Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation

[Jackson123]

That's exactly right brother!!
Don't know who Robert Bellarmine is, but I teach the same thing about faith. I'm a KJV advocate, but I do use other translations, that translate into a modern verbiage, as long as they don't change the meaning of the Text. Instead of dead faith, I prefer the translation of Worthless Faith.
If faith without Works has no value, how can it save you?
How can Salvation be a reward, if it had no value?
God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
(Romans 2:6-7)

Reconciliation...thats what identifies the False doctrines, the lack there of. And any doctrine that teaches against what Jesus taught, is by definition.... a teaching from the Antichrist. For it is opposed to the foundational teachings of Jesus taught. As well meaning as they were, these men who started all these organizations we call church...were wrong.

Folks, I appeal to your logic.
If a sinner is someone who breaks the Law of God, doesn't it seem logical, that a righteous man is one who keeps the Laws of God?
It's a battle folks, a battle of Good against Evil.

The Holy Bible is a wonderful book, but that's all it is..a book, if you are not guided by the Holy Spirit.
It would have been nice, if Jesus had gifted us with a book, an instruction manual on what we must do to be saved. But he didn't, he gave us the Holy Spirit to be our guide.
Why didn't God leave us with a BooK?
Look at all the false doctrines which have come from the Bible....Look at all the translations in our own languages. If I only had a book, I would be just as lost as many of you are now.

Go to God, confess your sins, if you have received the Holy Spirit, follow him!!
How?
Paul refers to a Godly conscience, and everyone knows what a conscience is,....right?
The Holy Spirit, guides the sinner by using their conscience.
Your conscience, makes you feel guilty.....when you do Evil.
If we are born into sin, this conscience is obviously against our nature. And since we are not yet born of God, this conscience....is obviously from God.

Remember...Unconfessed sin is Unforgiven sin, and Sin separates you from Gods light. (Isaiah 59:2)
If you want to stay in the light, in tuned with the Holy Spirit, please confess your sin before God when you sin. Else you will fall right back into the darkness, a life without conscience.
Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorrowful, but that your sorrow led to repentance. For ye were made sorrowful in a godly manner, that ye might receive injury from us in nothing.
(2 Corinthians 7:9)

Galatians 5
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Hmm
Interesting comversation

Faith wich work by love

So it is need to have love, to make faith work

No love faith not wor, mean nothing

1 cor 13
13.And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Charity ( love in action) is greater then faith?

 

[FreeGrace2]

So no love as describe in Matt 25 mean no faith

No body able to do agape love as in Matt 25

Only Jesus, jesus dwell in us mean faith

No Jesus no fruit > hell, not heaven with less diamond

People try to twisted it so fit with they doctrine it is posible to have faith without abide to jesus

Than create unbiblical doctrine not base on the Bible but base of what is easy to go to heaven
Gas a sinner I like to hear that
But this sinner know it is useless to lie to myself
His will be done, my will nothing
I wish go to heaven without carry the cross
Just wish, but never happen
According to Jesus no agape love mean hell

All this is nonsense and quite unbiblical.

Hmm Jesus contradict Himself

No, you contradict the Bible.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Haven't you ever read Rev 20:11-15? The ONLY REASON people will be asst into the lake of fire is because their names are not in the Book of Life. That means they NEVER received the gift of eternal life, which is received on the basis of believing in Christ, NOT on "helping the poor". That is nothing less than a heretical works based salvation.

Haven't you read Matt 25.

Rather, why didn't you read my post AND Rev 20:11-15?

You think Matt 25 contradict rev 20?

Rather, I KNOW that you contradict the Bible.

The reason people go to hell is don't believe yes

That is the ONLY REASON.

And in Matt 25 Jesus say not helping poor go to hell

See? You are contradicting yourself. In the US, we call that "talking out of both sides of your mouth." Or saying totally opposed ideas.


You agree that people go to hell for not believing. Then you use Matt 25 and claim Jesus said that not helping the poor, which is WORK, causes people to go to hell.

You are severely contradicted and conflicted.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Let me tell,you my exoerience

You may think I am a liar, it's ok but I tell true stoty

Some years ago I have a dream

OK, that's enough. Dreams do not make doctrine nor affirm them. They are meaningless.

