Changing Phases Of The Economic Crash

[Vindicator]

Greetings All!

Been awhile since I paid this community a visit, so thought I would bounce in and post a few things that might be of benefit to some. The following is one of my more recent observations concerning the economy and the market.
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In 2007, John Paul Jackson prophesied that the economies of the world would crash, but it will not be characterized by a single economic phenomenon but by several. As he stated in The Coming Perfect Storm, prophesying specifically to America:

A bubble of hope is going to come to this nation (fulfilled from 2016 - 2020), but it will be short-lived. And in that span, there's going to be just enough time for godly people to make the necessary adjustments. However, it will not be a time to take on additional debt. Commercial paper and credit card debt is another domino that will fall... as joblessness increases and buildings lay empty. I saw malls that were more than half empty, and stores that were closed... We had a financial planner ask the other day, 'Will it be stagflation, or deflation, or inflation, or hyper-inflation?' And I had to look at him and tell him, 'It's going to be all of these. They are all waves on a quickly-changing economic sea, and what has worked in the past will only work for a brief period of time in this changing economic era.' (The Coming Perfect Storm, 19:27 - 20:44)

This indeed appears to be the case now, for it's well on its way. The following video lays out why the current inflationary cycle we're in is going to eventually give way to a deflationary crash. Inflation will come down, but only when people can no longer buy goods at such high prices, and once consumer spending is no longer able to keep the markets moving, the only option will be for companies to lower their prices, even though they will take big hits in doing so. Once this happens, the only way most of them will be able to compensate is by laying off workers to stay viable, and this in turn will lead to even less consumer spending, which will further speed the deflationary crash.

The end result will then likely be stagflation, though it is still too early to tell when that fully sets in, and possibly not until all excess money has been drained out of the system. I should add that it is not all bad news, however. As the following video points out, those who can manage to stay out of debt and save some money will be in a position to buy goods at much cheaper prices in the coming years.

 

[Vindicator]

This indeed appears to be the case now, for it's well on its way. The following video lays out why the current inflationary cycle we're in is going to eventually give way to a deflationary crash. Inflation will come down, but only when people can no longer buy goods at such high prices, and once consumer spending is no longer able to keep the markets moving, the only option will be for companies to lower their prices, even though they will take big hits in doing so. Once this happens, the only way most of them will be able to compensate is by laying off workers to stay viable, and this in turn will lead to even less consumer spending, which will further speed the deflationary crash.

The end result will then likely be stagflation, though it is still too early to tell when that fully sets in, and possibly not until all excess money has been drained out of the system. I should add that it is not all bad news, however. As the following video points out, those who can manage to stay out of debt and save some money will be in a position to buy goods at much cheaper prices in the coming years.

Let me also include here another prophecy from about two decades ago that discussed the same things, but gave the answer particularly where Christians were concerned. Regardless of whether we build up savings or not, the principle thing will be to avoid going into debt. It will be a type of enslavement that cripples those tempted to succumb to it.

This was put forward in an extended dream entitled Field Of Dreams Or Nightmares:

While praying about the future of our economy, I was given a vision of a long, lush green field. I felt that this represented a long period of economic prosperity, which has generally been the case since that time. While praying in August 1995, I saw this field in a vision again, but with much more detail. The end of the field was covered in fog. Not far into the fog there was a very steep cliff. In the middle of the cliff, there was a narrow, twisting, steep path that appeared like a descending bridge. It had the same green grass on it that the field did and went all the way to the bottom.

Those who walked into the fog almost all missed the little path and fell over the cliff. Some of these died, but nets below the cliffs caught many of them. However, these nets were not there to save the people but to trap them. Others entered the fog carefully, dropping to their knees and searching for the path, which they seemed to intuitively know was there. Most of those looking for the path were able to find it and carefully started down on their knees. A few people had parachutes, and they jumped off the cliff into the fog.

At the bottom there was a sea with four kinds of ships in the harbor: slave ships, warships, luxury liners, and hospital ships. Most of the ships were slavers. The next greatest number was warships. There were only five hospital ships, all of which were on clean, well-kept docks right in the middle of the harbor. The two luxury liners were docked at each end of the harbor. An abundance of supplies were on their docks, but both the docks and ships looked filthy and poorly maintained. No warships were docked, but all kept moving about in the harbor.

