The Faith OF Christ...

[GRACE_ambassador]

Precious friends, should most of us place More EMPHASIS on ourSELF rather than

The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And HIS Faithfulness?:​

"

...A Precious Blessing Too​

Few Believers Appreciate​

It is amazing that so few of God’s people understand the simple significance
of one of the most Precious phrases in the Pauline epistles: “The Faith Of Christ.”
The apostle uses this phrase no less than seven times in his letters to the saints,
yet the vast majority of believers today fail utterly to understand, yea, even
misunderstand its wonderful meaning.

As the emphasis in evangelism today is placed upon man rather than upon God,
so has the Truth About 'faith in Christ' been given the Precedence over the Truth
about “The Faith Of Christ,” until It has all but crowded it out.

Two Aspects Of 'faith'...Objective faith...Subjective faith..."The Promise"...

...The FAITH OF Christ...​

...Righteousness...Access...The christian life...

...Our “faith” would be vain were it not for
“The Faith [Fidelity] of the SON of God.”...
"
(CR Stam)

FULL study:
The Faith OF Christ



"...I must decrease, HE Must Increase..." (John baptizer)

GRACE And Peace...

 

[ThewindBlows]

Amen Brother,

Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.


1 Thessalonians 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

Thank you Jesus

 

[Dino246]

This is an issue of translation to a now-archaic form of English, but it has become an issue of doctrine. It is clear from the New Testament as a whole that the key is our faith in Christ, rather than the faith that Christ Himself exercises. It is, however, a gift from God (Eph. 2:8).

(KJV, copied from BibleGateway.org)

Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

1 Corinthians 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

1 Corinthians 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

1 Corinthians 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

2 Corinthians 1:24 Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand.

2 Corinthians 10:15 Not boasting of things without our measure, that is, of other men's labours; but having hope, when your faith is increased, that we shall be enlarged by you according to our rule abundantly,

Ephesians 1:15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

Philippians 2:17 Yea, and if I be offered upon the sacrifice and service of your faith, I joy, and rejoice with you all.

Colossians 1:4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,

Colossians 2:5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

1 Thessalonians 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

1 Thessalonians 1:8 For from you sounded out the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith to God-ward is spread abroad; so that we need not to speak any thing.

1 Thessalonians 3:2 And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:

1 Thessalonians 3:5 For this cause, when I could no longer forbear, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter have tempted you, and our labour be in vain.

1 Thessalonians 3:6 But now when Timotheus came from you unto us, and brought us good tidings of your faith and charity, and that ye have good remembrance of us always, desiring greatly to see us, as we also to see you:

1 Thessalonians 3:7 Therefore, brethren, we were comforted over you in all our affliction and distress by your faith:

1 Thessalonians 3:10 Night and day praying exceedingly that we might see your face, and might perfect that which is lacking in your faith?

2 Thessalonians 1:3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;

James 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

1 Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

1 Peter 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

2 Peter 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

Jude 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Amen Brother,

Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.


1 Thessalonians 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

Thank you Jesus

Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome to Chat.

Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided.

GRACE And Peace...

 

[ThewindBlows]

This is an issue of translation to a now-archaic form of English, but it has become an issue of doctrine. It is clear from the New Testament as a whole that the key is our faith in Christ, rather than the faith that Christ Himself exercises. It is, however, a gift from God (Eph. 2:8).

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Here Paul shows the distinction between the faith of Jesus, and our faith in Jesus, contrasting the works of the law with being Justified through faith that does not originate with man, Jesus achieved all that is necessary for salvation, he shed his blood, He is the author and finisher of our faith

so

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

My faith = In Jesus

Jesus Faith = Perfect, Luke 1:37 For with God nothing will be impossible.

 

[TDidymas]

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Here Paul shows the distinction between the faith of Jesus, and our faith in Jesus, contrasting the works of the law with being Justified through faith that does not originate with man, Jesus achieved all that is necessary for salvation, he shed his blood, He is the author and finisher of our faith

so

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

My faith = In Jesus

Jesus Faith = Perfect, Luke 1:37 For with God nothing will be impossible.

