What Constitutes Scriptures?
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The question is what Jesus are they trusting in: The one who died once for all on Calvary, or the one who dies repeatedly, day after day in the mass?
yeah I don’t think Catholics think Jesus dies again every day at least that’s nothing I’ve heard before
it’s like communion Christians take communion based on the one sacrifice that lasts through all time we remember it daily , it doesn’t mean we think Jesus is dying each day again and again
I’m not sure I’ve ever heard a catholic believe that but again Im not very catholic educated. I’ve never heard them claim Jesus dies more than once though
You're kidding. That's what the mass is, a fresh sacrifice of Christ. That's what transubstantiation is all about. Why do you think Christ remains on Catholic crucifixes? They try to say it has nothing to do with a perpetual sacrifice but common sense knows better.
"The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice: "The victim [Jesus] is one and the same: the same [Jesus] now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different. In this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner."—Catholic Catechism; SECTION TWO, THE SEVEN SACRAMENTS OF THE CHURCH; Article 3, THE SACRAMENT OF THE EUCHARIST, V. The Sacramental Sacrifice Thanksgiving, Memorial, Presence; Paragraph 1367.
Every time the mass is performed, Christ is sacrificed anew, only in an "unbloody" manner. But even this is misleading. The laity who partake of the Eucharist don't drink anything; the body and blood of Christ are both considered to be present in the wafer.
See also: https://carm.org/roman-catholicism/the-mass-and-the-sacrifice-of-christ/
You should educate yourself about this. Catholics view the "Eucahrist," as they call it, way differently than the Lord's Supper.
When a Catholic partakes of the Eucharist they believe they're getting "grace points" so to speak. They have to keep adding up fresh grace because His grace on the cross, once for all, isn't enough. All the Catholic sacraments work the same way.
Reminds one of the Charge of the Light Brigade. Was that stupidity or what?people use it like a cannon.
Methinks that you don't even know what an ad hominem is.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/ad-hominem
ad hominem
adjective
1. attacking an opponent's character or motives rather than answering the argument or claim.
2. appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one's intellect or reason.
I've more than answered any arguments or claims here, and I've definitely appealed to people's intellects or reason while doing so.
Anyhow, I found your comment somewhat comical in that you've seemingly been immaturely mimicking me in some of your responses. I could offer at least a couple of examples, but I won't bother.
yeah I’m not sure like I said lol I’m no catholic expert or anything. I’ve honestly never heard and have discussed with Catholics before quite a bit , and never heard them believe Jesus was crucified more than one time on the cross at Calvary like I do
I know they have a lot of “ ceremonial “ and “ idolatrous “ seeming ways of remembering and observing his death and resurrection but honestly I’ve never heard that before
I have my own issues with Catholicism but I’ve never heard that one is all I’m saying I would ask some Catholics of any of them think that is how I would solve it if it mattered to me
my issues just two examples is they altered the Ten Commandments to allow for imagery and idols involved in worship ( a characteristic of Ancient Rome )
and also a big one is this verse
“And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.”
Matthew 23:9 KJV
also third is that darn Pope but I won’t get into that whole deal lol
anyways bro I’m just saying I’ve never heard anyone who thinks that not saying your wrong or anything I’ve never heard such a thing and have looked into it
seems to me mass is a catholic way of observing christs death and resurrection. But that’s just how I understood it like I said though I’m definately not a catholic expert
I do disagree with much of thier doctrine however I also believe denominations of all sorts have faithful people in them
In post #71 you said “THIS is reality, so don't ever let anybody deceive you into believing otherwise.”
As you are surely aware, deception involves intention. You’re assigning the intention to deceive others to your opponents. In this case, the only person talking to you on this point is me.
It’s an ad hominem against my character. Definitely lost a lot of respect for you today and I am quite surprised.
I'm well aware of what I said and of why I said it.
During my three different stints here, I've regularly linked to the following website in relation to the origin and meaning of words, so this is by no means an exception.
