car is tire
no car have tire but tire is not a car
car is an ebgine
no car have an engine but engine not a car
car is a packet consist of tire, engine, body etc
save by faith, what is faith
in Noah case his faith manifest or show off or translate into hard work to build an ark, thank to sister magenta to correct my spelling I am Indonesian that have different way of spelling
in Stephen case his faith show off in his endurance not deny Jesus to death
was he save by his endurance?
big no, he save by faith but his faith produce endurance to death
it is lie if you have faith but not obey
it is lie for Noah to say have faith but not obey to build an ark
yes save by faith not fake faith, real faith produce agaphe love detail by Jesus in Matt 25 as what sheep did to the needy
car is tire
no car have tire but tire is not a car
car is an ebgine
no car have an engine but engine not a car
car is a packet consist of tire, engine, body etc
save by faith, what is faith
in Noah case his faith manifest or show off or translate into hard work to build an ark, thank to sister magenta to correct my spelling I am Indonesian that have different way of spelling
in Stephen case his faith show off in his endurance not deny Jesus to death
was he save by his endurance?
big no, he save by faith but his faith produce endurance to death
it is lie if you have faith but not obey
it is lie for Noah to say have faith but not obey to build an ark
yes save by faith not fake faith, real faith produce agaphe love detail by Jesus in Matt 25 as what sheep did to the needy