So, let's move on to more biblical evidence that refutes your insecure faith nonsense, since you won't honestly face John 5:24 and 10:28.

2 Cor 1:22 - set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
2 Cor 5:5 - Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

Hm. Both verses end with the exact same words, "guaranteeing what is to come". And both verses base this guarantee on the Holy Spirit as a DEPOSIT.

So, what does all this mean? What is guaranteed, and how does one receive this deposit?

Well, glad you asked. Paul explained all this in Eph 1:13,14

13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

I've color coded these verses to help follow and understand all that Paul meant.

The red words teach that on the basis of believing in Christ the believer is "included IN Christ". This is called "positional truth". Every believer shares in all that Christ has because every believer is IN Christ.

The blue words teach that on the basis of believing in Christ, God marks the believer with a SEAL, which is the promised Holy Spirit. This is when the indwelling of the Holy Spirit begins; at the moment of faith in Christ.

The green words teach eternal security because the believer's inheritance (as a child of God per John 1:12 and Gal 3:26) is GUARANTEED.

And then the purple words gives Paul's explanation WHEN that GUARANTEED INHERITANCE is realized; until the redemption of those who are God's possession.

So, just who are "God's possession"? Those who have been MARKED in him with a seal.

IOW, those who have the indwelling Holy Spirit, which is on the basis of faith in Christ, ARE God's possession.

And the believer's inheritance is GUARANTEED.

If you can show me that anything in this post is inaccurate, please do. However, please DON'T bother using other verses or passages, since we all know how badly you mess them up.

Just deal with these 2 verses, the color coding and the words. If you can find errors, then point them out.

 

[Jackson123]

FreeGrace2 said:
Haven't you ever read Rev 20:11-15? The ONLY REASON people will be asst into the lake of fire is because their names are not in the Book of Life. That means they NEVER received the gift of eternal life, which is received on the basis of believing in Christ, NOT on "helping the poor". That is nothing less than a heretical works based salvation.

Rather, why didn't you read my post AND Rev 20:11-15?


Rather, I KNOW that you contradict the Bible.


That is the ONLY REASON.


See? You are contradicting yourself. In the US, we call that "talking out of both sides of your mouth." Or saying totally opposed ideas.


You agree that people go to hell for not believing. Then you use Matt 25 and claim Jesus said that not helping the poor, which is WORK, causes people to go to hell.

You are severely contradicted and conflicted.

I am done with your nonsense and heresy un biblical teaching

 

[Jackson123]

OK, that's enough. Dreams do not make doctrine nor affirm them. They are meaningless.

So, let's move on to more biblical evidence that refutes your insecure faith nonsense, since you won't honestly face John 5:24 and 10:28.

2 Cor 1:22 - set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
2 Cor 5:5 - Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

Hm. Both verses end with the exact same words, "guaranteeing what is to come". And both verses base this guarantee on the Holy Spirit as a DEPOSIT.

So, what does all this mean? What is guaranteed, and how does one receive this deposit?

Well, glad you asked. Paul explained all this in Eph 1:13,14

13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

I've color coded these verses to help follow and understand all that Paul meant.

The red words teach that on the basis of believing in Christ the believer is "included IN Christ". This is called "positional truth". Every believer shares in all that Christ has because every believer is IN Christ.

The blue words teach that on the basis of believing in Christ, God marks the believer with a SEAL, which is the promised Holy Spirit. This is when the indwelling of the Holy Spirit begins; at the moment of faith in Christ.

The green words teach eternal security because the believer's inheritance (as a child of God per John 1:12 and Gal 3:26) is GUARANTEED.

And then the purple words gives Paul's explanation WHEN that GUARANTEED INHERITANCE is realized; until the redemption of those who are God's possession.

So, just who are "God's possession"? Those who have been MARKED in him with a seal.

IOW, those who have the indwelling Holy Spirit, which is on the basis of faith in Christ, ARE God's possession.

And the believer's inheritance is GUARANTEED.

If you can show me that anything in this post is inaccurate, please do. However, please DON'T bother using other verses or passages, since we all know how badly you mess them up.