The people who fell into the nets were put on the slave ships. Most of those who made it down the steep paths headed for the hospital ships, but many did head for the luxury liners. Of those who headed for the luxury liners, some were captured and made to board a slave ship.

The luxury liners were closely guarded, and obviously under the control of the warships. The warships occasionally took people from the slave ships and luxury liners, and they were taking whoever they wanted—they could not be resisted.

Those from the hospital ships were also taking people from the other ships. However, they only took the weakest or those who were so sick or wounded and not expected to live.

The crewmen of the hospital ships were shown respect because they wore brilliant armor that seemed to confound everyone else. Those who were jumping off the cliff with the parachutes were all landing on the hospital ships or their docks.

When a slave ship would fill up it would depart, making frequent turns as if it knew where it was going. The warships were also making so many turns that it seemed impossible to tell which way they would go next. Any ship that happened to be in the way of a warship when it turned was blasted and sunk by the warship. If the warships turned toward each other, they started shooting at each other until one was sunk.

Because of the fog, many ships collided with other ships and sank. The water was filled with sharks that quickly devoured those who fell into it. The confusion, despair, and fear over the harbor were as thick as the fog. When the fog thickened, these fears would intensify. When the fog would thin a little, hope would begin to rise in the people. When the fog lifted enough so that the open sea could be seen, the ships would begin heading for it.

The hospital ships were also the only ones who seemed to be sailing as if they knew where they were going. They could sail right through the chaos in the harbor and into the open sea at will. One or two of them were constantly going out to sea, disappearing for a time, and then they would return. Then another would go and do the same.

As I followed one of these ships to the open sea in the vision, all of a sudden it was as if I was standing on the bridge of the ship. The farther out we went, the more the sky cleared. Soon it became bluer than I had ever seen it, except when flying in a high altitude jet. I was so intrigued by the sky that I had not been watching the sea. When I looked back at it, I saw that we were actually flying at a very high altitude.

I thought that we were going out into space, but soon we descended toward what appeared to be a whole new world. It was composed of islands, each with a different culture of people on it. The wounded on our hospital ship were placed on several of the different islands, so that each wounded person was placed with those from his or her own culture.

These islands were at perfect peace, and there were beautiful white bridges connecting them to one another, with a constant flow of people on the bridges. On each island vast foundations were being laid for a great city.

Even though each island was very different, and different from any place that I had ever seen, I felt immediately at home on each one. They were each like paradise, and though they seemed to be on a different world, I knew that they were somehow very close to the one I had just left.

Interpretations provided
in the next post...

 

[Vindicator]

Interpretation and Insights

That I can now see the end of this field indicates that the end of our economic prosperity is now in sight. What I saw at the end was much more catastrophic than I had ever thought. There are some very dark times ahead, but at the same time there is a whole new world being built right in our midst that is more wonderful than we can even imagine.

To the degree that we have built our lives and faith on the economy of the world, we have built on a very shaky foundation. We know that the time will come when everything that can be shaken will be. The time that we have been given until that happens is for the purpose of preparation. Let us build our hope and trust on the kingdom that alone cannot be shaken.

Those who kept walking into the fog just as they had been walking in the open field, not discerning or not acknowledging the change, either perished or fell into slavery. Those who immediately fell to their knees found a safe way down, but it still led down. They had to stay on their knees all the way; no one could have stood up on that slope because it was too steep and narrow. Falling to our knees speaks of prayer. As soon as we see the fog, or confusion, we must pray for every step we take thereafter.

That no one ascended, but all went down to the bottom of the cliff, spoke to me that the economy of the whole world was going down. Many will survive what is coming, but not at the level they are presently. Much of our present standard of living has been built upon credit, borrowing from the future, and the future is now here. We are fast approaching the time when the bills will have to be paid. That will cause a drastic reduction of our present lifestyles.

I felt that the slave ships were banks. During the Great Depression, banks were so over extended that most of them failed. Somehow, they have now positioned themselves to not only survive another economic collapse, but will actually be in a place to enslave those who are in debt to them.