I think you're confused by the KJV translation. "Faith of Jesus Christ" is talking about the Christian faith, which is the set of doctrines (that is, facts) about Jesus that we believe, and thereby trust in Him as our Lord and Savior. It's talking about the faith we have in Christ, as all the newer translations bring that out. Notice the verse says "the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ" - can you see that "even we have believed" is Paul's definition of the previous phrase "the faith of"? The first phrase is a noun "the faith," and the 2nd is the verb "we have believed." The meaning of it is found in the context of the verse, not in a single word.

But taking it as your usage, if I am justified by a faith that Jesus exercises, and live by His faith (not mine), then I could be faithless and still be saved, no? I hope this isn't what you're trying to say, even though it appears so. We are justified by our faith (that is, our trust) in Christ, not by somebody else's faith, even Christ's. Justification is appropriated when WE trust IN CHRIST. If you think we can be justified by Christ's faith, then please explain. (I think you'd have a lot of difficulty supporting that by the wider context of scripture).

 

[ThewindBlows]

I think you're confused by the KJV translation. "Faith of Jesus Christ" is talking about the Christian faith, which is the set of doctrines (that is, facts) about Jesus that we believe, and thereby trust in Him as our Lord and Savior. It's talking about the faith we have in Christ, as all the newer translations bring that out. Notice the verse says "the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ" - can you see that "even we have believed" is Paul's definition of the previous phrase "the faith of"? The first phrase is a noun "the faith," and the 2nd is the verb "we have believed." The meaning of it is found in the context of the verse, not in a single word.

But taking it as your usage, if I am justified by a faith that Jesus exercises, and live by His faith (not mine), then I could be faithless and still be saved, no? I hope this isn't what you're trying to say, even though it appears so. We are justified by our faith (that is, our trust) in Christ, not by somebody else's faith, even Christ's. Justification is appropriated when WE trust IN CHRIST. If you think we can be justified by Christ's faith, then please explain. (I think you'd have a lot of difficulty supporting that by the wider context of scripture).

First off
2 Timothy 2:13 if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He is not able to deny Himself.

So there is your answer to that from the Bible, Second you start with putting doubt in the Word of God....Not good

There is a big problem Paul warned talked about its will worship, If your faith is in your faith you will fail, Your faith didnt Die for you

We are Justified by his blood, My faith is in that blood, When you become born again you cannot become unborn, Some things are clear but when you bring doubt into the Word of God you are going to be confused

 

[TDidymas]

First off
2 Timothy 2:13 if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He is not able to deny Himself.

So there is your answer to that from the Bible, Second you start with putting doubt in the Word of God....Not good

There is a big problem Paul warned talked about its will worship, If your faith is in your faith you will fail, Your faith didnt Die for you

We are Justified by his blood, My faith is in that blood, When you become born again you cannot become unborn, Some things are clear but when you bring doubt into the Word of God you are going to be confused

Firstly, I'm not WOF, so don't accuse me of having faith in my faith.

Secondly, nowhere does the Bible even imply that Jesus exercised faith, since faith is something that we exercise in someone much greater than ourselves, namely God. It's the basis of our relationship. And since Jesus was God, and knew who he was, he had no need to exercise any faith, because he did whatever the father was doing - he saw it.

Thirdly, our faith is the gift of God to us, as per Eph. 2:8. We have to recognize that what we have in regard to spiritual relationship with God has been given to us. Paul wrote "what do you have that you did not receive?" This shows that our faith came from God to us as a gift. "Faith cometh by hearing" - cometh from where? From the Holy Spirit who is the one who gives us wisdom from above to believe.

Fourthly, your accusation that I am bringing doubt to God's word is false. I explained your error clearly, and my explanation is Biblical.

