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Look, I am aware of that. However, why not 18 or younger? No, it was 20. Before I posted that, I made sure that was the consensus of those who are actual Bible scholars who agree that 20 was the considered age. this is not to say they could only get married at that age.
I am not doing anything on your account. Be as angry as you like. Not my fault or anyone's elses here. We all have personal examples we could give but that does not mean others have to suffer the same or live that way. Personal examples are nothing more than personal examples and while probably true, they do not mean that happens every time.
I am not doing anything on your account. Be as angry as you like. Not my fault or anyone's elses here. We all have personal examples we could give but that does not mean others have to suffer the same or live that way. Personal examples are nothing more than personal examples and while probably true, they do not mean that happens every time.
I assured my daughter that this isn't true, but it's just another reminder of how evil my ex is.
And I don't care what anybody says...she used to walk with Christ.
Once saved, always saved is a Satanic lie...as I trust you already know.
She's away in Columbia right now with our children.
My son wants me to swing by their house to pick up a package that got delivered for him.
Oh, goodie.
Now I get to see the giant golden idol (seriously, it reminds me of what Nebuchadnezzar built) standing on their front porch.
God help her.
And I don't care what anybody says...she used to walk with Christ.
Once saved, always saved is a Satanic lie...as I trust you already know.
She's away in Columbia right now with our children.
My son wants me to swing by their house to pick up a package that got delivered for him.
Oh, goodie.
Now I get to see the giant golden idol (seriously, it reminds me of what Nebuchadnezzar built) standing on their front porch.
God help her.
The entire premise is sick. Wealth in God's plan is Spirit, and from what I can see Family (real or adopted). Killing Blood Kin to gain worldly wealth?!
But we as a church have helped sustain this, by agreeing with The World, imo. We tell, by omission, often shaming, our young adults that Money and Business is More Important than Righteousness, and Obedience.
We don't prepare our young adults to be adults, we call them Children (all over this thread). We don't prepare the church to help our young adults, we expect THE STATE! An atheist hedonist Sangerite bunch of crooks, to teach our kids how to be safe, and to step in when our neighbors (youth or otherwise) have needs.
But we as a church have helped sustain this, by agreeing with The World, imo. We tell, by omission, often shaming, our young adults that Money and Business is More Important than Righteousness, and Obedience.
We don't prepare our young adults to be adults, we call them Children (all over this thread). We don't prepare the church to help our young adults, we expect THE STATE! An atheist hedonist Sangerite bunch of crooks, to teach our kids how to be safe, and to step in when our neighbors (youth or otherwise) have needs.
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Well, your alleged "Bible scholars" need some serious help.
Why don't you ask them why Luke records what transpired when Jesus was 12 YEARS OLD in the temple?
You know, this:
Luke chapter 2
[40] And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
[41] Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.
[42] And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.
[43] And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.
[44] But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance.
[45] And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him.
[46] And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.
[47] And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
[48] And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
[49] And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
[50] And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.
[51] And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.
[52] And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.
This might help you to understand the significance of the same:
https://www.christianity.com/jesus/...esus-go-to-the-temple-at-12-years-of-age.html
This might help as well:
https://www.desiringgod.org/messages/the-son-of-god-at-12-years-old
"Verse 42: "And when he was 12 years old they went up according to the custom." The fact that this incident happened when Jesus was 12 is probably significant. The 12th year was the final year of preparation for a lad before he entered full participation in the religious life of the synagogue. Up until that time his parents, especially his father, were teaching him the commandments of the law, but at the end of the 12th year the child goes through a ceremony by which he formally takes on the yoke of the law and becomes a bar mitzvah or "son of the commandment." This was the year Jesus chose to stay behind in the temple. Perhaps, at this crucial turning point in every Jewish boy's life, Jesus wanted to demonstrate subtly for those who had eyes to see that he would be more than an ordinary Jewish bar mitzvah; his insight into the commandment was more profound than ordinary men, and his relation to God was unique. Both of these will be evident in a moment."
Why don't you ask them why Luke records what transpired when Jesus was 12 YEARS OLD in the temple?
You know, this:
Luke chapter 2
[40] And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
[41] Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.
[42] And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.
[43] And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.
[44] But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance.
[45] And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him.
[46] And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.
