Age of Marriage

[JohnDB]

Birth Control? So if they had Aimed to fornicate, instead of just failing to passion in a moment, they would have been safe and good Christians with wealth and community standing on the way.

And exactly where are the diapers coming from?
$50/wk is $225/month just in diapers alone....

Not including clothes, Wipes, powder, bottles, toys, teething rings, doctors visits, and other routine care items.

Finances aka wealth is not as unimportant as you make it sound. It's as frivolous as not counting the cost before building.

 

[Polar]

I probably will have no say on this, but I want more help knowing how to talk about this.
Thoughts? Questions?

From the op.

Your responses do not indicate a desire for honest dialogue. It has been pretty much like petting an outraged porcupine.

 

[Live4Him3]

Birth Control? So if they had Aimed to fornicate, instead of just failing to passion in a moment, they would have been safe and good Christians with wealth and community standing on the way.

You're wasting your time trying to reason with these people.

As soon as the latest episode of Dr. Phil ends, a Twilight Zone marathon begins.

First up, the episode where adopted children never experience any problems in life. You know, like feelings of rejection and abandonment or things like that. Plus, they're always adopted into loving Christian families. Haven't you heard?

Then comes the episode where it's better to abort a child. Forget that it's murder or that the mother oftentimes is tormented for her decision. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy "reality TV".

The Bible?

Who needs that antiquated fairy tale.

That's what you'll get a steady diet of here...which is why I do my dining elsewhere.

 

[apwall21]

And exactly where are the diapers coming from?
$50/wk is $225/month just in diapers alone....

Not including clothes, Wipes, powder, bottles, toys, teething rings, doctors visits, and other routine care items.

Finances aka wealth is not as unimportant as you make it sound. It's as frivolous as not counting the cost before building.

How would Jacob have covered these things when he was working to earn Rachel the first time?

I think you give very good arguments on why the Church needs to be more attentive to our young adults and their physical conditions. From your claims, they seem to have a propensity to create children that we do not allow them to care for properly.

 

[JohnDB]

From the op.

Your responses do not indicate a desire for honest dialogue. It has been pretty much like petting an outraged porcupine.

Lots of teen angst and not a lot of cognitive reasoning skills.
But that is the usual from a "friend"/contemporary of teens to begin with.

They have a desired outcome but don't like all the many points of wisdom from those who have already traveled the journey.

 

[Live4Him3]

One last thing...

In the first church that I attended, two teenagers engaged in pre-marital sex, and the girl got pregnant. I believe that they were both 16 at that time.

For starters, the couple confessed their sin of fornication openly to the entire youth group.

Secondly, the parents of both teenagers and the church banded together to help the couple, and they were married.

That was about 30 years ago, so I cannot tell you what is happening now, but I know that things got off to a good start with a lot of people helping out.

God forbid that we help one another.

What type of strange gospel is this?

Yeah, that was sarcasm.

I'm done.

 

[JohnDB]

How would Jacob have covered these things when he was working to earn Rachel the first time?

I think you give very good arguments on why the Church needs to be more attentive to our young adults and their physical conditions. From your claims, they seem to have a propensity to create children that we do not allow them to care for properly.

Finger pointing still does not purchase diapers. There has to be an immediate resolution for the infant's needs.

 

[apwall21]

Lots of teen angst and not a lot of cognitive reasoning skills.
But that is the usual from a "friend"/contemporary of teens to begin with.

They have a desired outcome but don't like all the many points of wisdom from those who have already traveled the journey.

Refusal to accept an Atheist Code operated by Sangerites as cause for bringing our young adults into More Sin, is not rightly called a lack of Reasoning.
It may be a lack of respect for a stubborn and sinful church, but that's earned.

 

[JohnDB]

One last thing...

In the first church that I attended. two teenagers engaged in pre-marital sex, and the girl got pregnant. I believe that they were both 16 at that time.

For starters, the couple confessed their sin of fornication openly to the entire youth group.

Secondly, the parents of both teenagers and the church banded together to help the couple, and they were married.

That was about 30 years ago, so I cannot tell you what is happening now, but I know that things got off to a good start with a lot of people helping out.

God forbid that we help one another.

What type of strange gospel is this?

Yeah, that was sarcasm.

I'm done.

Oh I know that usually there's going to be some sort of help.

It's the demanding expectation that these people must help that I have an issue with.

 

[Live4Him3]

Oh I know that usually there's going to be some sort of help.

It's the demanding expectation that these people must help that I have an issue with.

Whose "demands" are you referring to?

Man's or God's?

"Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ." (Galatians 6:2)

 

[kaylagrl]

Why do people have marriage ceremonies? What is the point of having witnesses to ones vows?

So you think you have a say in a marriage because you were a guest?! Private issues?!

 

[Polar]

You're wasting your time trying to reason with these people.

As soon as the latest episode of Dr. Phil ends, a Twilight Zone marathon begins.

First up, the episode where adopted children never experience any problems in life. You know, like feelings of rejection and abandonment or things like that. Plus, they're always adopted into loving Christian families. Haven't you heard?

