Roe vs WADE is : GONE......
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I did not read anything logical except, stating that both Dems and Repubs are bad which is not a logic argument, what does that have to do with the murdering of unborn babies.
Confirmation bias is not applicable to this topic the science and scripture are both clear it is a human life.
What I have read is highly illogical and conflating two separate discussions.
Well, you chimed in and now you cannot defend or at least make an argument for your post.
Leaves me to believe you and @JTB are really just arguing from emotion and not facts, cause if you had facts you would present them.
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Some believers see the Bible as the word of God, the ultimate authority, and "thou shalt not kill" as being written in stone.
Other people think that these are "nuanced" issues. Yes, the Bible says that homosexuals and fornicators are sins of the flesh, but they are more progressive in their thinking. The Bible says an elder must be the husband of one wife but they see that as sexist and narrow and archaic. Likewise, some see the Bible condemning abortion as a sacrifice to pagan Gods like Molech and Baal, but they see this as involving the liberation of women from the shackles of a OT God.
The way I see it, either Jesus is Lord or you are Laodicea, you have kicked Jesus out of the church and you are doing whatever you want regardless of what the Bible teaches.
Other people think that these are "nuanced" issues. Yes, the Bible says that homosexuals and fornicators are sins of the flesh, but they are more progressive in their thinking. The Bible says an elder must be the husband of one wife but they see that as sexist and narrow and archaic. Likewise, some see the Bible condemning abortion as a sacrifice to pagan Gods like Molech and Baal, but they see this as involving the liberation of women from the shackles of a OT God.
The way I see it, either Jesus is Lord or you are Laodicea, you have kicked Jesus out of the church and you are doing whatever you want regardless of what the Bible teaches.
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I understand your opinion what you have not once given is the facts upon which your opinion is based.
And you still conflate the morality of murdering unborn babies with politics and the social welfare programs.
It has nothing to do with "confirmation bias" that is just your scapegoat for not backing up your claims with facts.
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In fact, we can make a sound argument for why the killing of the unborn babies is wrong from science point of view we do not need to appeal to scripture.
And from the biblical perspective so far I have not seen any biblical argument that supports abortion from @Eli1.
If a person believes that an issue is far more nuanced then provide the evidence, bringing in politics is not making the issue of abortion more nuanced it is a straw man argument and conflation of issues.
When a person denies there are conflating issues then to me they are not being logical and are projecting what they do onto others.
Besides the fact @JTB has not provided any evidence for his claims that abortion is a necessary evil because children will be poor and and not cared for.
And from the biblical perspective so far I have not seen any biblical argument that supports abortion from @Eli1.
If a person believes that an issue is far more nuanced then provide the evidence, bringing in politics is not making the issue of abortion more nuanced it is a straw man argument and conflation of issues.
When a person denies there are conflating issues then to me they are not being logical and are projecting what they do onto others.
Besides the fact @JTB has not provided any evidence for his claims that abortion is a necessary evil because children will be poor and and not cared for.
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I sat here for an hour last night trying to come up with a response because people do in fact deserve facts. But the deeper I dug the more ridiculous it became.
I started out to make the argument that pre-natal care is important. I googled is pre natal care important and there were numerous articles and studies that showed just how important it is. But then I thought well no duh this is so obvious one shouldn't have to quote studies and articles to back it up. It's just a given.
Then I wanted to show how over the last 30 years the average joe has lost the ability to afford that kind of healthcare. And again there was article after study showing how in the last 30 years executive compensation has skyrocketed, along with health care costs, while average Joe's compensation has remained flat or even declined. And again I had to conclude that having to fact check the painfully obvious was again, really unnecessary.
Then I wanted to point out how it is the conservative lobby that has spent the last 30 years stripping workers of pay and healthcare and retirement and vacations while giving tax cuts and incentives to the already rich. And again, there are a myriad of articles and studies that form a long list of facts supporting that. And again, I had to question is it really necessary to illuminate the obvious?
Than I came to the conclusion that those who need these facts laid out in front of them clearly aren't paying attention, and that I could spend countless hours appeasing them and they still would have no interest in taking an unbiased look at it. And I came to the conclusion after that hour that I was just wasting time casting pearls before swine (no offense intended).
It's not the facts you need, those are clearly available if one wants them. It's the bias that says anything that doesn't confirm what one already believes isn't worth paying attention to.
I started out to make the argument that pre-natal care is important. I googled is pre natal care important and there were numerous articles and studies that showed just how important it is. But then I thought well no duh this is so obvious one shouldn't have to quote studies and articles to back it up. It's just a given.
Then I wanted to show how over the last 30 years the average joe has lost the ability to afford that kind of healthcare. And again there was article after study showing how in the last 30 years executive compensation has skyrocketed, along with health care costs, while average Joe's compensation has remained flat or even declined. And again I had to conclude that having to fact check the painfully obvious was again, really unnecessary.
Then I wanted to point out how it is the conservative lobby that has spent the last 30 years stripping workers of pay and healthcare and retirement and vacations while giving tax cuts and incentives to the already rich. And again, there are a myriad of articles and studies that form a long list of facts supporting that. And again, I had to question is it really necessary to illuminate the obvious?
Than I came to the conclusion that those who need these facts laid out in front of them clearly aren't paying attention, and that I could spend countless hours appeasing them and they still would have no interest in taking an unbiased look at it. And I came to the conclusion after that hour that I was just wasting time casting pearls before swine (no offense intended).
It's not the facts you need, those are clearly available if one wants them. It's the bias that says anything that doesn't confirm what one already believes isn't worth paying attention to.
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Stop with the whining and get a job!
Stop blaming others for your problems.
Your statement is not only a lie but is stupid.
I was born in poverty. Left school at 14 to support myself.
Worked 45 years in a grocery store. 40 hours a week.
Raised and educated 2 kids.
Bought a home. Took my kids on vacation every year.
Retired at 60 with a very good income. A retirement home on 187 acres that is paid for.
And by the way, I attended a local church every Sunday and gave 10% of my income to the work of that church.
Most people are poor because of their own doing.
I see it every time I go shopping.
Use those food stamps for food while buying beer, tobacco, and junk food while talking on $300 cell phones.
People like you are the problem.
I do not owe you anything and it angers me that you probably are living off my taxes.
Stop blaming others for your problems.
Your statement is not only a lie but is stupid.
I was born in poverty. Left school at 14 to support myself.
Worked 45 years in a grocery store. 40 hours a week.
Raised and educated 2 kids.
Bought a home. Took my kids on vacation every year.
Retired at 60 with a very good income. A retirement home on 187 acres that is paid for.
And by the way, I attended a local church every Sunday and gave 10% of my income to the work of that church.
Most people are poor because of their own doing.
I see it every time I go shopping.
Use those food stamps for food while buying beer, tobacco, and junk food while talking on $300 cell phones.
People like you are the problem.
I do not owe you anything and it angers me that you probably are living off my taxes.
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