Fifthly, 2 Tim. 2:13 is easily explained this way - "faithless" is talking about a denial of who we are in Christ in the face of persecution, and has nothing to do with our trust in Christ for acceptance with God. Here it's an action in contrast to a belief. Look to the context for meaning and not merely in isolated words.

 

[ThewindBlows]

Firstly, I'm not WOF, so don't accuse me of having faith in my faith.

Secondly, nowhere does the Bible even imply that Jesus exercised faith, since faith is something that we exercise in someone much greater than ourselves, namely God. It's the basis of our relationship. And since Jesus was God, and knew who he was, he had no need to exercise any faith, because he did whatever the father was doing - he saw it.

Thirdly, our faith is the gift of God to us, as per Eph. 2:8. We have to recognize that what we have in regard to spiritual relationship with God has been given to us. Paul wrote "what do you have that you did not receive?" This shows that our faith came from God to us as a gift. "Faith cometh by hearing" - cometh from where? From the Holy Spirit who is the one who gives us wisdom from above to believe.

Fourthly, your accusation that I am bringing doubt to God's word is false. I explained your error clearly, and my explanation is Biblical.

Fifthly, 2 Tim. 2:13 is easily explained this way - "faithless" is talking about a denial of who we are in Christ in the face of persecution, and has nothing to do with our trust in Christ for acceptance with God. Here it's an action in contrast to a belief. Look to the context for meaning and not merely in isolated words.

So you want to be judged by your own faith? instead of Jesus' faith? Can you tell me what saves you? and keeps you saved?

Without faith it is impossible to please God, When Jesus was born he humbled himself and became obedient to death, did he do it as God or as Man

I had to look up WOF I hadn't heard of it...over here its a warrant of fitness....If I had to guess you seem calvanist? but who cares

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God......it answers if you quoted the full verse, no need for nouns and verbs just read the rest of the verse for what it actually says and take it as it says

Do you think people lose their faith? do you think you could lose your faith?

 

[TDidymas]

So you want to be judged by your own faith? instead of Jesus' faith? Can you tell me what saves you? and keeps you saved?

Without faith it is impossible to please God, When Jesus was born he humbled himself and became obedient to death, did he do it as God or as Man

I had to look up WOF I hadn't heard of it...over here its a warrant of fitness....If I had to guess you seem calvanist? but who cares

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God......it answers if you quoted the full verse, no need for nouns and verbs just read the rest of the verse for what it actually says and take it as it says

Do you think people lose their faith? do you think you could lose your faith?

We are kept by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time - 1 Pet. 1:5.

Notice it says "through faith." So your "faithless" idea falls short. Since faith is a trust in God (Heb. 11), even when we don't feel like we have any, we still continue to trust in God to increase our faith, just like the disciples requested of Jesus.

My point is that God doesn't save us apart from us. He works within us to produce faith in Him. "This is the work of God, to believe in Him whom He sent." "To believe" means that we are believing. There is no room for no faith at all.

My point is to correct the misinterpretation of "the faith of..." which is an antiquated KJV wording that means "our faith in Christ," which is stated in the next phrase of the sentence in Gal. 2.

 

[ThewindBlows]

We are kept by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time - 1 Pet. 1:5.

Yes but Saved By Grace

Notice it says "through faith." So your "faithless" idea falls short. Since faith is a trust in God (Heb. 11), even when we don't feel like we have any, we still continue to trust in God to increase our faith, just like the disciples requested of Jesus.

2 Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

You would have to define your interpretation of believe, you can hide a lot behind words out of context, Christians have believed, God accepted their belief one time, and sealed them with the holy spirit of promise, WE could discuss how you think someone may be able to undo that?

My point is that God doesn't save us apart from us. He works within us to produce faith in Him. "This is the work of God, to believe in Him whom He sent." "To believe" means that we are believing. There is no room for no faith at all.

Saved us because he loved us, Its his nature, he is graceful and merciful, And he said he will conform us into the image of his son, Its the work of God in our lives, All for him by him for his glory, We are left to Love and be thankful, If you have a bad day God still Loves his Children

My point is to correct the misinterpretation of "the faith of..." which is an antiquated KJV wording that means "our faith in Christ," which is stated in the next phrase of the sentence in Gal. 2.

