What would Jesus do if a demon came to him for forgiveness?
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I think that as harsh as this sounds, it is a very succinct description of what we find in scripture.
I believe it's a very fair assessment of the "conditions" we appear to find in scripture, just as they are.
The problem is, we want to know WHY everything is the way it is...
and for some things, the best we can do is work backward from the text, and hazard a speculation.
We want to know "why" demons don't repent, and "why" they seem incapable.
The best explanation I've heard is that it's the natural result of sin in the face of some complete lack of "epistemic distance."
Though that's still just a guess.
There is no biblical clarity on this... just different "guesses", with differing degrees of likelihood.
We just don't have a clear "why" for everything in the universe.
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I believe it's a very fair assessment of the "conditions" we appear to find in scripture, just as they are.
The problem is, we want to know WHY everything is the way it is...
and for some things, the best we can do is work backward from the text, and hazard a speculation.
We want to know "why" demons don't repent, and "why" they seem incapable.
The best explanation I've heard is that it's the natural result of sin in the face of some complete lack of "epistemic distance."
Though that's still just a guess.
There is no biblical clarity on this... just different "guesses", with differing degrees of likelihood.
We just don't have a clear "why" for everything in the universe.
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That's not what God in his own word says.
if you think GOD would internationally create evil beings you are very, very wrong.
JF
You're wrong.
When God tells us who he is and you choose to ignore what you don't like about that, that's your belief system.
Read the Bible.
The foremost murderer in scripture, is God.. Not Lucifer, not his demons. God.
He tells us this.
It is contrary to the faith claim, "I believe the bible is God's word", to deny God's own history. That he tells us in his own words.
When God tells us who he is and you choose to ignore what you don't like about that, that's your belief system.
Read the Bible.
The foremost murderer in scripture, is God.. Not Lucifer, not his demons. God.
He tells us this.
It is contrary to the faith claim, "I believe the bible is God's word", to deny God's own history. That he tells us in his own words.
They can't. Salvation is only for man. See we here in the natural in this time bubble only see known in part where as they know there is no salvation for them. They didn't fall because Satan lied to them. See I believe demons are not fallen angels but those that were part angel part man which were never meant to be.
They know.. when Christ cast them out what did they say to Him? Not one of those thousand repented.. they can't. The said "have you come to torment us before our time". See we only know in part they know whats coming for them
They know.. when Christ cast them out what did they say to Him? Not one of those thousand repented.. they can't. The said "have you come to torment us before our time". See we only know in part they know whats coming for them
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he’s already prepared hell for Satan and his angels so unless this is untrue
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
Matthew 25:41, 46 KJV
“And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.”
Revelation 19:20 KJV
“And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:”
Revelation 13:16
“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”
Revelation 14:9-11 KJV
“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
Revelation 21:8
salvstion is for former sinners who were ignorant of the truth when they served satans Will angels ( demons ) are t unaware like humane of the spiritual thkngs they aren’t deceived they are the deceivers salvation is for mankind because we were deceived and turned against our own Will under satans trap and dominion the angels are his followers knowing the plan of salvation all along we as humans are learning the truth and being turned from the dark to the light the ignorance to the knowledge of God
once you are made aware of these thkngs and make the choice who to serve there’s no salvation at that point left but in ignorance forebearance extends to mankind we have to willfully turn from satans Will of sin and death to Gods Will of righteousness and life in Christ Jesus
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
Matthew 25:41, 46 KJV
“And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.”
Revelation 19:20 KJV
“And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:”
Revelation 13:16
“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”
Revelation 14:9-11 KJV
“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
Revelation 21:8
salvstion is for former sinners who were ignorant of the truth when they served satans Will angels ( demons ) are t unaware like humane of the spiritual thkngs they aren’t deceived they are the deceivers salvation is for mankind because we were deceived and turned against our own Will under satans trap and dominion the angels are his followers knowing the plan of salvation all along we as humans are learning the truth and being turned from the dark to the light the ignorance to the knowledge of God
once you are made aware of these thkngs and make the choice who to serve there’s no salvation at that point left but in ignorance forebearance extends to mankind we have to willfully turn from satans Will of sin and death to Gods Will of righteousness and life in Christ Jesus
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
It could not happen for the demons know how they feel and they know they cannot be saved.
Revelation 16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
Revelation 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
When the world takes the mark of the beast they will have the nature of a devil and they will not repent even when God is pouring out His wrath upon the world because the world knows how they feel and know they cannot be saved.
Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
It could not happen for the demons know how they feel and they know they cannot be saved.
Revelation 16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
Revelation 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
When the world takes the mark of the beast they will have the nature of a devil and they will not repent even when God is pouring out His wrath upon the world because the world knows how they feel and know they cannot be saved.
It's still our choice. Jesus chose the apostles. One turned out to be the betrayer, Judas. In heaven, God knows exactly who and when people will be saved. On earth, we must choose.
John 1:12 & 13
But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God— children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God.
John 1:12 & 13
But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God— children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God.
Yes, but that's not what God said.
As for Judas, he served God's purpose. Jesus knew of this which is why he told Judas to go and do what he needed to do.
While the one that betrayed Jesus, let him be judged worthy of crucifixion, was the high priest Caiphas.When he convened an unlawful court at his palace and judged Jesus guilty of blasphemy. And then sought to get Rome to kill him because he could not so close to Passover. And because such a killing would need be approved by Rome.
The son of Perdition wasn't Judas either.The son of Perdition is the Antichrist.
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that Man of Sin be revealed, the Son of Perdition" 2 Thessalonians 2:3
https://biblehub.com/library/pink/the_antichrist/2_the_man_of_sin.htm
As for Judas, he served God's purpose. Jesus knew of this which is why he told Judas to go and do what he needed to do.
While the one that betrayed Jesus, let him be judged worthy of crucifixion, was the high priest Caiphas.When he convened an unlawful court at his palace and judged Jesus guilty of blasphemy. And then sought to get Rome to kill him because he could not so close to Passover. And because such a killing would need be approved by Rome.
The son of Perdition wasn't Judas either.The son of Perdition is the Antichrist.
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that Man of Sin be revealed, the Son of Perdition" 2 Thessalonians 2:3
https://biblehub.com/library/pink/the_antichrist/2_the_man_of_sin.htm
The narrative of Satan entering Judas is an observation of those relating the story.
In point of fact, I believe we're told Judas served God's purpose.
And we may presume he was there for the first communion and the foot washing by Jesus because there is no mention of Judas leaving the upper room in the books of Matthew, Mark or Luke.
Also, Jesus forgave everyone responsible for his death. From the cross he asked the father to forgive them for what they did to put him there. Because they didn't know what they were actually doing.
And that was, fulfilling Jesus purpose in salvation.
In point of fact, I believe we're told Judas served God's purpose.
And we may presume he was there for the first communion and the foot washing by Jesus because there is no mention of Judas leaving the upper room in the books of Matthew, Mark or Luke.
Also, Jesus forgave everyone responsible for his death. From the cross he asked the father to forgive them for what they did to put him there. Because they didn't know what they were actually doing.
And that was, fulfilling Jesus purpose in salvation.