As in the days of Noah... ALL flesh had CORRUPTED itself

[JohnDB]

Nope right back at ya.

Nope.

Never asserted any of those things. But since He
created neither us, nor the angels, to be robots, they had free will to disobey Him. And they did. As did we.
Why do you think we're in this fallen state to begin with, that nothing short of the death of God (Jesus) Himself could fix it!?


Nope

Virtually I've posted is from the 66 Books of cannon.

Nope
Jesus Himself said the end times will be like the days of Noah, when all flesh corrupted itself.

And just because you think you're slick by not actually using the word, you should know that calling another member Satan is a bannable offense.

Why would God create messengers with free will and reproductive organs when the obvious conclusion to Genesis and the Gospels is that humans are the prize God wanted? (Angels having reproductive organs is directly opposite of Jesus's words when asked about a wife that had been passed from family member to family member without children)

One of the things about omnipotence is perfect efficiency. God is always perfectly efficient in his use of power. No spillover effects, no unintended consequences. God never needs to practice. This dovetails with God's omniscience as in God already knows the outcome of every choice long before the question is posed. God knew my personal beginning, middle and glorification date while making the sun, moon, and stars just as well as He knew what he was in the middle of what he was doing.

These issues are ones you have never addressed. There is never a possibility of a battle with God...He will remove the possibility long before you even considered the notion.

 

[Shepherd]

Jesus is also in the book of Enoch.

He's also in the Koran.....

 

[joecoten]

Yes. I think the Book of Enoch has value, but it's not accepted cannon. So it needs to be treated differently than the Bible.

But there is waaaay more than enough in Scripture to prove these things without Enoch.

What I got from Enoch, for me, fleshed out some things in the bible. Enoch, according to Jude, was a prophet of God. Jude 14, 15 comes from 1 Enoch 1:9...I've read the R.H. Charles translation.

 

[PennEd]

Yes, Jesus is the I AM, the Alpha and Omega, The Word. We should all know that. So what is your point? Abraham stood "before the Lord", Moses was "before the Lord", some "sons of God" presented themselves "before the Lord". They stood before God somewhere on planet earth and Satan came too, "the accuser of the brethren" (in this case Job) just like he still does today. Come on man, can we be on the same page about anything?

No we can't You are espousing silliness to say those assembled before God WITH Satan there are humans.

I can't entertain such absurdity any longer. Be well. Bye

 

[JohnDB]

One other thing brought out by your reply is a lack of understanding what Holy, Holy, Holy means.

Holiness is not just a tag like John's boat...the descriptor of "John's" making it distinct from the other boats. Holiness is a state of being that is unique, separate from common, reserved for special use, and then the reactive state of Free From Error. Meaning that any form of error is immediately and completely dealt with.

When Gabriel while talking to Zacharias about his soon to arrive son declared "I Stand in God's throne room " that one statement there was very very telling. Meaning Gabriel was holy enough to not only survive but to serve God personally. Everything else that is not to that level of holiness is instantly destroyed by the Holiness of God's presence.

We, without Jesus acting like some sort of protection, would never stand a chance in God's presence....even the shadow of such things was sufficient to kill people approaching in an unworthy fashion.

 

[PennEd]

Why would God create messengers with free will and reproductive organs when the obvious conclusion to Genesis and the Gospels is that humans are the prize God wanted? (Angels having reproductive organs is directly opposite of Jesus's words when asked about a wife that had been passed from family member to family member without children)

This just tells me you haven't read even the first few pages of the thread.

I'll try once more with you, than it's adios to you as well.

Copy and pasted from page TWO!! Post 32

But I want to address one of the supposedly big points the “sons of God in Genesis 6 are human” crowd like to bring up this verse:
Matthew 22:30
New King James Version
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God IN HEAVEN.

This verse actually supports that the Angels had sex and procreated with human women.

In fact, this is the exact reason why they are in chains in Tartarus right now.

Jude 6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Here Jude tells us these angels left their own “abode, or habitation” . They abandoned their heavenly bodies. The Greek word is “Oiketerion” .

This word is used only one other time in Scripture describing the heavenly body WE will receive upon our resurrection to be like the Angels IN HEAVEN.

2 Corinthians 5:2
New King James Version
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation (oiketerion) which is from heaven,

About as conclusive as you can get.

The sin the angels committed was of a sexual nature, NOT involving their heavenly bodies, NOT committed IN HEAVEN, resulting in imprisonment in the horrible place called Tartarus.

 

[Shepherd]

You are getting your members of the Trinity mixed up. Jesus made several OT appearances, some you have recounted.

Now is this Jesus, God the Son? Or the Lord (Yahweh) God the Father?

Job
38
1Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said:

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Colossians 2:9
.......Christ. 9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 14:8-9

8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

I don't know man. I haven't got all of this figured out. All I know is what it says. I just have to read it and understand what little of it I can.

 

[JohnDB]

This just tells me you haven't read even the first few pages of the thread.

I'll try once more with you, than it's adios to you as well.

Copy and pasted from page TWO!! Post 32

But I want to address one of the supposedly big points the “sons of God in Genesis 6 are human” crowd like to bring up this verse:
Matthew 22:30
New King James Version
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God IN HEAVEN.

This verse actually supports that the Angels had sex and procreated with human women.

In fact, this is the exact reason why they are in chains in Tartarus right now.

Jude 6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Here Jude tells us these angels left their own “abode, or habitation” . They abandoned their heavenly bodies. The Greek word is “Oiketerion” .

