Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation
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Thats your interpretation. Thats not what the word says.
Jesus said he who endures till the end, not he who believed until the end.
once agin, You adding or twisting the word of God
if you do not make it until Christ comes. You did not endure.
Your trying to read to much into it. and refusing to see what is literally being said..
Jesus said he who endures till the end, not he who believed until the end.
once agin, You adding or twisting the word of God
if you do not make it until Christ comes. You did not endure.
Your trying to read to much into it. and refusing to see what is literally being said..
Apparently that is the ONLY VERSE you read.
Not even one comment about the 3 verses I shared with you: Eph 4:30, 1 Thess 5:19 and Eph 5;18. Just crickets.
This isn't salvation. It is being IN FELLOWSHIP with the Lord. All covered in 1 John 1.
Gal 5
Right. This is what believers are commanded to do. And they are already saved.
Not even one comment about the 3 verses I shared with you: Eph 4:30, 1 Thess 5:19 and Eph 5;18. Just crickets.
This isn't salvation. It is being IN FELLOWSHIP with the Lord. All covered in 1 John 1.
Gal 5
Right. This is what believers are commanded to do. And they are already saved.
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Apparently that is the ONLY VERSE you read.
Obviously Bible verses do not lie. But the one you keep reading doesn't mean what you think it means.
I don't believe any verse contradicts any other verse. I've shown you verses that PLAINLY say the opposite of what you claim.
Apparently that is the ONLY VERSE you read.
Obviously Bible verses do not lie. But the one you keep reading doesn't mean what you think it means.
I don't believe any verse contradicts any other verse. I've shown you verses that PLAINLY say the opposite of what you claim.
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Good thought...but, RCC does not embrace ...new age religion thinking...and neither does ...new age religion.....embrace the RCC.
Reason;....the RCC is too enforcing of their controlling standards which ...new age religion types...resent in Christian standards.
Go tell.
I have never done a comparison but, there are probably some interpretations compatible with both groups....since they are wrong...in final analysis.
The ten commandments require an act of will, a work of the flesh to obey. Some of the ten commandments will require some serious work from you. I will give you some examples.
Will you forsake the Sabbath day?
The Sabbath day requires food to be prepared on the day before the Sabbath day. Any activity requiring effort that would normally be done on the Sabbath day. Must be accomplished prior to the Sabbath day.
A second example would be the law against adultery. For the ten (nine) commandment fraternity. Any sexual sin generated by lust must be avoided at all costs. So obviously, your not going to a nudist colony, the beach, your not going to watch movies with sex scenes. That probably includes nearly every movie ever made.
Your not going to read newspapers or magazines, which often have scantly clad women in their adverts. Same goes for the internet.
In fact, you will be greatly restricted in what you can do and places you can go. because of this.
Your flesh loves the world, your flesh desires, even lusts, after everything the world offers. Unfortunately, sex is a big card in the things of the world.
You can't obey two of the commandments let alone ten out of ten.
Will you forsake the Sabbath day?
The Sabbath day requires food to be prepared on the day before the Sabbath day. Any activity requiring effort that would normally be done on the Sabbath day. Must be accomplished prior to the Sabbath day.
A second example would be the law against adultery. For the ten (nine) commandment fraternity. Any sexual sin generated by lust must be avoided at all costs. So obviously, your not going to a nudist colony, the beach, your not going to watch movies with sex scenes. That probably includes nearly every movie ever made.
Your not going to read newspapers or magazines, which often have scantly clad women in their adverts. Same goes for the internet.
In fact, you will be greatly restricted in what you can do and places you can go. because of this.
Your flesh loves the world, your flesh desires, even lusts, after everything the world offers. Unfortunately, sex is a big card in the things of the world.
You can't obey two of the commandments let alone ten out of ten.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-22
Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God for you in Christ Jesus. Do not quench the Spirit, do not utterly reject prophecies, but examine everything; hold firmly to that which is good, abstain from every form of evil.
Did you notice this single instruction in the verses above. This one instruction unravels what a life lived by faith really means.
"pray without ceasing"
It may take some time for Paul's instruction to sink in. But when you understand what Paul is saying, you will understand what a living, active faith, really is!
The Christian life is not an ethical or even a moral journey, unfortunately. The Christian life is a spiritual existence of constant prayer, love, and a deep, sound faith in Jesus Christ. Sound's fanatical, sounds extreme, you will even lose your life. You bet it's extreme.
To be focused on Jesus, twenty four seven, is what Paul was preaching.
I was devastated when I first understood that statement.
Anything, that is not paramount to a complete devotion to Jesus Christ is sin.
"pray without ceasing"
There is no other way to read that statement by Paul, it cannot be interpretated into a more palatable form. It can be ignored, even dismissed, but it still stands as a window, a clear insight. Into what faith in Jesus Christ actually meant in the first century.
Anything that is not of faith is sin.
Sin is everything else you may do, that is not the living, active, spirit filled life in Christ.
Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God for you in Christ Jesus. Do not quench the Spirit, do not utterly reject prophecies, but examine everything; hold firmly to that which is good, abstain from every form of evil.
Did you notice this single instruction in the verses above. This one instruction unravels what a life lived by faith really means.
"pray without ceasing"
It may take some time for Paul's instruction to sink in. But when you understand what Paul is saying, you will understand what a living, active faith, really is!
The Christian life is not an ethical or even a moral journey, unfortunately. The Christian life is a spiritual existence of constant prayer, love, and a deep, sound faith in Jesus Christ. Sound's fanatical, sounds extreme, you will even lose your life. You bet it's extreme.
