Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation
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To be save one must believe Jesus, what believe mean? Mean believe Hus teaching, not only believe that Jesus is God but also believe what is His teaching about how to save
To be save must believe/ faith
Noah believe what God say about the coming float then do work 1000 hours to build an ark
Christian believe what Jesus say in Luke 10 than do love God and neighbor
It is lie if a man say have faith in Jesus but hate god and nrighbor
In Luke 10 a lawyer ask Jesus how to be save and Jesus tell him how to be save
That is to love God mean obey God and love your neighbor, not rob your neighbor, love mean help not kill
25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
To be save must believe/ faith
Noah believe what God say about the coming float then do work 1000 hours to build an ark
Christian believe what Jesus say in Luke 10 than do love God and neighbor
It is lie if a man say have faith in Jesus but hate god and nrighbor
In Luke 10 a lawyer ask Jesus how to be save and Jesus tell him how to be save
That is to love God mean obey God and love your neighbor, not rob your neighbor, love mean help not kill
25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
the lamps are not the Holy Spirit, the oil is -- and the foolish had no oil.
they never had any oil.
they thought they could buy it.
such is the way with all who think to 'purchase' salvation with their own works and willpower: they have no oil, and the Lord doesn't know them. salvation is not 'for sale'
they never had any oil.
they thought they could buy it.
such is the way with all who think to 'purchase' salvation with their own works and willpower: they have no oil, and the Lord doesn't know them. salvation is not 'for sale'
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you honestly do not seem to have the same definition of "Christian" as the Bible does.
no one whose trust is in the Lord will ever be ashamed, and those who depart from us prove they were never one of us.
The Evil One has sown tares among the wheat. tares are not wheat who changed their nature; tares are tares and have never been wheat at all. tares reveal themselves as tares in time to have never been wheat in the first place; they never had the substance of wheat and are nothing but tares disguised as wheat.
do you disagree?
perhaps you ought to tell us your personal definition of what a 'Christian' is?
that would help us come to some kind of mutual understanding that we can proceed from.
no one whose trust is in the Lord will ever be ashamed, and those who depart from us prove they were never one of us.
The Evil One has sown tares among the wheat. tares are not wheat who changed their nature; tares are tares and have never been wheat at all. tares reveal themselves as tares in time to have never been wheat in the first place; they never had the substance of wheat and are nothing but tares disguised as wheat.
do you disagree?
perhaps you ought to tell us your personal definition of what a 'Christian' is?
that would help us come to some kind of mutual understanding that we can proceed from.
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25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
@Goliath was quoting Matthew 25 - in which the word 'never' isn't found.
so it wasn't a misquote.
but Matthew 7 must be put together with it: how many times does God say "I do not know you?"
all those times must be placed together to understand what He means when He says it, just like any other thing in scripture.
that is one of the basics of how to study the Bible. common things have correlation and commonality.
how can omniscience be ignorant of anyone? Matthew 7 informs Matthew 25. it is the same Word.
so when Christ, The Bridegroom comes and says "depart from Me; I do not know you" -- that is equivalent to Matthew 7.
i put "never" because never is implied by study of the scripture.
so it wasn't a misquote.
but Matthew 7 must be put together with it: how many times does God say "I do not know you?"
all those times must be placed together to understand what He means when He says it, just like any other thing in scripture.
that is one of the basics of how to study the Bible. common things have correlation and commonality.
how can omniscience be ignorant of anyone? Matthew 7 informs Matthew 25. it is the same Word.
so when Christ, The Bridegroom comes and says "depart from Me; I do not know you" -- that is equivalent to Matthew 7.
i put "never" because never is implied by study of the scripture.
FreeGrace2 said:
No, Jesus didn't say that. That is just your opinion about what He said.
If Jesus really did mean that, then did Jesus really mean this:
John 5:24 -
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
John 10:28 - I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
So, if He mean a believer without fruit gets thrown into hell, then what did He mean in these 2 verses, which, btw, are very clear.
I just asked you a question. Please don't ignore me and then ask me a question. Please answer my question and then I will answer yours.
Since you believe that John 15 is about going to hell for lack of fruit, then what do YOU think Jesus was saying in John 5:24 and 10:28?
Every believer needs to repent and confess every sin they are aware of. 1 John 1:9
Are you aware that King David raped and murdered? As a SAVED person.
Do you understand figures of speech? Metaphors? Seems that you do not. Jesus was speaking to Jews, who were very proud of their heritage that they were God's chosen people. So to be "cast off" would have been a very horrible thing to them.
No, it does not.
1 Cor 3:14,15
14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward.