Then comes the episode where it's better to abort a child. Forget that it's murder or that the mother oftentimes is tormented for her decision. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy "reality TV".

The Bible?

Who needs that antiquated fairy tale.

That's what you'll get a steady diet of here...which is why I do my dining elsewhere.

Well, you know, you are painting with a very broad brush yourself and lumping everyone together. I did not see where anyone said they would abort.. No one here mentioned abortion.

The focus seems to be on the girl who is not even 14 with the (in my opinion) ridiculous comparison to Mary. How is the fact that males in biblical times were not considered men until the age of 20? Girls had to have finished puberty in order to be considered available for marriage.

The other neglected truth here, is that women basically had no rights and men could divorce a woman for any reason and did not need a judge to complete the action.

You can say what you want, but if anyone is getting jerked around in this thread, it seems to be the people who are expressing their thoughts and then getting lambasted for doing so. I hardly ever write in the family forum and yeah, this thread is a great example of why I do not. I would not come here for advice myself.

 

[JohnDB]

Refusal to accept an Atheist Code operated by Sangerites as cause for bringing our young adults into More Sin, is not rightly called a lack of Reasoning.
It may be a lack of respect for a stubborn and sinful church, but that's earned.

No one has suggested abortion....in fact just the opposite.

Everyone sees the oncoming freight train is not a light at the end of a tunnel except you. You believe it to be a way out.

 

[kaylagrl]

Any room for Grace?

Who is she and what she to do with this?!



ps Apparently not

 

[JohnDB]

Whose "demands" are you referring to?

Man's or God's?

"Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ." (Galatians 6:2)

But there's a difference between bearing one another's burdens and expecting the church to pay your traffic fines.

 

[apwall21]

So you think you have a say in a marriage because you were a guest?! Private issues?!

No, I think we have churches because we are sinners who need each other to be a complete body of Christ. I think we have marriage ceremonies so that our oaths can be recorded and heard, and celebrated into sustaining care, by the members of the church. I think, as members of churches, we have to decide who is, and who isn't, allowed to join us, and who is, and who isn't, in need of our collective assistance.

 

[apwall21]

No one has suggested abortion....in fact just the opposite.

Everyone sees the oncoming freight train is not a light at the end of a tunnel except you. You believe it to be a way out.

SCOTUS just overruled Roe-v-Wade. Please tell me again about that light that hits me?

 

[kaylagrl]

You're wasting your time trying to reason with these people.

As soon as the latest episode of Dr. Phil ends, a Twilight Zone marathon begins.

First up, the episode where adopted children never experience any problems in life. You know, like feelings of rejection and abandonment or things like that. Plus, they're always adopted into loving Christian families. Haven't you heard?

Then comes the episode where it's better to abort a child. Forget that it's murder or that the mother oftentimes is tormented for her decision. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy "reality TV".

The Bible?

Who needs that antiquated fairy tale.

That's what you'll get a steady diet of here...which is why I do my dining elsewhere.

Yeah, that's teaching them responsibility, abort the evidence. smh Can't believe... no, no I can, that people would look the other way and allow that to be the choice.

IMO the family needs to PRIVATELY go to the pastor or counseling and prayerfully consider what is best to do in this situation. These youngsters need to understand the consequences of what they have done and how this will change their lives and the life of this child. I have seen adoptions in these situations, I have seen couples that have kept the child. Neither is an easy solution. It's all made much harder when people gossip instead pray for the families as they make a very difficult decision.

 

[apwall21]

But there's a difference between bearing one another's burdens and expecting the church to pay your traffic fines.

Now should we tell them to dodge traffic court, flee the State until the court stops issuing Warrants, and pretend that the riches they're gonna get while working in a foreign land will make up for the heartache? Or the sentencing of the court when they are finally caught up with?

 

[Live4Him3]

Well, you know, you are painting with a very broad brush yourself and lumping everyone together. I did not see where anyone said they would abort.. No one here mentioned abortion.

Abortion was mentioned in the OP.

Some in first reply have suggested adoption, and I know that some would even look past an abortion.

The focus seems to be on the girl who is not even 14 with the (in my opinion) ridiculous comparison to Mary. How is the fact that males in biblical times were not considered men until the age of 20? Girls had to have finished puberty in order to be considered available for marriage.

Where are you getting your alleged "fact" from "that males in biblical times were not considered men until the age of 20"? Paul spoke of "adoption", which was a Roman coming-of-age ceremony, and that took place when a male was about 13 or 14 years old. What about a Jewish bar-mitzvah, or their coming-of-age ceremony, which also takes place when a male is around 13 years old?

The other neglected truth here, is that women basically had no rights and men could divorce a woman for any reason and did not need a judge to complete the action.

Whose "truth"?

Man's or God's?

Jesus clearly told us who can and cannot procure a divorce, and that was for a specific reason.

You can say what you want, but if anyone is getting jerked around in this thread, it seems to be the people who are expressing their thoughts and then getting lambasted for doing so. I hardly ever write in the family forum and yeah, this thread is a great example of why I do not. I would not come here for advice myself.

I wouldn't ask the average poster here (the forum at large) for directions to the nearest gas station...and I'm not joking.