Just deal with these 2 verses, the color coding and the words. If you can find errors, then point them out.

I don’t have time to read all your unbiblical twisted doctrine

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Haven't you ever read Rev 20:11-15? The ONLY REASON people will be asst into the lake of fire is because their names are not in the Book of Life. That means they NEVER received the gift of eternal life, which is received on the basis of believing in Christ, NOT on "helping the poor". That is nothing less than a heretical works based salvation.

Rather, why didn't you read my post AND Rev 20:11-15?

Rather, I KNOW that you contradict the Bible.

That is the ONLY REASON.

See? You are contradicting yourself. In the US, we call that "talking out of both sides of your mouth." Or saying totally opposed ideas.

I am done with your nonsense and heresy un biblical teaching

I gave you CLEAR Scripture, and you have the audacity to call it "nonsense and heresy un biblical".

 

[FreeGrace2]

So, let's move on to more biblical evidence that refutes your insecure faith nonsense, since you won't honestly face John 5:24 and 10:28.

2 Cor 1:22 - set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
2 Cor 5:5 - Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

Hm. Both verses end with the exact same words, "guaranteeing what is to come". And both verses base this guarantee on the Holy Spirit as a DEPOSIT.

So, what does all this mean? What is guaranteed, and how does one receive this deposit?

Well, glad you asked. Paul explained all this in Eph 1:13,14

13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

I've color coded these verses to help follow and understand all that Paul meant.

The red words teach that on the basis of believing in Christ the believer is "included IN Christ". This is called "positional truth". Every believer shares in all that Christ has because every believer is IN Christ.

The blue words teach that on the basis of believing in Christ, God marks the believer with a SEAL, which is the promised Holy Spirit. This is when the indwelling of the Holy Spirit begins; at the moment of faith in Christ.

The green words teach eternal security because the believer's inheritance (as a child of God per John 1:12 and Gal 3:26) is GUARANTEED.

And then the purple words gives Paul's explanation WHEN that GUARANTEED INHERITANCE is realized; until the redemption of those who are God's possession.

So, just who are "God's possession"? Those who have been MARKED in him with a seal.

IOW, those who have the indwelling Holy Spirit, which is on the basis of faith in Christ, ARE God's possession.

And the believer's inheritance is GUARANTEED.

If you can show me that anything in this post is inaccurate, please do. However, please DON'T bother using other verses or passages, since we all know how badly you mess them up.

Just deal with these 2 verses, the color coding and the words. If you can find errors, then point them out.

I don’t have time to read all your unbiblical twisted doctrine

I'm not surprised at all with your response. You don't WANT TO deal with clear verses that refute your unbiblical doctrine.

I asked you to point out any errors in my posts. But you can't do that because there are no errors. So you hide behind your watch.

You have plenty of time to spew your own false doctrines.

Anyway, you have been given TWO separate passages that both prove eternal security.

And you can't refute them. So you refuse to.

This is what those who peddle false doctrine do routinely. They won't touch the clear verses that refute them.

 

[Jackson123]

So, let's move on to more biblical evidence that refutes your insecure faith nonsense, since you won't honestly face John 5:24 and 10:28.

2 Cor 1:22 - set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
2 Cor 5:5 - Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

Hm. Both verses end with the exact same words, "guaranteeing what is to come". And both verses base this guarantee on the Holy Spirit as a DEPOSIT.

So, what does all this mean? What is guaranteed, and how does one receive this deposit?

Well, glad you asked. Paul explained all this in Eph 1:13,14

13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

I've color coded these verses to help follow and understand all that Paul meant.

The red words teach that on the basis of believing in Christ the believer is "included IN Christ". This is called "positional truth". Every believer shares in all that Christ has because every believer is IN Christ.

The blue words teach that on the basis of believing in Christ, God marks the believer with a SEAL, which is the promised Holy Spirit. This is when the indwelling of the Holy Spirit begins; at the moment of faith in Christ.

The green words teach eternal security because the believer's inheritance (as a child of God per John 1:12 and Gal 3:26) is GUARANTEED.