[47] And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
[48] And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
[49] And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
[50] And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.
[51] And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.
[52] And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.
This might help you to understand the significance of the same:
https://www.christianity.com/jesus/...esus-go-to-the-temple-at-12-years-of-age.html
This might help as well:
https://www.desiringgod.org/messages/the-son-of-god-at-12-years-old
"Verse 42: "And when he was 12 years old they went up according to the custom." The fact that this incident happened when Jesus was 12 is probably significant. The 12th year was the final year of preparation for a lad before he entered full participation in the religious life of the synagogue. Up until that time his parents, especially his father, were teaching him the commandments of the law, but at the end of the 12th year the child goes through a ceremony by which he formally takes on the yoke of the law and becomes a bar mitzvah or "son of the commandment." This was the year Jesus chose to stay behind in the temple. Perhaps, at this crucial turning point in every Jewish boy's life, Jesus wanted to demonstrate subtly for those who had eyes to see that he would be more than an ordinary Jewish bar mitzvah; his insight into the commandment was more profound than ordinary men, and his relation to God was unique. Both of these will be evident in a moment."
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Yes. That was the Son of God though and what has that to do with marriage concerns of this thread?
You wanna be right? Be my guest. Nothing has changed with regards to this thread, including all your personal examples of why you hate your ex wife.
I think you see things as personal here and they really are not. But that is your prerogative of course.
Later. Much. Probably never.
You wanna be right? Be my guest. Nothing has changed with regards to this thread, including all your personal examples of why you hate your ex wife.
I think you see things as personal here and they really are not. But that is your prerogative of course.
Later. Much. Probably never.
Yes. That was the Son of God though and what has that to do with marriage concerns of this thread?
You wanna be right? Be my guest. Nothing has changed with regards to this thread, including all your personal examples of why you hate your ex wife.
I think you see things as personal here and they really are not. But that is your prerogative of course.
Later. Much. Probably never.
You wanna be right? Be my guest. Nothing has changed with regards to this thread, including all your personal examples of why you hate your ex wife.
I think you see things as personal here and they really are not. But that is your prerogative of course.
Later. Much. Probably never.
Jesus is always our example, and he went through a coming-of-age ceremony when he was twelve.
Then, as I've already mentioned earlier, there's the whole "adoption" thing that Paul spoke about, and that was a coming-of-age ceremony as well which occurred in a male child's early teens.
And I don't hate my ex-wife.
I pray for her constantly, and still serve her in many ways.
Be sure to mention that to Satan who inspired your false accusation.
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Being physically mature enough to breed in no ways is a magic formula for being instantly emotionally mature enough to parent a child.
Because if this was the case Department of Children's Services wouldn't exist.
And just because I've seen some YouTube videos and stayed in a Holiday Inn Express doesn't mean that I have the requisite knowledge to be an electrician either. (But it doesn't stop fools from believing it)
Which is why we don't let children parent children.
Because if this was the case Department of Children's Services wouldn't exist.
And just because I've seen some YouTube videos and stayed in a Holiday Inn Express doesn't mean that I have the requisite knowledge to be an electrician either. (But it doesn't stop fools from believing it)
Which is why we don't let children parent children.
Since mothers were having children at age 14, perhaps those young men were not drafted specifically so they could be on hand to help rear their firstborn? Just a thought, which also gains support from the precept that a man who has just married cannot join the combat. Pretty sure most of the world was having kids as soon as their bodies were capable, for thousands of years.
It's only after we became "Enlightened" that we decided Population Control was necessary.
Child Labor is overly abhorred, for instance. Which animal prefers to treat its offspring to irresponsibility for itself, instead of teaching, as soon as possible, self reliance/adult necessity choices?
It's only after we became "Enlightened" that we decided Population Control was necessary.
Child Labor is overly abhorred, for instance. Which animal prefers to treat its offspring to irresponsibility for itself, instead of teaching, as soon as possible, self reliance/adult necessity choices?
Really, it's interesting to me that we have such a big group of people being led down the path of destruction by Talmud worship, and none of these people have mentioned or considered Bar and Bat Mitzvahs.
Dunno exactly WHAT they think is going on there, but perhaps they could tell us why that doesn't mean what all those "jews" tell us it means?
Dunno exactly WHAT they think is going on there, but perhaps they could tell us why that doesn't mean what all those "jews" tell us it means?