The warships were all different sizes, and I felt represented different powers. Their efforts were not coordinated, but they all seemed to be in as much confusion as everyone else, and all seemed to be at war with one another. They lived by plundering the other ships and each other. I believe that in the times ahead, small wars will be flashing up almost everywhere and without apparent reason. Anyone who gets in the way of those with some power will be in trouble.

The luxury ships were so filthy that it seemed only slightly better to be on one of them instead of a slave or warship. It was obvious that the luxury of the future will not be as we know it today. Also, the luxury ships were constantly being plundered by the warships, making them almost an intolerable place to be. Even a hint of luxury in the future may only serve to make us targets.

I knew that the hospital ships were the church. They were glistening white with red crosses on them. They were so bright and clean that they stood out dramatically in this vision. White speaks of purity, and the red crosses spoke to me that they were bearing the cross. Red is also the color of sacrifice. These ships were so beautiful that anyone would have wanted to be on them. The church will become the most desirable place in the world to be, and the church will become the pure vessel she is called to be when she takes up the cross, committing herself to the life of sacrifice. In the times ahead, the life of sacrifice and service to others will be the most desirable life in the world and will actually be a glorious place to dwell.

The people on the hospital ships each wore brilliant, silver armor. They, too, stood out dramatically whenever they appeared, and this caused everyone to show them great respect, even the warships. This spoke to me that when believers learn to wear their armor, they will command the whole world's respect and have authority because of it.

The docks of the hospital ships were also spotless and were overflowing with supplies. There was far more wealth on them than on the luxury ships, but the wealth was being used for service, not luxury. Because the individuals with the armor and the hospital ships commanded such respect, no one was trying to plunder their great stocks of supplies, even though they were obvious to everyone.

When a hospital ship pulled between two warships that were fighting, they would stop fighting and give them their wounded. It seemed that this was one of the primary purposes of these ships, to simply stop the fighting whenever they could.

In the midst of the chaos of this place, the dignity, resolve, and purpose that the Christians and their ships moved with was stunning. The greatest feeling came over me when I stood on the bridge of the ship leaving for the open sea. That feeling was freedom. As soon as we entered the open sea, we ascended into the heavenly places. Once out of the fog, we did not travel on the earth. When we came back down, it was to a seemingly new earth, even though I knew somehow that it was right in the middle of what I had left.

That I entered this extraordinary freedom on a hospital ship speaks of finding our true peace when we take up our crosses to serve others. When we do this, we will begin to dwell in the heavenly places. Then we will see the earth very differently—we will see what God is doing. I really felt that those paradise islands were already right in our midst, but we just could not see them yet.

At the very time when the world descends into a terrible chaos, which will probably begin with economic chaos, God is building bridges between people that will be the foundation of a glorious future. The end of this age is the beginning of the one over which Christ will reign. In Revelation 17:15we are told that, “The waters which you saw where the harlot sits, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues.” The sea often represents mass humanity in prophetic language. That the sea at the bottom of the cliff was in the most terrible chaos represents what the kingdoms of this world are headed for. The islands represent that the Lord is also laying a foundation for His kingdom right in our midst at this same time. That I knew these islands were close to the sea of confusion spoke to me that what the Lord is about to build on the earth is also very close at hand.

The bridges are right now being built between people. The bridges were for interchange, and it was obvious to me that each island was building something wonderful, as if it were the very best from their culture in order to share it with the other islands. That new foundations were being laid for cities represented a whole new beginning for the earth. What is now being built for the Lord, for the sake of His kingdom, will remain and be a foundation for the age to come.
A Field of Dreams or Nightmares?

 

[joecoten]

The Harvest 2?
The perfect storm...is from the Lord. He can be trusted...He knows what He's doing!

 

[shittim]

Glad you are here Joe, you too have good input for these times.

 

[joecoten]

There are stormy seas ahead, but clinging to the Lord will get one through.

 

[shittim]

And we who are His will wear well together with Him.

 

[Vindicator]

The Harvest 2?
The perfect storm...is from the Lord. He can be trusted...He knows what He's doing!

Thanks for the responses.

