The Revelation Of The Mystery Of God!

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

2ndTimothyGroup

Well-known member
Feb 20, 2021
5,883
1,952
113
#21
This is all TRUE.

i wam joining with your heart on the Truth of Circumcision of the Heart unto Salvation.

The OT circumcision was a outward sign of the necessary work of the Holy Spirit on the inward heart of man necessary for Salvation to take place within a man = "for out of the heart comes the issues of life".

The law states that on the 8th Day every male child must be circumcised in order to be accepted under God's Law and His grace.

Yet, even in the OT we SEE the commandment from the LORD for 'hearts to be circumcised'.

OT - Someone had the office of circumcising the newly born male children.

OT/NT = SOMEONE today has the Office of circumcising our hearts unto Salvation.

Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion."
Hebrews ch3
Beautiful, David. I love how you tied this together. It seems that only very few, in fact, the Remnant, who understands Genesis 17 Spiritual Circumcision and that this is the core of the Promises made to the descendants of Abraham. It seems that only the Remant understands that what God did [to] Abraham is what He will do to us . . . those of the Holy Elect.

The below is not a request . . . it is a Holy Edict:

Genesis 17:1-3 NKJV - "When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, "I [am] Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. 2 "And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly." 3 Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying . . ."

Unlike Moses, who threw himself to the ground, it is likely that Abraham felt that Power of God which caused him to fall to the ground; hence, the Power of God instilled Himself upon Abraham SO THAT he would "walk" and be "blameless." And while it is possible that Abraham's heart had already been Circumcised in previous chapters (namely, chapter 15), this is a primary first demonstration of what Spiritual Circumcision looks like . . . an Edict from God. It is a changed Heart commanded by God Himself.

Of course, I could humbly be wrong about these things, but until the Lord shows me that I am . . . I am compelled to stick with these beliefs.
 
Aug 2, 2021
7,317
2,048
113
#22
Beautiful, David. I love how you tied this together. It seems that only very few, in fact, the Remnant, who understands Genesis 17 Spiritual Circumcision and that this is the core of the Promises made to the descendants of Abraham. It seems that only the Remant understands that what God did [to] Abraham is what He will do to us . . . those of the Holy Elect.

The below is not a request . . . it is a Holy Edict:

Genesis 17:1-3 NKJV - "When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, "I [am] Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. 2 "And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly." 3 Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying . . ."

Unlike Moses, who threw himself to the ground, it is likely that Abraham felt that Power of God which caused him to fall to the ground; hence, the Power of God instilled Himself upon Abraham SO THAT he would "walk" and be "blameless." And while it is possible that Abraham's heart had already been Circumcised in previous chapters (namely, chapter 15), this is a primary first demonstration of what Spiritual Circumcision looks like . . . an Edict from God. It is a changed Heart commanded by God Himself.

Of course, I could humbly be wrong about these things, but until the Lord shows me that I am . . . I am compelled to stick with these beliefs.
You are not wrong in any aspect and i am overjoyed in reading your posts and even unto tears.
Please keep me in your prayers as a i am dealing with pain in my body and in my heart for my children.
PEACE Brother - i have to go now.

P.S. - Moses throwing himself to the ground is symbolic of the works of the law whereas Abraham indeed felt the Power of God's Grace upon him for it was a Covenant of Grace that God established for Abraham and his descendants of FAITH.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

Well-known member
Feb 20, 2021
5,883
1,952
113
#24
Please keep me in your prayers as a i am dealing with pain in my body and in my heart for my children.
My Brother in Christ . . . do not be overcome by any of your pain. For to give in to any form of pain is playing the game of the Devil. This is not to say that Satan is working in your life, but it is to say that feeling frustrations is the Old Game of the Devil that we used to play. Do your best not to give in to Old thinking. And again, this is not Old thinking that currently condemns you, nonetheless, it is thinking that can hold you back and perhaps "quench the Spirit". Trust me, though . . . I only speak from Knowledge and am not always able to do these things myself. That said, I believe in you and know that you are more Powerful than I.

Do not be dismayed by physical pain, for this pain keeps you dependent upon your Father in Heaven. If we were to have lives that did not involve pain, would we turn to and depend upon Him? Speaking for myself, I'm not sure that I would.

2 Corinthians 12:8-9 NKJV - "Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. 9 And He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me."

And Paul is right, that receiving Circumcision of Heart is all that you need in this physical world, for to have received this Gracious Gift, you have been given all that you need. Hence, our struggles are mere reminders of this Grace; this act that only comes from the Right Hand of Salvation, our Lord, Savior, and Master . . . our Beautiful and Powerful Jesus Christ Almighty.

And do not be dismayed by the pain that is related to your children. They're not yours. They do not belong to you. Our Powerful God has only loaned them to you so that you might be the example for them. In all your struggles, it is your job to show them exactly and precisely who you want them to become. So, show them what it means to be confident in themselves (contrary to self-hate, guilt, shame, etc). Place your confidence in them regardless of anything they have ever done. Is this not what we see from Paul as he encourages and instills confidence into Timothy (2nd Timothy)? Yes. Instead of Paul chewing Timothy apart for what he was doing (or not doing) at the Church of Ephesus, we find that Paul had finally learned that instead of having an unsavory attitude (as with the Galatians and Corinthians), he opted to instill confidence. Finally, Paul had learned that what was better than speaking harshly to others who were underperforming was to instill confidence . . . a sense of self-belief verses living in fear of . . . fill in the blank.

And so you, too, will begin to instill this same Expectant Confidence into your children, especially when they fall short. So again, be careful not to show any form of disdain, but be ready to instill that Expectant Confidence into them (and they will richly reward you in the future - not that this is your goal or objective, but because it is the right thing to do.)

I love you, Brother David. Keep your head up!

Leviticus 26:13 NLT - "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt so you would no longer be their slaves. I broke the yoke of slavery from your neck so you can walk with your heads held high."