Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?
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Jesus actually gave the instructions in order sins to be remitted:
Acts 1:1-2
1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
Acts 2:1-4
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts 2:32-33
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Remember, it was Jesus who gave Peter instructions to present through the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:37-41
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Acts 1:1-2
1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
Acts 2:1-4
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts 2:32-33
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Remember, it was Jesus who gave Peter instructions to present through the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:37-41
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
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oh but it is your job since you insist everyone who does not agree with your presentation of water regeneration is wrong.
Don't try to negate your responsibility by tempting God to clear up your mess for you.
Nothing in those verses applies to water baptism and it is nonsense for you to try and claim they do. In fact, what you claim regarding being baptized into Christ with water, negates the actual sacrifice of Christ on the cross and His shed blood which was and is the ONLY acceptable sacrifice for the atonement of our sins that is acceptable to God.
Romans 6: 3-6 expresses our uniting with Christ through the Holy Spirit. It speaks of uniting with Him in the likeness of His death and He did not drown. The creepy and erroneous idea that water saves or washes away sin, is the hallmark claim of certain cults who want to do away with forgiveness of our sin only through Christ and His shed blood.
This type of cultish expression, seeks to devalue Christ's complete work on the cross and create some kind of contribution of works, ie water baptism in this case, thereby creating mankind as contributing to his/her own salvation which is heretical to say the least.
Don't try to negate your responsibility by tempting God to clear up your mess for you.
Nothing in those verses applies to water baptism and it is nonsense for you to try and claim they do. In fact, what you claim regarding being baptized into Christ with water, negates the actual sacrifice of Christ on the cross and His shed blood which was and is the ONLY acceptable sacrifice for the atonement of our sins that is acceptable to God.
Romans 6: 3-6 expresses our uniting with Christ through the Holy Spirit. It speaks of uniting with Him in the likeness of His death and He did not drown. The creepy and erroneous idea that water saves or washes away sin, is the hallmark claim of certain cults who want to do away with forgiveness of our sin only through Christ and His shed blood.
This type of cultish expression, seeks to devalue Christ's complete work on the cross and create some kind of contribution of works, ie water baptism in this case, thereby creating mankind as contributing to his/her own salvation which is heretical to say the least.
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Romans 3:28-30
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Paul concludes that faith without the law, is the only justification for salvation.
While Romans may not be the easiest to understand of Paul's letters, there is absolutely no excuse to quantify water as any sort of absolution from one's sins. A combination of water and blood has also been identified by some cults as the actual method of forgiveness but that is heretical also and seeks to add to the finished work of Christ.
Under NO circumstances is any teaching that adds to Christ's finished and acceptable (to the Father) work on the cross within the scope of biblical Christianity.
Abraham was also declared righteous before God because of his faith. God did not change His mind and later add H2o as some sort of special revelation in the NT.
ONLY the blood of Christ cleanses us from sin. We have the ritual animal sacrifice of the OT as a indicator of the completion of God's plan with regards to the final sacrifice, His own Son sans water or any other artifice.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Paul concludes that faith without the law, is the only justification for salvation.
While Romans may not be the easiest to understand of Paul's letters, there is absolutely no excuse to quantify water as any sort of absolution from one's sins. A combination of water and blood has also been identified by some cults as the actual method of forgiveness but that is heretical also and seeks to add to the finished work of Christ.
Under NO circumstances is any teaching that adds to Christ's finished and acceptable (to the Father) work on the cross within the scope of biblical Christianity.
Abraham was also declared righteous before God because of his faith. God did not change His mind and later add H2o as some sort of special revelation in the NT.
ONLY the blood of Christ cleanses us from sin. We have the ritual animal sacrifice of the OT as a indicator of the completion of God's plan with regards to the final sacrifice, His own Son sans water or any other artifice.
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If you don't mind, please tell me what you believe the following scriptures actually mean if not that sins are washed away in obedience to water baptism made possible through Jesus' death, burial and resurrection:
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins..." Acts 2:38
"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins..." Acts 2:38
"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16
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There are those in this forum that will argue day and night that faith is a work; belief is a work etc,
Comprehension of certain biblical truths with some here (and in the world of course) seems to be a value beyond the vision of those who like to think they can add to salvation in some way, perhaps hoping for 'heaven credits'. It's like insider trading with bonus features for those 'in the know' while the rest of us can only hope for such enlightment.
The confusion does not come from God. As you know.
Comprehension of certain biblical truths with some here (and in the world of course) seems to be a value beyond the vision of those who like to think they can add to salvation in some way, perhaps hoping for 'heaven credits'. It's like insider trading with bonus features for those 'in the know' while the rest of us can only hope for such enlightment.
The confusion does not come from God. As you know.
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The believes comes before the baptizing. These simple indicators of the meaning in scripture appear to have left you dazzled by the light.
