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I realize there are OSAS adherents like yourself who understand the grace of God teaches us that "denying ungodly lusts, we are to live soberly, righteously, and Godly IN THIS PRESENT WORLD" as we await the 2nd coming. I have no quarrel with you or them. It is the liberal version of this philosophy that warrant condemnation both now and in the world to come:
A license grants the bearer permission to partake in the same exact things for which the unlicensed will be punished. That's exactly what OSAS "grace" does.
The other day, FreeGrace2 refused to agree with me that a grace-saved Christian who backslides and becomes an impenitent axe murdering child rapist will not go to heaven - his position is that those who do such will only suffer a loss of jewels in their crowns.
Not, if that ain't a "license to sin" I don't know what is.
A license grants the bearer permission to partake in the same exact things for which the unlicensed will be punished. That's exactly what OSAS "grace" does.
The other day, FreeGrace2 refused to agree with me that a grace-saved Christian who backslides and becomes an impenitent axe murdering child rapist will not go to heaven - his position is that those who do such will only suffer a loss of jewels in their crowns.
Not, if that ain't a "license to sin" I don't know what is.
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Working at your understanding of the 10 commandments is merely the outward evidence of a failed theology.
By arguing that the sabbath is a memorial of creation and not a shadow of what Christ gives (You know, the whole residing in the heart) shows you would rather work at your understanding of the 10 commandments than receive REST from Christ.
By arguing that the sabbath is a memorial of creation and not a shadow of what Christ gives (You know, the whole residing in the heart) shows you would rather work at your understanding of the 10 commandments than receive REST from Christ.
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You noticed it too?
I cannot believe how SO MANY grace filled Christians backslide and then went on a huge murdering spree lately, who would have thought they could become such criminals.
One minute they are proclaiming how they are eternally saved and free from the burden of self-righteousness and dead works and then BOOM over night they become deranged murders. It is really quite baffling.
I just wonder who issued the license to them to do that!!
God forbid that grace should abound where sin abounds, just makes no sense.
I cannot believe how SO MANY grace filled Christians backslide and then went on a huge murdering spree lately, who would have thought they could become such criminals.
One minute they are proclaiming how they are eternally saved and free from the burden of self-righteousness and dead works and then BOOM over night they become deranged murders. It is really quite baffling.
I just wonder who issued the license to them to do that!!
God forbid that grace should abound where sin abounds, just makes no sense.
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You noticed it too?
I cannot believe how SO MANY grace filled Christians backslide and then went on a huge murdering spree lately, who would have thought they could become such criminals.
One minute they are proclaiming how they are eternally saved and free from the burden of self-righteousness and dead works and then BOOM over night they become deranged murders. It is really quite baffling.
I just wonder who issued the license to them to do that!!
God forbid that grace should abound where sin abounds, just makes no sense.
I cannot believe how SO MANY grace filled Christians backslide and then went on a huge murdering spree lately, who would have thought they could become such criminals.
One minute they are proclaiming how they are eternally saved and free from the burden of self-righteousness and dead works and then BOOM over night they become deranged murders. It is really quite baffling.
I just wonder who issued the license to them to do that!!
God forbid that grace should abound where sin abounds, just makes no sense.
But you have no life to offer do you ... if you did that would be your message
Nor do you keep the 10 commandments to the standard it demands ... whining? hypocritical? presumptuous? [how can I break this gently to you]
When you set yourself as judge over God's people, there is no such ministry in the church, that was OT, they had the law therefore they must needs have judges to to apportion blame and administer the penalties for every breech of the law.
But you have set yourself up as judge, you are claiming you are perfect, without sin for only one who is perfect can judge.
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all your heart and mind and strength but you do not and yet upon this, and the other. love thy neighbour as thyself, which also you do not, hang ALL the law and prophets. You see by this how hopeless your case is.
The law holds a mirror up so you can see yourself but it has no power to change your image, the purpose of the law is to make you flee to God for mercy.
That's what we did ... and we found it too.