And then the purple words gives Paul's explanation WHEN that GUARANTEED INHERITANCE is realized; until the redemption of those who are God's possession.

So, just who are "God's possession"? Those who have been MARKED in him with a seal.

IOW, those who have the indwelling Holy Spirit, which is on the basis of faith in Christ, ARE God's possession.

And the believer's inheritance is GUARANTEED.

If you can show me that anything in this post is inaccurate, please do. However, please DON'T bother using other verses or passages, since we all know how badly you mess them up.

Just deal with these 2 verses, the color coding and the words. If you can find errors, then point them out.

I'm not surprised at all with your response. You don't WANT TO deal with clear verses that refute your unbiblical doctrine.

I asked you to point out any errors in my posts. But you can't do that because there are no errors. So you hide behind your watch.

You have plenty of time to spew your own false doctrines.

Anyway, you have been given TWO separate passages that both prove eternal security.

And you can't refute them. So you refuse to.

This is what those who peddle false doctrine do routinely. They won't touch the clear verses that refute them.

The problem with is you, not the verse
i give you explanation of your verse nothing contradiction only you teacher mess you up
example

abide is for relationship (reward)for faith don’t need abide

I am a member of first baptis for 26 years I am familiar with this teaching but in refused to believe that unbiblical teaching

how you have faith without relationship?

back to the Bible not to man made doctrine

 

[FreeGrace2]

The problem with is you, not the verse

You continue to be wrong.

i give you explanation of your verse nothing contradiction only you teacher mess you up
example

This doesn't make any sense. Please re-word.

abide is for relationship (reward)for faith don’t need abide

You comtinue to misunderstand. Abiding is a command for His disciples. If "abiding" is for relationship, you are saying that YOU yourself are saving yourself by abiding. That is pure nonsense. Believers are commanded to be IN fellowship with the Lord.

Jesus taught that only believers who are IN fellowship (abiding in Him) will bear fruit. This isn't difficult to understand.

I am a member of first baptis for 26 years I am familiar with this teaching but in refused to believe that unbiblical teaching

You are kicking against the goads.

how you have faith without relationship?

You don't. Relationship is established on the basis of faith in Christ.

back to the Bible not to man made doctrine

I've given you plenty of the Bible but you refuse to address any of the verses.

If you have biblical truth, you would be able to refute all unbiblical truth. But since you have only false doctrine, you cannot refute the truth, and you won't even address the verses on eternal security.

You have no excuse for your stubbornness.

 

[Jackson123]

John 15
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

abide in Me > if you abide you bear fruit

the fruit of Holy Spirit is agape love

detail of agape love is Matt 25 ( help the poor)

no agape love go to eternal fire

that what Jesus say

deduct from those part of the Bible, no fruit go to hell

man made doctrine try to change Jesus doctrine

no fruit still go to heaven

I understand in some case the fruit is still inside for example for people that accept Jesus and die the next second, they are save

but for people that have Jesus in and life 5 more years the love will show of as describe by Jesus as sheep in Matt 25 or the faith is fake

so fruit not only decide reward, heaven or hell

 

[Runningman]

Some works are things you do such as obeying God. Other times works refers to works of the Law. The New Testament doesn’t always clearly differentiate between those two kinds of works, so the different kind of works are often conflated and/or confused… to much peril and debate.

Law-keeping does not save people because no one can keep the law perfectly. In that sense works cannot save.

Going the extra mile, being a Good Samaritan, walking the strait and narrow path, obeying God, loving your neighbor, loving God, believing in Jesus, and water baptism are works and those are the works that save.

 

[FreeGrace2]

J
so fruit not only decide reward, heaven or hell

This is offensively unbiblical.

If "fruit" decides heaven or hell, then we save ourselves by our fruit. Hogwash. You clearly cannnot believe your own statement that salvation is by faith when you make these gaffs.

I showed you from John 3:15,16, 5:24, 6:40, 47 and 1 John 5:13 that believers possess eternal life.
I showed you from John 10:28 that recipients of eternal life shall never perish.

That proves no one who has believed shall ever perish.

There's more.