Believe first is exactly what is stated here.
Baptism in water indicates one who has accepted Christ, believe in the finished work of their Savior and desires to identify with Him in His death. Water is symbolic ONLY of the death. The immersion is the death and the resurrection is the rising from the water.
Anything else is babble and not of God. You cannot even get the sequence of events right when you type out the verse yourself.
Believe first is exactly what is stated here.
Baptism in water indicates one who has accepted Christ, believe in the finished work of their Savior and desires to identify with Him in His death. Water is symbolic ONLY of the death. The immersion is the death and the resurrection is the rising from the water.
Anything else is babble and not of God. You cannot even get the sequence of events right when you type out the verse yourself.
Maybe you are not familiar with what Peter, himself, said in verses 40-41 after telling the group they must repent, and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for remission of sin...
Acts 2:40-41
"And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls."
This is water baptism. How do we know this? Because man makes the choice to submit to water baptism, whereas God controls when He fills a person with His Spirit.
Acts 2:40-41
"And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls."
This is water baptism. How do we know this? Because man makes the choice to submit to water baptism, whereas God controls when He fills a person with His Spirit.
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You don't set the narrative for God's word!
It is difficult to have a quality debate with someone who don't understand english...what language can we put God's word into that would help you?
WOW...that's a lot of un-common sense.
Does Rev 15; 23 say we must repent of our sins? NO .
Does that mean we don't have to? No. But, applying your non sensical comment it would mean...yes. Go tell.
So what is your dubious and nonintellectual point?
Here is God's word;
Baptism is required.
It is difficult to have a quality debate with someone who don't understand english...what language can we put God's word into that would help you?
WOW...that's a lot of un-common sense.
Does Rev 15; 23 say we must repent of our sins? NO .
Does that mean we don't have to? No. But, applying your non sensical comment it would mean...yes. Go tell.
So what is your dubious and nonintellectual point?
Here is God's word;
Baptism is required.
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What wansvic and a few others here seem to be promoting is also called water or baptismal regeneration.
The belief that baptism is necessary for salvation is also known as "baptismal regeneration." Baptism is an important step of obedience for a Christian, but water is not the source of forgiveness for sins.
Christians should be water baptized by immersion. Baptism illustrates a believer’s identification with Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection.
“Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.” The action of being immersed in the water illustrates dying and being buried with Christ. The action of coming out of the water pictures Christ’s resurrection. Romans 6:3-4
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Ephesians 2:8,9)
The belief that baptism is necessary for salvation is also known as "baptismal regeneration." Baptism is an important step of obedience for a Christian, but water is not the source of forgiveness for sins.
Christians should be water baptized by immersion. Baptism illustrates a believer’s identification with Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection.
“Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.” The action of being immersed in the water illustrates dying and being buried with Christ. The action of coming out of the water pictures Christ’s resurrection. Romans 6:3-4
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Ephesians 2:8,9)
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So you consider the truth rude? Well it is a wake up call when presented without frills and chills, but there you have it.
If you think I am rude, I wonder what Paul, whom you seem to like to quote, would have to say? I do recall some of what he said to those who twisted the gospel and it was way past rude.
Here is what I stated once again. It is not rude at all. You simply cannot see your error even though you typed out the truth yourself.
The believes comes before the baptizing. These simple indicators of the meaning in scripture appear to have left you dazzled by the light.
Believe first is exactly what is stated here.
Baptism in water indicates one who has accepted Christ, believe in the finished work of their Savior and desires to identify with Him in His death. Water is symbolic ONLY of the death. The immersion is the death and the resurrection is the rising from the water.
Anything else is babble and not of God. You cannot even get the sequence of events right when you type out the verse yourself.
If you think I am rude, I wonder what Paul, whom you seem to like to quote, would have to say? I do recall some of what he said to those who twisted the gospel and it was way past rude.
Here is what I stated once again. It is not rude at all. You simply cannot see your error even though you typed out the truth yourself.
The believes comes before the baptizing. These simple indicators of the meaning in scripture appear to have left you dazzled by the light.
Believe first is exactly what is stated here.
Baptism in water indicates one who has accepted Christ, believe in the finished work of their Savior and desires to identify with Him in His death. Water is symbolic ONLY of the death. The immersion is the death and the resurrection is the rising from the water.
Anything else is babble and not of God. You cannot even get the sequence of events right when you type out the verse yourself.
Maybe you are not familiar with the truth? The truth has been stated so simply a child can understand and for that matter, I came to Christ as a child. Maybe I have a head start on you
I do know I am not confused nor am I going to play your game
I do know I am not confused nor am I going to play your game
The scripture clearly states Peter told them to save themselves. And they gladly believed him and submitted to baptism.
Acts 2:40-41
"And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls."
