Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation
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The problem you have with your interpretation is God chose the nation of Israel. That was physical Israel, the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
The folk that were released from slavery in Egypt were mostly those descendants of Abraham.
Gentile nations were never required to be circumcised but the nation of Israel, by law, was required to be circumcised.
Acts 15 makes this point very clear, Gentiles even though Jesus was Jewish, circumcised, and under the law. Were never required to consider themselves under the law. Gentiles were forbidden from entering the temple. Gentiles could never aspire to the priesthood.
Israel under their national law, were required to honor the sabbath day, but Gentile nations never had the sabbath day enshrined in their law.
The covenant that God established with Israel at Mt Sinai, was a covenant with that nation of people.
Any Gentile living, travelling, with the Jews, could very well become circumcised and celebrate the Passover. Yet, there were many things that a Gentile was prohibited from. Given that the Gentile was not a direct descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
I do not sojourn (live with) the Jews, therefore, I am not a member of the old covenant. The ten commandments are not my law.
The folk that were released from slavery in Egypt were mostly those descendants of Abraham.
Gentile nations were never required to be circumcised but the nation of Israel, by law, was required to be circumcised.
Acts 15 makes this point very clear, Gentiles even though Jesus was Jewish, circumcised, and under the law. Were never required to consider themselves under the law. Gentiles were forbidden from entering the temple. Gentiles could never aspire to the priesthood.
Israel under their national law, were required to honor the sabbath day, but Gentile nations never had the sabbath day enshrined in their law.
The covenant that God established with Israel at Mt Sinai, was a covenant with that nation of people.
Any Gentile living, travelling, with the Jews, could very well become circumcised and celebrate the Passover. Yet, there were many things that a Gentile was prohibited from. Given that the Gentile was not a direct descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
I do not sojourn (live with) the Jews, therefore, I am not a member of the old covenant. The ten commandments are not my law.
So you can commit sorcery, kidnap children, afflict orphans, because you threw the law in the bin. I do not think your interpretation is correct.
On the subject of the ten commandments, not stealing something from someone, is not an act of love towards someone.
Love was defined by Paul.
1 Corinthians 13:4-7
Love is patient, love is kind, it is not jealous; love does not brag, it is not arrogant. It does not act disgracefully, it does not seek its own benefit; it is not provoked, does not keep an account of a wrong suffered, it does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; it keeps every confidence, it believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
Not stealing is not an act of love.
Not telling lies also is not an act of love.
Your interpretation is a traditional interpretation based primarily on the Catholic Church tradition.
The Reformers also followed that tradition, i.e., ten commandments equals natural law.
On the subject of the ten commandments, not stealing something from someone, is not an act of love towards someone.
Love was defined by Paul.
1 Corinthians 13:4-7
Love is patient, love is kind, it is not jealous; love does not brag, it is not arrogant. It does not act disgracefully, it does not seek its own benefit; it is not provoked, does not keep an account of a wrong suffered, it does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; it keeps every confidence, it believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
Not stealing is not an act of love.
Not telling lies also is not an act of love.
Your interpretation is a traditional interpretation based primarily on the Catholic Church tradition.
The Reformers also followed that tradition, i.e., ten commandments equals natural law.
Really? I've already told you that you have to answer my question before I'll answer any of yours. Why won't you comply?
As for simple, this is what I posted in my last post:
FreeGrace2 said:
Please allow me to make this perfectly clear to you.
I believe that WHEN Jesus gives the gift of eternal life, they POSSESS eternal life. John 5:24 says this.
I believe that WHEN Jesus gives the gift of eternal life, the recipient SHALL NEVER perish. John 10:28 says this.
Why don't you believe the Bible and what Jesus says?
You are very confused. The verse about enduring to the end isn't even about salvation. If you lack spiritual discernment, you will not be able to understand any of this.
What isn't simple about that?
When you accept Jesus, what happen, chose what you believe
1. Jesus dwell in you
2. Jesus can dwell in you or not it doesn't matter you still save[/QUOTE]
The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is PERMANENT. Jesus doesn't "come and go".
Now please answer my questions.
As for simple, this is what I posted in my last post:
FreeGrace2 said:
Please allow me to make this perfectly clear to you.
I believe that WHEN Jesus gives the gift of eternal life, they POSSESS eternal life. John 5:24 says this.
I believe that WHEN Jesus gives the gift of eternal life, the recipient SHALL NEVER perish. John 10:28 says this.
Why don't you believe the Bible and what Jesus says?
You are very confused. The verse about enduring to the end isn't even about salvation. If you lack spiritual discernment, you will not be able to understand any of this.
What isn't simple about that?
When you accept Jesus, what happen, chose what you believe
1. Jesus dwell in you
2. Jesus can dwell in you or not it doesn't matter you still save[/QUOTE]
The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is PERMANENT. Jesus doesn't "come and go".