I showed you from Eph 1:13,14, 2 Cor 1:22 and 5:5 that "having believed" the believer is sealed IN Christ with the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit for the believer's inheritance as God's possession.

You can argue all you want about losing salvation, but your argument is with God Himself. God's Word is exactly that; HIS Word.

And you don't believe His Word.

 

[Magenta]

It is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill His good purpose.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Some works are things you do such as obeying God. Other times works refers to works of the Law. The New Testament doesn’t always clearly differentiate between those two kinds of works, so the different kind of works are often conflated and/or confused… to much peril and debate.

Very true.

Law-keeping does not save people because no one can keep the law perfectly. In that sense works cannot save.

Romans 3:20 says exactly that!

Going the extra mile, being a Good Samaritan, walking the strait and narrow path, obeying God, loving your neighbor, loving God, believing in Jesus, and water baptism are works and those are the works that save.

Nope.

Please share any verse that clearly shows that these works save our souls.

Regarding 'believing in Jesus", this is not a work, but an agreement that God is true and His promises are real.

That is the single condition for being saved. Trusting in the work of Jesus Christ on the cross. John 3:15,16, 5:24, 6:40, 47.

Water baptism is a symbol. 1 Pet 3:21
being a good Samaritan, walking the strait and narrow path, obeying and loving God, loving your neighbor are ALL what the Law is about. And Romans 3:20 says the Law doesn't save or justifiy.

No "work" saves. Works are commanded of believers, because all believers were chosen/elected for service. Which is performed by the works God commands us to do.

 

[Runningman]

Please share any verse that clearly shows that these works save our souls.

Okay I’ll do it, but you’ll probably disagree.

Regarding 'believing in Jesus", this is not a work, but an agreement that God is true and His promises are real.

False


Truth:
John 6:29
29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Water baptism is a symbol. 1 Pet 3:21

False


Truth:
Mark 16:16
16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

John 3:5
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

being a good Samaritan, walking the strait and narrow path, obeying and loving God, loving your neighbor are ALL what the Law is about.

False

Truth:
Matthew 25:41-43
41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

1 John 5:2,3
2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

And Romans 3:20 says the Law doesn't save or justifiy.

Works of the Law and energy you expend to do work in process of going the extra mile, being a Good Samaritan, walking the strait and narrow path, obeying God, loving your neighbor, loving God, believing in Jesus, and water baptism are not the same things.

There are works that save and I just proved it. Stop fighting the Bible.

No "work" saves. Works are commanded of believers, because all believers were chosen/elected for service. Which is performed by the works God commands us to do.

The Bible refutes you.

 

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

Please share any verse that clearly shows that these works save our souls.

James 2, KJV:

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

James 2, NKJV:

"20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?"

What do we learn from this passage?

1) Faith without works is dead
2) Abraham was justified by the Good Work of offering his son on the Altar.
3) Faith worked together with Abraham's works, and works made his faith perfect.

Faith without works is dead. Good Works justify or sanctify the soul and so contribute toward salvation. As faith without works is dead and useless toward eternal salvation, faith with works is living and alive and makes one's Faith Perfect.

God Bless.

 

[Jackson123]

This is offensively unbiblical.

If "fruit" decides heaven or hell, then we save ourselves by our fruit. Hogwash. You clearly cannnot believe your own statement that salvation is by faith when you make these gaffs.

I showed you from John 3:15,16, 5:24, 6:40, 47 and 1 John 5:13 that believers possess eternal life.
I showed you from John 10:28 that recipients of eternal life shall never perish.

That proves no one who has believed shall ever perish.

There's more.

I showed you from Eph 1:13,14, 2 Cor 1:22 and 5:5 that "having believed" the believer is sealed IN Christ with the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit for the believer's inheritance as God's possession.

You can argue all you want about losing salvation, but your argument is with God Himself. God's Word is exactly that; HIS Word.

And you don't believe His Word.

Fruit not save you, faith is
but when you have faith, Jesus in you you bear fruit, not by you, by Jesus in you

it decide heaven or hell

it is biblical

no fruit mean no faith mean hell

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Please share any verse that clearly shows that these works save our souls.

Okay I’ll do it, but you’ll probably disagree.