Nor do you keep the 10 commandments to the standard it demands ... whining? hypocritical? presumptuous? [how can I break this gently to you]
When you set yourself as judge over God's people, there is no such ministry in the church, that was OT, they had the law therefore they must needs have judges to to apportion blame and administer the penalties for every breech of the law.
But you have set yourself up as judge, you are claiming you are perfect, without sin for only one who is perfect can judge.
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all your heart and mind and strength but you do not and yet upon this, and the other. love thy neighbour as thyself, which also you do not, hang ALL the law and prophets. You see by this how hopeless your case is.
The law holds a mirror up so you can see yourself but it has no power to change your image, the purpose of the law is to make you flee to God for mercy.
That's what we did ... and we found it too.
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Please stop with the "he was never saved" OK? That's a subjective claim with no Scripture backing it. In fact:
- it sets you up in the Judgment Seat of Christ
- only God knows the hearts of men
- setting oneself up in that Judgment Seat is the very definition of "anti-christos"- surely you don't want that
Regarding 2 Peter 2:20-22 KJV, a woman can be either pregnant or not pregnant, but not both at the same time. Likewise, a man can either be "entangled" or "escaped", either entangled with Satan or escaped to God. Jesus said we're either with Him or against Him. There is no spiritual Switzerland.
All the promises about eternal security must be understood in the light of conditionality - on condition that we daily choose to be secured - our works are simply the outward evidence of that inward choice. While you may disagree, I think these are points to ponder.
All the promises about eternal security must be understood in the light of conditionality - on condition that we daily choose to be secured - our works are simply the outward evidence of that inward choice. While you may disagree, I think these are points to ponder.
A mother's love is something inexplicable, and is why the most tender expressions of God's love in Scripture are in the context of it. A mother will tenderly toil over the near death body of her cancer ridden child, and while the stench is such that those who come to gather will soon hurry away, that mother will remain his side. The smell is never so great as to drive her away even as she remains there his dying breath.
A child so loved by such a mother can be secure - eternally secure, if you will - in the knowledge that from cradle to grave she will never turn her back on him. Can that same child grow up and choose to hate his mother and turn his back on her? Does doing so detract one ioto from the eternal security of his mother's love proffered to him? God's not in the business of forcing to stay anyone who chooses to leave, either, but those who choose to heed the counsel to "abide in the Vine" and "continue in My word" will always be His "disciples indeed".
A child so loved by such a mother can be secure - eternally secure, if you will - in the knowledge that from cradle to grave she will never turn her back on him. Can that same child grow up and choose to hate his mother and turn his back on her? Does doing so detract one ioto from the eternal security of his mother's love proffered to him? God's not in the business of forcing to stay anyone who chooses to leave, either, but those who choose to heed the counsel to "abide in the Vine" and "continue in My word" will always be His "disciples indeed".
I keep telling you Sinai was not where the Ten Commandments came into existence, but they were codified at Sinai. Do you know what "codify" means? It's when you take already existing laws and arrange them into a structure for the purpose of regulation. Got it? Laws that had already existed. Psalms 111:7-8 KJV says this arrangement by God shall "stand fast forever and ever" because the context is "the works of His hands" - hands with which He used to fashion stones and write that which He didn't even trust a man to write.
I'm sure you don't mean to call Paul's words "asinine", do you?
I'm sure you don't mean to call Paul's words "asinine", do you?
"For I had not known sin except for the law. For I had not known lust except the law hath said, Thou shalt not covet". - Romans 7:7 KJV.
Where does it say in Genesis "God rested the 7th day because of what Christ will give"?
It plainly says He rested, blessed, and sanctified the seventh day "because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made".
Again, the weekly seventh day Sabbath rest was no shadow pointing to the future at all -- it was created as a memorial to the previous six days Creation before sin entered the world and cast its shadow of spiritual darkness, when all was light.
It plainly says He rested, blessed, and sanctified the seventh day "because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made".
Again, the weekly seventh day Sabbath rest was no shadow pointing to the future at all -- it was created as a memorial to the previous six days Creation before sin entered the world and cast its shadow of spiritual darkness, when all was light.