To be focused on Jesus, twenty four seven, is what Paul was preaching.
I was devastated when I first understood that statement.
Anything, that is not paramount to a complete devotion to Jesus Christ is sin.
"pray without ceasing"
There is no other way to read that statement by Paul, it cannot be interpretated into a more palatable form. It can be ignored, even dismissed, but it still stands as a window, a clear insight. Into what faith in Jesus Christ actually meant in the first century.
Anything that is not of faith is sin.
Sin is everything else you may do, that is not the living, active, spirit filled life in Christ.
Dude. We are not in the great tribulation. Jesus words were written to those who are in the tribulation period. Not to the disciples.Not to people 100 years ago. To people in the tribulation.
If they endure (whoever) they will witness the return of Christ and as such be saved out of tribulation.
It can not mean spiritual life. As moses lifted the serpent so must the son of man be lifted. that whoever believes (places their faith in him ) WILL NEVER DIE and HAS ETERNAL LIFE
unless never does not mean never, and eternal does not mean eternal. Then salvation, once granted, can never be lost.
Why? Because its not based on our deeds or our works, but on the work of Christ on the cross.. Saying you cal lose salvation is an attack on the work and promise of Christ. I just pray people who are trying to earn salvation one day see this fact. And repent.
If they endure (whoever) they will witness the return of Christ and as such be saved out of tribulation.
It can not mean spiritual life. As moses lifted the serpent so must the son of man be lifted. that whoever believes (places their faith in him ) WILL NEVER DIE and HAS ETERNAL LIFE
unless never does not mean never, and eternal does not mean eternal. Then salvation, once granted, can never be lost.
Why? Because its not based on our deeds or our works, but on the work of Christ on the cross.. Saying you cal lose salvation is an attack on the work and promise of Christ. I just pray people who are trying to earn salvation one day see this fact. And repent.
Plainly stated, since Matthew 24:12-13 KJV destroys OSAS, what we have Biblically is salvation that is dependent on our choice to either surrender and remained surrendered or not. Works have nothing to do with anything except to show as outward evidence the inward choice we have made, plain and simple.
The OSAS crowd cannot accept this because of their belief that no one can produce the outward evidence of a truly surrendered heart: obedience. Hence, the OSAS License to Sin.
The OSAS crowd cannot accept this because of their belief that no one can produce the outward evidence of a truly surrendered heart: obedience. Hence, the OSAS License to Sin.
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Is Paul speaking of Gentiles who had never or had not yet converted to Judaism and became "spiritual Jews"? Sure he is!
If I am not at liberty to do anything, then I am not at liberty to break the Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath. If salvation in fact grants me liberty ("license") to break the Ten Commandments, it's exactly what I've been saying it is: a OSAS License to Sin.
If I am not at liberty to do anything, then I am not at liberty to break the Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath. If salvation in fact grants me liberty ("license") to break the Ten Commandments, it's exactly what I've been saying it is: a OSAS License to Sin.
The use of "fulfilling" and "fulfillment" doesn't change the sentiment - there is a law to be fulfilled by Christians and that is the Ten Commandments, which first four we will fulfill if we love God, and the last six we will fulfill if we love our neighbor. If we love God, we'll keep the first four, and if we love our neighbor, the last six.
Jesus said He didn't come to destroy the law, but fulfill, or "to keep" it, not do away with it. Otherwise, we distort Jesus' words into perhaps one of the most ridiculous statements there could ever by: "Think not I am come to destroy the law and the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to do away with". Makes Jesus as confused as the most confused individual on the planet: a white Rastafarian.
Jesus said He didn't come to destroy the law, but fulfill, or "to keep" it, not do away with it. Otherwise, we distort Jesus' words into perhaps one of the most ridiculous statements there could ever by: "Think not I am come to destroy the law and the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to do away with". Makes Jesus as confused as the most confused individual on the planet: a white Rastafarian.
You do realize the Catholics CHANGED the Ten Commandments, right? That upon which they place emphasis are "the doctrines of men", the teaching of which which Jesus called "vain worship".
Are you aware they make it their boast that it is THEY who changed Sabbath from the 7th day to the 1st day, and mock "Protestants" who claim to go by the Bible only, yet can't find a shred of evidence that God changed the day?
www.romeschallenge.com
All honest scholars admit Sunday keeping is TRADITION, not Scripture, as can be seen in all the writings of the founders of the major Christian denominations. Jesus said we "make the law of God of none effect by YOUR tradition". That's why I PLACE MY EMPHASIS on Sabbath, because it's under attack either deliberately or ignorantly by those who claim to go by the Bible but are following tradition - and when any Biblical truth is under attack, Jesus is under attack because He is the "Word of God".
Are you aware they make it their boast that it is THEY who changed Sabbath from the 7th day to the 1st day, and mock "Protestants" who claim to go by the Bible only, yet can't find a shred of evidence that God changed the day?
www.romeschallenge.com
All honest scholars admit Sunday keeping is TRADITION, not Scripture, as can be seen in all the writings of the founders of the major Christian denominations. Jesus said we "make the law of God of none effect by YOUR tradition". That's why I PLACE MY EMPHASIS on Sabbath, because it's under attack either deliberately or ignorantly by those who claim to go by the Bible but are following tradition - and when any Biblical truth is under attack, Jesus is under attack because He is the "Word of God".