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The talmud is nothing but lies. Burn it with fire and read the Holy Bible instead.
 
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If I may ask, what is the goal of you posting this? What point do you want to bring across?
 

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https://archive.org/stream/jstor-27900266/27900266_djvu.txt

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AND A HERALD PRECEDES HIM etc. This implies, only immediately before [the execution], but not previous thereto.33 [In contradiction to this] it was taught: On the eve of the Passover Yeshu34 was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, 'He is going forth to be stoned because he has practised sorcery and enticed Israel to apostacy. Any one who can say anything in his favour, let him come forward and plead on his behalf.' But since nothing was brought forward in his favour he was hanged on the eve of the Passover!35 — Ulla retorted: 'Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defence

could be made? Was he not a Mesith [enticer], concerning whom Scripture says, Neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him?36 With Yeshu however it was different, for he was connected with the government [or royalty, i.e., influential].'"
http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_43.html

http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_43.html
 

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https://www.jstor.org/stable/27900266#metadata_info_tab_contents

This scathing attack on the Christian claim of parthenogenesis may well explain the use of the strange name Panthera/Pantera/Pandera/Pantiri in most of its variations6 for Miriam’s lover and Jesus’ real father (in Greek as well as in rabbinic sources). The last derivation among all the possibilities that Maier discusses, and that he finds “captivating at first glance” but nevertheless dismisses,7 is the assumption of an intentional distortion of parthenos (“virgin”) to pantheros (“panther”).”
― Peter Schäfer, Jesus in the Talmud"
https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/251462-jesus-in-the-talmud

https://archive.org/stream/jstor-27900266/27900266_djvu.txt

"In addition, tractate Sota was composed around the fifth century AD, "
https://www.oneforisrael.org/bible-based-teaching-from-israel/the-talmud-shoots-itself-in-the-foot/
 

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If I may ask, what is the goal of you posting this? What point do you want to bring across?
Someone asked in another thread wanted to know the truth about the Talmud. The anti-Christian, anti-Jesus passages where written into it in the late third and fourth centuries.
 
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Someone asked in another thread wanted to know the truth about the Talmud. The anti-Christian, anti-Jesus passages where written into it in the late third and fourth centuries.
Thanks for that bit of info. and all of this thread. This latter addition doesn't excuse the earlier Talmud, since it was noted by Jesus himself that the word "Corbin" was one of the "traditions of men" which the Pharisees were using to ignore Moses.
 

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Thanks for that bit of info. and all of this thread. This latter addition doesn't excuse the earlier Talmud, since it was noted by Jesus himself that the word "Corbin" was one of the "traditions of men" which the Pharisees were using to ignore Moses.
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Bible Dictionaries - Easton's Bible Dictionary - Corban

Corban [N]

a Hebrew word adopted into the Greek of the New Testament and left untranslated. It occurs only once ( Mark 7:11 ). It means a gift or offering consecrated to God. Anything over which this word was once pronounced was irrevocably dedicated to the temple. Land, however, so dedicated might be redeemed before the year of jubilee ( Leviticus 27:16-24 ). Our Lord condemns the Pharisees for their false doctrine, inasmuch as by their traditions they had destroyed the commandment which requires children to honour their father and mother, teaching them to find excuse from helping their parents by the device of pronouncing "Corban" over their goods, thus reserving them to their own selfish use."

https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/corban/



Mark 7

Expanded Bible

The Things that Truly Please God

7 When some Pharisees and some ·teachers of the law [scribes] came from Jerusalem, they gathered around Jesus. 2 They saw that some of Jesus’ ·followers [disciples] ate food with hands that were not clean, that is, they hadn’t [ceremonially] washed them. 3 ([For] The Pharisees and all the Jews never eat before washing their hands ·in the way required [L with a fist; C the meaning of the idiom is uncertain; it could mean “with a handful of water,” “with cupped hand,” “up to the wrist” or something else] by ·their unwritten laws [L the traditions of the elders]. 4 ·And when they buy something in the market, they never eat it [or, And when they come from the market (where they might have touched something “unclean”), they do not eat] until they wash themselves in a special way. They also ·follow [hold fast to; observe] many other ·unwritten laws [traditions], such as the washing of cups, pitchers, and pots.[a])



5 The Pharisees and the ·teachers of the law [scribes] asked Jesus, “Why don’t your ·followers [disciples] ·obey [walk according to] the ·unwritten laws which have been handed down to us [traditions of the elders]? Why do they eat their food with hands that are ·not clean [defiled]?”



6 Jesus answered, “Isaiah was right when he ·spoke [prophesied] about you hypocrites. ·He wrote [As it is written],



‘These people show honor to me with ·words [L their lips],

but their hearts are far from me.

7 Their worship of me is ·worthless [futile; in vain].

The things they teach are nothing but human ·rules [commandments; Is. 29:13].’



8 You ·have stopped following [neglected; abandoned] the commands of God, and you ·follow [hold on to] only human ·teachings [traditions].”



9 Then Jesus said to them, “You ·cleverly ignore [are very good at ignoring/despising] the commands of God so you can follow your own ·teachings [tradition]. 10 [For] Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’ [Ex. 20:12; Deut. 5:16], and ‘Anyone who ·says cruel things to [speaks evil of; curses] his father or mother must be put to death’ [Ex. 21:17; Lev. 20:9]. 11 But you say a person can tell his father or mother, ‘I have something I could use to help you, but it is Corban—a gift to God.’ [C Corban is a Hebrew term meaning dedicated or set aside to God.] 12 You no longer let that person ·use that money [do anything] for his father or his mother. 13 By your own ·rules [tradition], which you ·teach people [have handed down], you are ·rejecting [nullifying; canceling] what God said. And you do many things like that.”



14 After Jesus called the crowd to him again, he said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand what I am saying. 15 There is nothing people put into their bodies that ·makes them unclean [pollutes/defiles them]. [But rather] People are ·made unclean [polluted; defiled] by the things that come out of them. |16 ·Let those with ears use them and listen [see 4:23].|”[c]



17 When Jesus left the ·people [crowd] and went into the house, his ·followers [disciples] asked him about this ·story [parable; see 3:23]. 18 Jesus said, “·Do you still not understand [Are you so dull]? ·Surely you know [L Don’t you know…?] that nothing that enters someone from the outside can make that person ·unclean [polluted; defiled]. 19 [Because] It does not go into the ·mind [heart], but into the stomach. Then it goes ·out of the body [L into the sewer/latrine].” ·(When Jesus said this, he meant that no longer was any food unclean for people to eat.) [or, (In this way, Jesus cleansed all food.)]



20 And Jesus said, “The things that come out of people are the things that make them ·unclean [defiled]. 21 ·All these evil things begin inside people, in the mind [L For from within, out of human hearts, come]: evil ·thoughts [intentions; ideas], sexual sins, stealing, murder, adultery, 22 greed, ·evil actions [wickedness], ·lying [deceit], ·doing sinful things [indecency; lust; lewdness], ·jealousy [envy; L evil eye], ·speaking evil of others [slander; blasphemy], pride, and foolish living. 23 All these evil things come from inside and make people ·unclean [defiled].”
 

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The Talmud does teach that Jesus's Father was a Roman.
a "friendly" FYI

coming here and teaching "another Gospel" than that of the Gospel of Jesus is a serious violation of the Rules of Christian Chat......might wanna keep that in mind
 

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The Talmud has never been recognized as inspired by Christians.. And clearly it isn't..
 

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.... and I thought that teachings that were NOT Christian were forbidden on this forum.

What's next? Meaningful quotes from the Quran?