I take a different position on prophecy than many do these days. One of the arguments that is often raised about prophets is that if they are truly of the Lord they will be 100% errant in everything they say, but I find this view flawed. Paul compared interpreting visions and dreams to seeing through a glass darkly, which means it was no easy business, and sometimes even true prophets of the Lord can miss on some of the finer points of the symbolism, and what it meant in specific terms. What you WILL find, however, is a pattern of accuracy, and that's what you get with John Paul Jackson. He would sometimes admit, "I don't know what this part means but this is what I saw." That's how things actually work.

Anyway, there are other threads I can post on that teaching at a later time that are also coming to pass, and some already have. He was dead on about Hosni Mubarak and what happened in Egypt. The Islamic Brotherhood stepped in and things got much darker in that country back in 2011.

But yes, with qualification, The Coming Perfect Storm was indeed a message from the Lord, and those now listening are well ahead of the game as far as what's coming; to the world and especially in the United States.

 

[Karol]

I am a bible girl and there is plenty in there that talks about economic confusion. Head to Revelation 18 and look at what it says about the merchants and what will happen when Babylon falls. I am pretty sure Babylon refers to a system of government, religious and economic corruption that exists and I am inclined to think we might be sitting in it right now. So if the house of cards falls (looks like that is happening now) then the merchants of the earth will suffer.

Rev 18:15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

The bible also talks about the problems of being in debt and I think that is a good warning to all of us to get out of debt if we can. These are good biblical principles for any time in history.

 

[Vindicator]

I am a bible girl and there is plenty in there that talks about economic confusion. Head to Revelation 18 and look at what it says about the merchants and what will happen when Babylon falls. I am pretty sure Babylon refers to a system of government, religious and economic corruption that exists and I am inclined to think we might be sitting in it right now. So if the house of cards falls (looks like that is happening now) then the merchants of the earth will suffer.

Rev 18:15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

The bible also talks about the problems of being in debt and I think that is a good warning to all of us to get out of debt if we can. These are good biblical principles for any time in history.

Hello, Karol, and thanks for replying.

About Revelation 18, many think that has to do with literal destruction, such as through a nuclear attack or something, because Babylon is completely destroyed "in one hour."

But the Bible definitely talks about the dangers of being in debt, and that the borrower is a servant to the lender. And I believe the banks have set things up to where they will keep things that way in perpetuity if possible, unlike with the system the Jews used where debts were cancelled out every 50 years at the Jubilee.

So the second most certainly applies, and in a very big way. Jesus Himself taught that we cannot serve both God and Mammon, and that's not just about trying to become rich. One can be dirt poor and still serving money every day just because they are trying to keep themselves afloat while swimming in a sea of debt. And that's a truly terrible way to live, IMO.

God bless, and thank you again for the comment.
- V

 

[Karol]

Yes, thanks Vindicator. I have wondered about that too. I think time will tell and I won't put myself up as any great expert. I've looked at a few prophecies that I think are closely aligned to the bible and there are different ideas out there. The one hour could be a literal one hour or a prophetic one hour - which would be fifteen days if you use the 'a day for a year' principle so I will be watching to see which fits in. I was reading David Wilkerson of The cross and the switchblade fame and he had a vision where he saw Europe collapse and then Sth America and then the USA and the rest of the world and that would fit into the day of the year principle. He said he saw it take approx 2 weeks for it all to happen so that piqued my interest as it would fit into the one hour prophecy. Whichever way, I think we know it is coming so we have to be ready spiritually with the holy spirit so we can move through it and follow God's advice on keeping out of debt and trusting God to provide all our needs.

 

[JTB]

There are stormy seas ahead, but clinging to the Lord will get one through.

Actually, the Bible repeatedly warns that God's people will be led away from His truths by false prophets, and that many will turn away from Him because they are not prepared for what's coming. So many will THINK they are clinging to the Lord, while they are really being drawn away by deception and omission.

We can see this happening right now by how many so-called christians are lining up behind the godless republican agenda.

The left deceives the world

The right deceives believers.

One must be EXTRA careful to cling to the cross and not the elephant.

 

[shittim]

Few who claim to be "Christian" truly are, Jesus spoke of this in how many would hold to an outward form of godliness and deny the power, whereas His Own would do greater works than He.