I never argue against verses that clearly say what is claimed.

I said that works don't save.

False
Truth:
John 6:29
29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Do you understand the value of 'context'?

Jesus had said this first:
26 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill.
27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”

Jesus used "work for food" to refer both to physical sustenance, and salvation. v.26 shows that the crowd was MORE INTERESTED in getting their bellies full than anything else.

So, the crowd responded to what Jesus said in v.26 and 27 this way:

28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
"
Now, do you really understand what they were asking Jesus? They were thinking like all good Pharisees; what WORKS will save us?

So Jesus responded according to their mindset of "works salvation".

29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

So, IF you want to argue that salvation IS by work, then v.29 clarifies EXACTLY what "work" does save: "to believe in the One God sent", which is Jesus Christ.

So, v.29 doesn't include anything that you listed as the works that save. In fact, there is only one "work" in the singular that does save; and that is believing in Jesus Christ.

I believe that Jesus was speaking "tongue in cheek" when He used the word "work", since believing is NOT a work. It is a TRUST.

The Bible easily clarifies that work of man does not save, but only faith in Christ.

Eph 2;8,9
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Rom 4:4,5
4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation.
5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.

So, if you want to believe that one can be saved by work (singular), then from Jn 6:29, that singular work is to believe in Jesus Christ. Nothing else.

I said:
"Water baptism is a symbol. "1 Pet 3:21
False
Truth:
Mark 16:16
16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.[/QUOTE]
You are wrong twice here. First, v.9-20 of Mark 16 don't appear in the earliest manuscripts. Meaning they were added later. So they are NOT inspired. The scribe who took the liberties of adding to Scripture didn't know his Bible.

Second, 1 Pet 3:21 DOES SAY that water baptism is a symbol.
21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[a] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

The "baptism that now saves you" is a reference to the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which is NOT by water. That is why John the baptizer could say this about Jesus:
Mark 1:8 - I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”

John 3:5
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Here, "water" refers to physical birth.
Spirit refers to Holy Spirit baptism


False

Truth:
Matthew 25:41-43
41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.[/QUOTE]
Anyone who thinks Jesus was teaching that any of these actions will save someone, they have been severely deceived.

You forgot to complete the whole passage. For context, you know.

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

There it is. "the RIGHTEOUS to eternal life". We know from many verses that it is believers who possess eternal life. And it is believers who are declared RIGHTEOUS. In fact, it is the righteousness of Christ that is imputed to believers.

Rom 3:21 - But now, apart from the law, the righteousness of God has been revealed, as attested by the Law and the Prophets. And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no distinction

So in Matt 25, the "sheep" are believers and the "goats" are unbelievers.

There are works that save and I just proved it.

Failure. I proved from the Bible that John 6:29 says there is a singular work that saves, and that work (singular) is to believe in Jesus Christ. Nothing else you claimed will save you or anyone else.

Stop fighting the Bible.

Start reading the Bible.

The Bible refutes you.

You don't know what you are talking about. Which I keep proving from the Bible.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Free Grace said:
Please share any verse that clearly shows that these works save our souls.

James 2, KJV:
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

Read 2:18. And the quote marks are two sentences, not one, as all the English translations show. The point about works or deeds, is that the ONLY WAY to demonstrate your faith to others is by your works/deeds.

A "dead faith" isn't a non saving faith as very poorly prepared pastors preach. A dead faith is a faith without evidence, so that no one can see their faith. James addressed his audience as SAVED people. Why would he be telling his SAVED audience that faith without works doesn't save. What it doesn't do is demonstrate one's faith.

James 2, NKJV:

"20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?"

What do we learn from this passage?

1) Faith without works is dead
2) Abraham was justified by the Good Work of offering his son on the Altar.
3) Faith worked together with Abraham's works, and works made his faith perfect.

Faith without works is dead. Good Works justify or sanctify the soul and so contribute toward salvation. As faith without works is dead and useless toward eternal salvation, faith with works is living and alive and makes one's Faith Perfect.

God Bless.

Again, 2:18 explains the whole point that James was making. In order for others to SEE your faith, you must have works/deeds.