Here's what the word "deceive" literally means:
https://www.etymonline.com/word/deceive#etymonline_v_846
deceive (v.)
"mislead by false appearance or statement," c. 1300, from Old French decevoir "to deceive" (12c., Modern French décevoir), from Latin decipere "to ensnare, take in, beguile, cheat," from de "from" or pejorative (see de-) + combining form of capere "to take," from PIE root *kap- "to grasp." Related: Deceived; deceiver; deceiving.
As we just read, the word "deceive" literally means "to take from".
In my post, I mentioned a particular reality, and then I told everybody here to never let anybody deceive you into believing otherwise. In other words, don't ever let anybody take this reality from you, and I offer no apology whatsoever for what I said because I meant it with every fiber of my being, and I still do.
I really couldn't care less whether you or anybody else here respects me or not. The only thing that I'm truly guilty of in our interactions is telling the truth. If that's offensive to you or others, then so be it.
Anyhow, I've got to get ready for work.
You launched an ad hominem against my character as being a deceiver with every fiber of your being and will not apologize for it. I won’t forgive you for it unless you repent.
I’ve seen all I’ve needed to see from the likes of you. Good riddance.
You only rebuke those who have actually trespassed.
If I were you, then I'd simply and humbly ask God who is in the wrong in our dispute and then proceed accordingly based upon his response.
Oh you’ve definitely trespassed against me you’re quickly becoming my enemy because you just don’t know when to stop. A lot of people here have the gall to insult others, launch unprovoked attacks on other’s characters, but the buck stops here. I won’t be bullied or pushed around.
You think God is applauding you for being divisive and bearing false witness against His people? Unbelievable.
You need some serious help (in more ways than one), and I sincerely hope that you find it in Christ.
Seriously, you're going on like a raving lunatic here while using such words and phrases as "insult", "launch unprovoked attacks on other's characters", "bullied", and "pushed around" while stating that "the buck stops here" as if some sort of military campaign is being waged against you.
What "buck"?
Seriously, it's as if you've momentarily (I hope it's only momentarily) lost your mind.
I made one simple and generic comment about not letting ANYBODY deceive you, and I've already honestly explained exactly what I meant by that. If you want to reject the same, while implying that I'm a liar, then just continue on in your delusionary rants.
Personally, I'd recommend falling on your knees before God while asking him what has ACTUALLY transpired here because you're presently living in some sort of fantasy world of your own making (Well, Satan helped).
Furthermore, I've been having conversations on this topic for 33 1/2 years now or since you were 2 1/2 years old. In fact, I initially entered into such discussions while debating atheists and Muslims (separately, and on many different occasions) who were seeking to discredit the veracity of God's word in multiple ways; one of which was by claiming a late writing of the scriptures, thereby allegedly making them unworthy of one's trust. My point is that, contrary to your present delusions (you've got more than one), my comment had a BROAD RANGE OF INDIVIDUALS IN MIND, and not just you. In fact, if you go back and read my post, I began it by addressing it to anybody else because I wasn't even talking to you in that it's an absolute waste of time. I'm only bothering to comment again now because I'm truly concerned about your well-being, and, quite frankly embarrassed FOR YOU.
I mean, even if I was "insulting" you (and I wasn't), is your consequential hissy fit the way that the Bible instructs Christians to respond or react to the same?
Not even close, pal, so save your sermons FOR YOURSELF.
I'm beyond certain that God is more than pleased with the things that I actually said and meant which set off your unwarranted and childish hissy fit. Unlike you, apparently, he knows what I actually said, why I actually said it, AND the broad range of people that I was actually referring to when I said "anybody".
That's reality, and I'm sticking with it.
I'd advise that you acquaint yourself with the same FOR YOUR OWN SAKE.
If nothing else, then you should apologize to everybody here for your childish outbursts (plural) which in no way, shape, or form represent how the Bible instructs a Christian to respond or react to actual persecution (as opposed to your present delusions).
Whatever you decide to do, you can have the last word.