15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
Do you understand these verses?
And note: v.15 SAYS "the builder WILL SUFFER LOSS, but yet WILL BE SAVED.
The context is fire applied to the believers works.
No, Jesus didn't say that. That is just your opinion about what He said.
If Jesus really did mean that, then did Jesus really mean this:
John 5:24 -
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
John 10:28 - I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
So, if He mean a believer without fruit gets thrown into hell, then what did He mean in these 2 verses, which, btw, are very clear.
I just asked you a question. Please don't ignore me and then ask me a question. Please answer my question and then I will answer yours.
Since you believe that John 15 is about going to hell for lack of fruit, then what do YOU think Jesus was saying in John 5:24 and 10:28?
Every believer needs to repent and confess every sin they are aware of. 1 John 1:9
Are you aware that King David raped and murdered? As a SAVED person.
Do you understand figures of speech? Metaphors? Seems that you do not. Jesus was speaking to Jews, who were very proud of their heritage that they were God's chosen people. So to be "cast off" would have been a very horrible thing to them.
No, it does not.
1 Cor 3:14,15
14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward.
15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
Do you understand these verses?
And note: v.15 SAYS "the builder WILL SUFFER LOSS, but yet WILL BE SAVED.
The context is fire applied to the believers works.
FreeGrace2 said:
The question was what were the commands for? Salvation or blessings and reward? Do you have an answer?
Please don't ignore my question and then go ask one yourself. That is an insult. Are you questions somehow better than mine?
If you want a discussion with me, then please answer mine and THEN I will answer yours.
You don't get to ask ALL the questions, while ignoring ALL of my questions.
Your refusal to answer my questions demonstrates your inability to answer them.
The question was what were the commands for? Salvation or blessings and reward? Do you have an answer?
Please don't ignore my question and then go ask one yourself. That is an insult. Are you questions somehow better than mine?
If you want a discussion with me, then please answer mine and THEN I will answer yours.
You don't get to ask ALL the questions, while ignoring ALL of my questions.
Your refusal to answer my questions demonstrates your inability to answer them.
my fault -- i alluded to Matthew 7 when i responded, without explaining that chapter 7 comes before chapter 25 -- so you didn't know why i was giving him 7 after he gave me 25
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sometimes i write a lot and it seems like no one reads it. so i try to be short-winded, and it backfires lol
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sometimes i write a lot and it seems like no one reads it. so i try to be short-winded, and it backfires lol
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I think you misunderstood this verse
The builder is Christian
Build a house, the house is ministry
Example
A missionary go to preach the gospel than some people convert
A missionary in that context is the builder
A church is house
Than persecution come to that church and all believer denied Jesus mean will deny by Jesus in front of Hus father mean not save
It mean the house burn
But missionary still save because he not deny jesus
On john 15:6 branch is the Christian not the ministry
No fruit go to fire
In this context fire mean hell
The builder is Christian
Build a house, the house is ministry
Example
A missionary go to preach the gospel than some people convert
A missionary in that context is the builder
A church is house
Than persecution come to that church and all believer denied Jesus mean will deny by Jesus in front of Hus father mean not save
It mean the house burn
But missionary still save because he not deny jesus
On john 15:6 branch is the Christian not the ministry
No fruit go to fire
In this context fire mean hell
I don say salvation by work but more like Jesus explain save people bear the fruit of love or go to eternal punishment as say in Matt 25
Not helping the needy go to hell
Onece again is doesn't mean save by work but save people have Jesus in and bear loving work
Matt 25
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Not helping the needy go to hell
Onece again is doesn't mean save by work but save people have Jesus in and bear loving work
Matt 25
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Let me say it again
Matt 25 do not mean salvation by work helping the poor, salvation is by faith not by work, but real faith will bear loving work
Jesus say depart from me go to eternal punishment because when I am hungry you not feed me
Do not mean go to hell because not doing work helping the poor but not helping the poor demonstrate fake faith or no faith
Salvation by faith not work but real faith bear good work
In other word good work is product of salvation
Impisibke a man say have faith but not have love
Matt 25 do not mean salvation by work helping the poor, salvation is by faith not by work, but real faith will bear loving work
Jesus say depart from me go to eternal punishment because when I am hungry you not feed me
Do not mean go to hell because not doing work helping the poor but not helping the poor demonstrate fake faith or no faith
Salvation by faith not work but real faith bear good work
In other word good work is product of salvation
Impisibke a man say have faith but not have love
Matthew 25 takes place right after the Great Tribulation and is completely different from the Great White Throne Judgment because,,,
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. (Joh 5:24)
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. (Joh 5:24)