Age of Marriage

[apwall21]

Luk 15:18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
Luk 15:19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
Luk 15:20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
Luk 15:21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
Luk 15:22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
Luk 15:23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
Luk 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
Luk 15:25 Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.
Luk 15:26 And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.
Luk 15:27 And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.
Luk 15:28 And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.
Luk 15:29 And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:
Luk 15:30 But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
Luk 15:31 And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.
Luk 15:32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

Luke 20
“A man planted a vineyard, rented it to some farmers and went away for a long time. 10 At harvest time he sent a servant to the tenants so they would give him some of the fruit of the vineyard. But the tenants beat him and sent him away empty-handed. 11 He sent another servant, but that one also they beat and treated shamefully and sent away empty-handed. 12 He sent still a third, and they wounded him and threw him out.

13 “Then the owner of the vineyard said, ‘What shall I do? I will send my son, whom I love; perhaps they will respect him.’

14 “But when the tenants saw him, they talked the matter over. ‘This is the heir,’ they said. ‘Let’s kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.’ 15 So they threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

“What then will the owner of the vineyard do to them? 16 He will come and kill those tenants and give the vineyard to others.”

 

[JohnDB]

Luk 15:18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
Luk 15:19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
Luk 15:20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
Luk 15:21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
Luk 15:22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
Luk 15:23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
Luk 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
Luk 15:25 Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.
Luk 15:26 And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.
Luk 15:27 And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.
Luk 15:28 And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.
Luk 15:29 And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:
Luk 15:30 But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
Luk 15:31 And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.
Luk 15:32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

Now you should know by now that the OP has such a rudimentary knowledge of scriptures that they don't know what all that means.
Lost as last year’s Easter egg....incapable of handling scriptures in a straightforward manner.
The OP is obviously going to misuse scripture to license poor behavior and has demonstrated that many times over.

 

[apwall21]

Luk 15:18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
Luk 15:19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
Luk 15:20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
Luk 15:21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
Luk 15:22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
Luk 15:23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
Luk 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
Luk 15:25 Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.
Luk 15:26 And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.
Luk 15:27 And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.
Luk 15:28 And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.
Luk 15:29 And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:
Luk 15:30 But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
Luk 15:31 And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.
Luk 15:32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

Nothing in this tells me what happens if the son had decided to, lets say, cut off his arm?
The Flesh is part of our burden, and apparently on this topic, our sins may effect it differently than our spirits are rewarded.

Luke 17
'5The apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith!”

6And the Lord answered, “If you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea,’ and it will obey you.

7Which of you whose servant comes in from plowing or shepherding in the field will say to him, ‘Come at once and sit down to eat’? 8Instead, won’t he tell him, ‘Prepare my meal and dress yourself to serve me while I eat and drink; and afterward you may eat and drink’? 9Does he thank the servant because he did what he was told? 10So you also, when you have done everything commanded of you, should say, ‘We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.’ ”'

 

[apwall21]

Now you should know by now that the OP has such a rudimentary knowledge of scriptures that they don't know what all that means.
Lost as last year’s Easter egg....incapable of handling scriptures in a straightforward manner.
The OP is obviously going to misuse scripture to license poor behavior and has demonstrated that many times over.

Luke 16
14The Pharisees, who were lovers of money, heard all of this and were scoffing at Jesus. 15So He said to them, “You are the ones who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is prized among men is detestable before God.

16The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the gospel of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.c 17But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for a single stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.

18Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

These are just a couple principals that seem too simplistic, but it's all I have for now.

1. Sin complicated things.
2. Sin has consequences.
3. The Bible is God's Word on this matter and is addressed.
4. Doing things the states way, for man's convenience or whatever departs from God's way will never be right.

Having children in one's teen years is nothing new. The parents need to guide these two from the Bible and hold them accountable as the should with anything else. It's not the end of the world. It's the beginning for this child. I wish salvation, peace and joy for the two families. Hopefully there will be likewise for a third.

 

[JohnDB]

@Beckie
See what I mean?
Takes the most flat reading of the least accurately translated scripture and twists it into the most condemnation filled interpretation possible....

When the part about how there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus is completely forgotten....even though it overrides....making it incongruent.

 

[Beckie]

Now you should know by now that the OP has such a rudimentary knowledge of scriptures that they don't know what all that means.
Lost as last year’s Easter egg....incapable of handling scriptures in a straightforward manner.
The OP is obviously going to misuse scripture to license poor behavior and has demonstrated that many times over.

you cause as much trouble as a 14 year old girl ....

 

[JohnDB]

you cause as much trouble as a 14 year old girl ....

Of course....it's my trademark.

Lead me not into temptation....I know more shortcuts than the preacher's kid.

 

[Beckie]

Of course....it's my trademark.

Lead me not into temptation....I know more shortcuts than the preacher's kid.

Don't go picking on us PKs

 

[apwall21]

@Beckie
See what I mean?
Takes the most flat reading of the least accurately translated scripture and twists it into the most condemnation filled interpretation possible....

When the part about how there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus is completely forgotten....even though it overrides....making it incongruent.

John 4
“Sir,” the woman said, “I see that You are a prophet. 20Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews say that the place where one must worship is in Jerusalem.”