1. Below 15 us not "young adults" but early teens.
2. These are still children. And children can't raise children without a lot of problems.
3. The wisest solution would be to give the child to the grandparents (whichever are ready, willing, and able) and let them raise the child (presumably in a Christian home).
4. When the child's father and mother are genuinely young adults (25 years or older), they can resolve the issue with their parents.
5. These teenagers will need to make some serious decisions about themselves and what they should now do. They need some biblical counseling and overwatch. Perhaps they are not even saved.
2. These are still children. And children can't raise children without a lot of problems.
3. The wisest solution would be to give the child to the grandparents (whichever are ready, willing, and able) and let them raise the child (presumably in a Christian home).
4. When the child's father and mother are genuinely young adults (25 years or older), they can resolve the issue with their parents.
5. These teenagers will need to make some serious decisions about themselves and what they should now do. They need some biblical counseling and overwatch. Perhaps they are not even saved.
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I don't argue, but no I don't agree with OSAS. Sad when someone gets turned around so badly that they are going in the opposite direction. I heard it said once that former Christians live harder and go further into sin than those who were never Christian in the first place. I don't know if that is true, but sometimes I wonder.
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They are adults or they could not create children. That is the Biological Definition of Adult, and while my Moral Preference wants "more responsibility" the reality of God's Natural Order doesn't make distinction between a 28 year old being pregnant, and a 14 year old being pregnant, cetirus paribus.
God tells us that ALL people must not commit adultery or fornication. He doesn't place an age limit. If they can behave in procreation, then they logically can commit adultery. And God will not distinguish between what you want to call your children, and what he knows is separation from him.
God tells us that ALL people must not commit adultery or fornication. He doesn't place an age limit. If they can behave in procreation, then they logically can commit adultery. And God will not distinguish between what you want to call your children, and what he knows is separation from him.
There is a difference between our ideals and every day life. There is a difference between law and Grace.
The society (USA) is so sick today the kids really need 600 tons of support.
Sex is thrown at them from cradle to grave. It is used to sell about everything in the market place. We live in todays world not 2000 years ago. We dont stone folks for sex sins. We live under grace His Grace, we dont often enough have show grace.
The kids in question here, messed up by having sex , my guess is it was on going. The church, parents failed these kids. I suggest, strongly suggest parents today to not leave the kids alone. That is alone without 'real' adult 'real' Christian supervision. With what our kids see today in society sex parties are part of the norm. Rainbow parties of the 80s were just plain ugly . That 10 20 minutes we run to the store is enough time for a quickie. Lunch time at school yes even Christian schools. It is not that Christians should CONTROL the kids we should be PROTECTING them , from the world , which is bombarding them and themselves.
Protecting them first with prayer and teaching of the Word. But also with works..
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Spend time with them. Just cause they say we are going to the movies, skating, swimming, does not mean that is what they are going to do. But mom it is the last football game. The do gooders of this world tell us to trust the kids that is pretty much the same crowd that it teaching about sex. The school i worked at in the 80 s taught one advantage of oral and anal sex the female does not get pregnant.
The society (USA) is so sick today the kids really need 600 tons of support.
Sex is thrown at them from cradle to grave. It is used to sell about everything in the market place. We live in todays world not 2000 years ago. We dont stone folks for sex sins. We live under grace His Grace, we dont often enough have show grace.
The kids in question here, messed up by having sex , my guess is it was on going. The church, parents failed these kids. I suggest, strongly suggest parents today to not leave the kids alone. That is alone without 'real' adult 'real' Christian supervision. With what our kids see today in society sex parties are part of the norm. Rainbow parties of the 80s were just plain ugly . That 10 20 minutes we run to the store is enough time for a quickie. Lunch time at school yes even Christian schools. It is not that Christians should CONTROL the kids we should be PROTECTING them , from the world , which is bombarding them and themselves.
Protecting them first with prayer and teaching of the Word. But also with works..
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Spend time with them. Just cause they say we are going to the movies, skating, swimming, does not mean that is what they are going to do. But mom it is the last football game. The do gooders of this world tell us to trust the kids that is pretty much the same crowd that it teaching about sex. The school i worked at in the 80 s taught one advantage of oral and anal sex the female does not get pregnant.
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