My point is you shouldn't try and be a bible corrector, think of Jesus words "O you of little faith" or "if you had faith as a mustard seed"

Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you”

Do you really want your salvation to be judged by Your faith, or the Faith of Jesus? can you at least answer that question?

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Jesus is the author and finisher, its all him, He gets the glory

 

[ThewindBlows]

My point is to correct the misinterpretation of "the faith of..." which is an antiquated KJV wording that means "our faith in Christ," which is stated in the next phrase of the sentence in Gal. 2.

I looked up all the verses, and modern translations have changed "of" to "in", so I looked a little deeper and the discussion came up with the introduction of the Catholic translations, Then 30 years of Debate because someone thought Paul had things wrong, so it turns out I got dragged into the pistis Christou discussion without even realizing it, I'm going to do a little reading on the topic to catch up with things now I know where your coming from

 

[Dino246]

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Here Paul shows the distinction between the faith of Jesus, and our faith in Jesus, contrasting the works of the law with being Justified through faith

Perhaps I have misunderstood you, but you seem to be conflating our faith in Jesus with works of the law. Paul stated clearly that we are not justified by works of the law... full stop. He does not say that we are not justified by our faith in Jesus. It appears that you read your conclusion in to your point, resulting in a circular argument.

that does not originate with man, Jesus achieved all that is necessary for salvation, he shed his blood, He is the author and finisher of our faith

Nobody is arguing that saving faith originates with us; I noted that in my previous post. I don't believe your point is sound, and your last two words demonstrate my point.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Perhaps I have misunderstood you, but you seem to be conflating our faith in Jesus with works of the law. Paul stated clearly that we are not justified by works of the law... full stop. He does not say that we are not justified by our faith in Jesus. It appears that you read your conclusion in to your point, resulting in a circular argument.


Nobody is arguing that saving faith originates with us; I noted that in my previous post. I don't believe your point is sound, and your last two words demonstrate my point.

yeah the only place Faith can come from is to accept the word of Christ the gospel

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

many try to shape and create the thier own form of faith thier own source rejecting what Jesus said and claiming we have some form of faith that saves

“But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:6‬ ‭

faith needs to believe not only that he exists but his nature of rewarding those who seek him faith is the reason we seek him we believe the promises he made in the gospel we believe that Jesus has the power to give us everlasting life like he said faith can’t come from a Joseph prince book because he avoids what the lords word says it has to come from what Jesus said without his words thy res no salvstion or any such thing as faith

these types of ops are designed to day the opposite of what Jesus taught and claim that’s real faith it’s imaginary faith imaginary salvation

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Precious friends, should most of us place More EMPHASIS on ourSELF rather than

The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And HIS Faithfulness?:​

"

...A Precious Blessing Too​

Few Believers Appreciate​

It is amazing that so few of God’s people understand the simple significance
of one of the most Precious phrases in the Pauline epistles: “The Faith Of Christ.”
The apostle uses this phrase no less than seven times in his letters to the saints,
yet the vast majority of believers today fail utterly to understand, yea, even
misunderstand its wonderful meaning.

As the emphasis in evangelism today is placed upon man rather than upon God,
so has the Truth About 'faith in Christ' been given the Precedence over the Truth
about “The Faith Of Christ,” until It has all but crowded it out.

Two Aspects Of 'faith'...Objective faith...Subjective faith..."The Promise"...

...The FAITH OF Christ...​

...Righteousness...Access...The christian life...

...Our “faith” would be vain were it not for
“The Faith [Fidelity] of the SON of God.”...
"
(CR Stam)

FULL study:
The Faith OF Christ

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"...I must decrease, HE Must Increase..." (John baptizer)

GRACE And Peace...