This word is used only one other time in Scripture describing the heavenly body WE will receive upon our resurrection to be like the Angels IN HEAVEN.

2 Corinthians 5:2
New King James Version
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation (oiketerion) which is from heaven,

About as conclusive as you can get.

The sin the angels committed was of a sexual nature, NOT involving their heavenly bodies, NOT committed IN HEAVEN, resulting in imprisonment in the horrible place called Tartarus.

Talmud, which is what Jude references, are known fables like Aesops fables....they aren't truth. Known to be fiction.

And yet you haven't addressed any of my concerns about the lowering of God's attributes. But you do so completely willing to lower God at every opportunity.
Claiming that an unknown writer in Egypt in the first century BC has more authority that the rest of scripture combined.

 

[WayneNSO]

It might not be Biblical but makes for great Hollywood movie scripts I am new here, can anyone start a thread on any topic here?

 

[PennEd]

Talmud, which is what Jude references, are known fables

BOOM!!!!!

There it is!

See folks, once you head down this allegory front, you inevitably end up with this type of heresy.

This poster is using his own mind and reason to say that the Lord's half blood brother , Jude, is no better than reading Aesops fables or Harry Potter for that matter.

Why? Just an inability to accept the revealed Truth.

John. Be well. Cling to the Gospel. Because you are in a bad way with a whole lot of other Scripture.

 

[PennEd]

It might not be Biblical but makes for great Hollywood movie scripts I am new here, can anyone start a thread on any topic here?

Yes.

And it's probably a good time to refresh the end of post one now.

When this thread was started, there was at least two other Gen 6 or Nephilim threads going on. Thus I found the need to make this one different:

Post 1

So first I'll lay out SOME of the vast Biblical proof that fallen angels DID mate with human women producing the Nephillim, hybrid race, the ALSO AFTERWARD, and the CORRUPTED flesh.
Then talk about how we are committing the same sin that they did.

But I will NOT be doing much, if any, debating with those that either can't, or won't accept the plain Biblical truth about fallen angels. That is not speculative. I will be doing some speculation, but that fact is not. If there are honest, skeptical questions fine. But otherwise I'd recommend just scrolling on by.

 

[WayneNSO]

Yes.

And it's probably a good time to refresh the end of post one now.

When this thread was started, there was at least two other Gen 6 or Nephilim threads going on. Thus I found the need to make this one different:

Post 1

So first I'll lay out SOME of the vast Biblical proof that fallen angels DID mate with human women producing the Nephillim, hybrid race, the ALSO AFTERWARD, and the CORRUPTED flesh.
Then talk about how we are committing the same sin that they did.

But I will NOT be doing much, if any, debating with those that either can't, or won't accept the plain Biblical truth about fallen angels. That is not speculative. I will be doing some speculation, but that fact is not. If there are honest, skeptical questions fine. But otherwise I'd recommend just scrolling on by.

Thanks for the reply. I totally disagree with you but Id like to know why you think it is important to believe this, maybe you've already said this but I have not read all through the thread

 

[PennEd]

Thanks for the reply. I totally disagree with you but Id like to know why you think it is important to believe this, maybe you've already said this but I have not read all through the thread

Seems like a reasonable request.

But first I'd urge you to read at least the first couple pages of at least my posts, to see if they might answer your questions.

 

[WayneNSO]

Seems like a reasonable request.

But first I'd urge you to read at least the first couple pages of at least my posts, to see if they might answer your questions.

OK - so its all the so called gene therapy, in the so called vaccines and the experiments they do trying to manipulate the genetics of the human race - transhumanism etc yes?

 

[PennEd]

OK - so its all the so called gene therapy, in the so called vaccines and the experiments they do trying to manipulate the genetics of the human race - transhumanism etc yes?

Well yes, but it will entail more.

I posted this the other day, but it's a year old.

 

[WayneNSO]

Well yes, but it will entail more.

I posted this the other day, but it's a year old.

I share these concerns also. Thanks for the reply

 

[Nehemiah6]

The "reason for the flood" is clearly given in Genesis 6
#1 The wickedness of man (verse 5)
#2 The earth was filled with violence(verse 11)
#3 The earth was "corrupt" because of corrupt behavior. "for all flesh had corrupted his way"(verse 12)

And this is exactly what we are seeing at the moment. Instead of angels going after "strange flesh" we have humans reveling in LGBTQ, and doing their utmost to corrupt Pre-Kindergarten and Kindergarten kids. This has never happened before, and there will be severe judgment.

 

[Beckie]

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

This person is lacking any true knowledge of what the people he is slamming believe or understand. I would suggest finding someone else to look at to find out what these people really believe

 

[JohnDB]

BOOM!!!!!

There it is!

See folks, once you head down this allegory front, you inevitably end up with this type of heresy.

This poster is using his own mind and reason to say that the Lord's half blood brother , Jude, is no better than reading Aesops fables or Harry Potter for that matter.

Why? Just an inability to accept the revealed Truth.

John. Be well. Cling to the Gospel. Because you are in a bad way with a whole lot of other Scripture.

Not what I meant or intended....

Jude used Talmud tales to create points he was trying to make. Not that his points were invalid...the sources for his points were no more truth than Star Wars is true....but that in no way invalidates his points.

Yoda is often quoted as the character is known for stating obvious truths. But that doesn't mean that I believe in Yoda or any part of the Star Wars Saga.

Which is what you are doing by including The Book of Enoch into theology....which implicitly states that it is NOT scripture. Why you insist a book that claims it is not scripture is indeed scripture is the hardest thing to overlook.