Now please answer my questions.
The word save is in Matt 24 :13 not losing reward but save, why you ad or change the verse?
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
Yep when you do Matt 24:13 like Jesus say He will give you eternal life.
Like I tell you in my country some new convert deny Jesus because persecution are you believe that person still save?
That person not endure than what? Save?
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
Yep when you do Matt 24:13 like Jesus say He will give you eternal life.
Like I tell you in my country some new convert deny Jesus because persecution are you believe that person still save?
That person not endure than what? Save?
I know that, and is not support for your position: you keep saying only Israel had to keep laws like the weekly Sabbath, but I've shown you that even Gentiles who repented from idolatry and turned to follow Jehovah adopted the laws of God like keeping the Sabbath, right or wrong?
The answer is right. If the Christian is free from an obligation to keep the Ten Commandments, please tell us which of the Ten Commandments are we at liberty to break?
The answer is right. If the Christian is free from an obligation to keep the Ten Commandments, please tell us which of the Ten Commandments are we at liberty to break?
That's not my interpretation because I argue the Ten Commandments "stand fast forever and ever", not that they occupy the dust bin.
I don't know which Bible you're reading, but my KJV says "love is the fulfilling of the law" - which says don't steal, don't lie, don't have other gods before God, etc.
You're limiting the definition of "love" to 1 Corinthians 13, which I've shown you above is not so.
No it isn't, it's based on Bible verses like 1 John 5:3 KJV which says "agape" love is demonstrated by happily keeping God's commandments.
"Natural Law" has more to do with undermining the Ten Commandments than it does establishing them, according to the encyclical Rerum Novarum. For instance, "Natural Law" says all goods are "common" so the RCC says it's lawful for a person to steal from one who has abundance in order to satisfy the need of another who has nothing -- God says "thou shalt not steal" but the Catholic church says, "thou shalt steal and feel good about doing it".
I don't know which Bible you're reading, but my KJV says "love is the fulfilling of the law" - which says don't steal, don't lie, don't have other gods before God, etc.
You're limiting the definition of "love" to 1 Corinthians 13, which I've shown you above is not so.
No it isn't, it's based on Bible verses like 1 John 5:3 KJV which says "agape" love is demonstrated by happily keeping God's commandments.
"Natural Law" has more to do with undermining the Ten Commandments than it does establishing them, according to the encyclical Rerum Novarum. For instance, "Natural Law" says all goods are "common" so the RCC says it's lawful for a person to steal from one who has abundance in order to satisfy the need of another who has nothing -- God says "thou shalt not steal" but the Catholic church says, "thou shalt steal and feel good about doing it".
Incorrect, the only folk under the law were the Jews.
Romans 2:14
For when Gentiles who do not have the Law instinctively perform the requirements of the Law, these, though not having the Law.
Careful how you answer that verse.
I am not the one saying that; 'Gentiles who do not have the law', that was Paul, by the way.
You are not at liberty to do anything, other than, love your neighbor. Only through love is true obedience to Jesus achieved. Love fulfills the law. If you want to go out and hurt people like widows and orphans, feel free, because you threw the law in the bin.
The Jews themselves claim it is blasphemy for a Gentile to obey the Sabbath, ask them yourself.
Romans 2:14
For when Gentiles who do not have the Law instinctively perform the requirements of the Law, these, though not having the Law.
Careful how you answer that verse.
I am not the one saying that; 'Gentiles who do not have the law', that was Paul, by the way.
You are not at liberty to do anything, other than, love your neighbor. Only through love is true obedience to Jesus achieved. Love fulfills the law. If you want to go out and hurt people like widows and orphans, feel free, because you threw the law in the bin.
The Jews themselves claim it is blasphemy for a Gentile to obey the Sabbath, ask them yourself.
Your Bible and my Bible are written differently.
Romans 13:10
Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law. (NASB)
Your Bible states.
"love is the fulfilling of the law" (KJV)
See how the two translations above are different. Your under the law and I am not under the law, purely derived from which translation you select.
LOVE DOES NO WRONG TO A NEIGHBOR!
How can love commit a sin?
Romans 13:10
Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law. (NASB)
Your Bible states.
"love is the fulfilling of the law" (KJV)
See how the two translations above are different. Your under the law and I am not under the law, purely derived from which translation you select.
LOVE DOES NO WRONG TO A NEIGHBOR!
How can love commit a sin?
Negative, the Catholics placed the emphasis on the ten commandments. They called it moral law, you belong to a daughter church because you claim exactly the same thing.
1 John specifies the commandments and is not referring to the ten commandments.
1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
1 John 4:7-8
Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
Read John's first letter properly and don't cherry-pick verses.
1 John specifies the commandments and is not referring to the ten commandments.
1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
1 John 4:7-8
Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
Read John's first letter properly and don't cherry-pick verses.
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