21“Believe Me, woman,” Jesus replied, “a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22You worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”

 

[JohnDB]

Don't go picking on us PKs

I'm not picking on PKs....
Just saying that there's a reason we are friends. We think wayyyy too much alike.

 

[apwall21]

Of course....it's my trademark.

Lead me not into temptation....I know more shortcuts than the preacher's kid.

John 7
14About halfway through the feast, Jesus went up to the temple courts c and began to teach. 15The Jews were amazed and asked, “How did this man attain such learning without having studied?”

16“My teaching is not My own,” Jesus replied. “It comes from Him who sent Me. 17If anyone desires to do His will, he will know whether My teaching is from God or whether I speak on My own. 18He who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory, but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is a man of truth; in Him there is no falsehood. 19Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps it. Why are you trying to kill Me?”

 

[Polar]

Sex is the marriage.
A raped women/girl is now married to the scum bag? The child who is molested by Uncle Joe is now married to him? Who is the girl who is gang raped married too?
Are a couple married, by the officals , really married if for some strange reason there is no sex?
Some of these post show us so clearly how wonderful His Grace is.

And there we have it. Bible Thumpers Anon. They are Pharisees who ADD to God's word and make life impossible.

 

[JohnDB]

John 7
14About halfway through the feast, Jesus went up to the temple courts c and began to teach. 15The Jews were amazed and asked, “How did this man attain such learning without having studied?”

16“My teaching is not My own,” Jesus replied. “It comes from Him who sent Me. 17If anyone desires to do His will, he will know whether My teaching is from God or whether I speak on My own. 18He who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory, but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is a man of truth; in Him there is no falsehood. 19Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps it. Why are you trying to kill Me?”

You ain't Jesus.
However you do resemble someone else.

 

[Polar]

Don't go picking on us PKs

Ha! My husband is a PK.

 

[Beckie]

Ha! My husband is a PK.

We are a crazy club us PKs .

 

[apwall21]

John 9

13They brought to the Pharisees the man who had been blind. 14Now the day on which Jesus had made the mud and opened his eyes was a Sabbath. 15So the Pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight.

The man answered, “He put mud on my eyes, and I washed, and now I can see.”

16Because of this, some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for He does not keep the Sabbath.”

But others said, “How can a sinful man perform such signs?”

And there was division among them. 17So once again they asked the man who had been blind, “What do you say about Him, since it was your eyes He opened?”

“He is a prophet,” the man replied.

18The Jews still did not believe that the man had been blind and had received his sight until they summoned his parents 19and asked, “Is this your son, the one you say was born blind? So how is it that he can now see?”

20His parents answered, “We know he is our son, and we know he was born blind. 21But how he can now see or who opened his eyes, we do not know. Ask him. He is old enough to speak for himself.”

22His parents said this because they were afraid of the Jews. For the Jews had already determined that anyone who confessed Jesus as the Christ would be put out of the synagogue. 23That was why his parents said, “He is old enough. Ask him.”

24So a second time they called for the man who had been blind and said, “Give glory to God! We know that this man is a sinner.”

25He answered, “Whether He is a sinner I do not know. There is one thing I do know: I was blind, but now I see!”

26“What did He do to you?” they asked. “How did He open your eyes?”

27He replied, “I already told you, and you did not listen. Why do you want to hear it again? Do you also want to become His disciples?”

28Then they heaped insults on him and said, “You are His disciple; we are disciples of Moses. 29We know that God spoke to Moses, but we do not know where this man is from.”

30“That is remarkable indeed!” the man said. “You do not know where He is from, and yet He opened my eyes. 31We know that God does not listen to sinners, but He does listen to the one who worships Him and does His will. 32Never before has anyone heard of opening the eyes of a man born blind. 33If this man were not from God, He could do no such thing.”

34They replied, “You were born in utter sin, and you are instructing us?” And they threw him out.

 

[Polar]

Nope....not married in the sight of God.

I know several scriptures right off the top of my head that say otherwise....I believe someone has already posted them.

The children are fornicating. Nothing more or less.

There has been no giving of the bride and no exchange of commitment in front of witnesses....meaning no marriage.

No bride price either. I don't think these dudes know their Bible as well as the rest of us sure rape in scripture has been mentioned, but even then, Dad gets to say no you cannot have my precious daughter.

 

[Polar]

We are a crazy club us PKs .

You know, sometimes I think he is. LOL!

 

[Polar]

Not equal acts in the flesh.
Jesus said "but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. "
Was Jesus himself unwilling to forgive?

Jesus forgave both a thief and an adulteress. Wonder though, if the adulterer was forgiven since he preferred to stay in the shadows.

You and a few others in here are focusing on the sin and think to erase it by a sham marriage.

You obviously care about how it 'looks' and not the repercussions of forcing marriage. Could be easy to get the 2 kids to commit to marriage since they have no experience in life of what all that entails. I see you are not married either, so either you are angry because you are divorced (with your wife leaving you) or you cannot convince a woman to marry you or possibly you prefer to be single.

In any case, all three scenarios mean you lack judgement where marriage is concerned.