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I have been trying to explain Jesus's faith for a long time. Too many well meaning children of God, like to take credit away from Jesus and apply it to themselves, and it does not stop with Jesus's faith. It is evident throughout the scriptures on many different subjects. A lot of the revised bibles have changed the word "OF" in Gal 2:16 to "IN".

 

[ThewindBlows]

Perhaps I have misunderstood you, but you seem to be conflating our faith in Jesus with works of the law. Paul stated clearly that we are not justified by works of the law... full stop. He does not say that we are not justified by our faith in Jesus. It appears that you read your conclusion in to your point, resulting in a circular argument.

I could say your conflating what saves with your own faith which can be usless, if you misunderstand why presume without asking, my argument is your faith doesnt save you, your faith isn't the saviour... full stop

Nobody is arguing that saving faith originates with us; I noted that in my previous post. I don't believe your point is sound, and your last two words demonstrate my point.

Jesus the author and finisher of our faith isnt sound to you? I said when it comes to salvation so now....do you think you have a part in it like you can rewrite it and change the plans? do you think your faith is equal to the blood that Jesus shed, all you can do is believe, Faith is a great thing, But you demonstrate where you faith is with your words, And I haven't seen you mention how you are saved so i dont think you even understand the subject, You can have all the faith you think you can but it wont save you, Im differentiating your faith vs The faith of Jesus, Jesus is what our faith should be in... Full stop, But our faith isnt what saves us do you know what does?

 

[ThewindBlows]

many try to shape and create the thier own form of faith thier own source rejecting what Jesus said and claiming we have some form of faith that saves

Exactly and they have to go outside of scripture or too many translations to try and justify their own form of faith

faith needs to believe not only that he exists but his nature of rewarding those who seek him faith is the reason we seek him we believe the promises he made in the gospel we believe that Jesus has the power to give us everlasting life like he said faith can’t come from a Joseph prince book because he avoids what the lords word says it has to come from what Jesus said without his words thy res no salvstion or any such thing as faith

Faith needs to believe you will get rewarded? thats kinda expecting something, like an exchange or a job like your wroking for it, you should believe because its already been done 2000 years ago, on a cross, and guess what your faith wasn't there but it still happened

these types of ops are designed to day the opposite of what Jesus taught and claim that’s real faith it’s imaginary faith imaginary salvation

These types of ops are to show you the truth from scripture, notice anyone that opposes it tries to doubt faith in Jesus, Put doubt in the word of God,try nit pick words meanings but ultimately Ignore the cross and put there own faith in the place, thats will worship to me, I hear if you keep the faith you will get there in the end, if you keep the faith you will get rewarded.....like you think your faith did it all, your faith must be your saviour, But you miss the meaning of these things because you cant see past your own faith, Of all the peope that reject the faith of Jesus haven't been able to say what saves them and keeps them saved

 

[Dino246]

I could say your conflating what saves with your own faith which can be usless, if you misunderstand why presume without asking, my argument is your faith doesnt save you, your faith isn't the saviour... full stop




Jesus the author and finisher of our faith isnt sound to you? I said when it comes to salvation so now....do you think you have a part in it like you can rewrite it and change the plans? do you think your faith is equal to the blood that Jesus shed, all you can do is believe, Faith is a great thing, But you demonstrate where you faith is with your words, And I haven't seen you mention how you are saved so i dont think you even understand the subject, You can have all the faith you think you can but it wont save you, Im differentiating your faith vs The faith of Jesus, Jesus is what our faith should be in... Full stop, But our faith isnt what saves us do you know what does?

You seem to want to argue instead of discussing. I’m not interested.

 

[Dino246]

notice anyone that opposes it tries to doubt faith in Jesus, Put doubt in the word of God,try nit pick words meanings but ultimately Ignore the cross and put there own faith in the place, thats will worship to me,

Hogwash and codswollop.

 

[ThewindBlows]

You seem to want to argue instead of discussing. I’m not interested.

Isnt That's what you came in doing, You cant even answer a question so you have no interest in discussion