What does "the coming of the Lord" in the NT refer to?

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Can you explain HOW to be filled with the Spirit? Of course, that would require that you understand the difference between the indwelling and the filling. Are you there yet?

Alright, two words straight from the scripture: EQUALLY YOKED. Me and the Holy Spirit moving in one direction.

So you STILL cannot explain HOW to be filled with the Spirit, even though it is a direct command from the Bible.

The farther we’ve moved, the more spiritual fruits yield.

Yet, you can't even explain HOW to obey the command. Your response infers that this all is automatic or something.

Paul used that analogy to describe the spouses sharing the same faith in marriage, but it’s the same for every individual.

This doesn't address the question of HOW to obey the command to be filled with the Spirit.

Your responses show that you think being filled with the Spirit is automatic.

Yet paul also commands believers to STOP grieving (Eph 4:30) and quenching (1 Thess 5:19) the Spirit.

Do you even know HOW to grieve/quench the Spirit? You'd better, if you really want to be filled with the Spirit.

Because they are diametrically opposed. You cannot be filled with the Spirit AND be grieving/quenching the Spirit.

So you'd better understand each of these things and understand HOW to be filled and HOW not to grieve/quench the Spirit.

As it stands, you seem to understand none of this. Your responses are basically just platitudes. Nothing from Scripture that supports your platitudes.

And this seems to be the state of much of evangelicalism. How many pastors even address any of this?

This is how very important to KNOW all these things.

2 believers can do the very same things in the same evangelical church, one of them being filled with the Spirit and the other one out of fellowship and either grieving or quenching the Spirit. But to observers, they can't tell the difference.

And this is the difference: one is doing the things from the power of the Spirit and the other one is doing those very same thing in the power of their flesh.

That is how important it is to really UNDERSTAND these things.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Alright, two words straight from the scripture: EQUALLY YOKED. Me and the Holy Spirit moving in one direction. The farther we’ve moved, the more spiritual fruits yield. Paul used that analogy to describe the spouses sharing the same faith in marriage, but it’s the same for every individual.

I thoroughly explained the whole issue HOW to be filled with the Holy Spirit in the thread "Do you believe in OSAS (once saved, always saved), post #1,143.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

FreeGrace2 said:
Can you explain HOW to be filled with the Spirit? Of course, that would require that you understand the difference between the indwelling and the filling. Are you there yet?

So you STILL cannot explain HOW to be filled with the Spirit, even though it is a direct command from the Bible.


Yet, you can't even explain HOW to obey the command. Your response infers that this all is automatic or something.


This doesn't address the question of HOW to obey the command to be filled with the Spirit.

Your responses show that you think being filled with the Spirit is automatic.

Yet paul also commands believers to STOP grieving (Eph 4:30) and quenching (1 Thess 5:19) the Spirit.

Do you even know HOW to grieve/quench the Spirit? You'd better, if you really want to be filled with the Spirit.

Because they are diametrically opposed. You cannot be filled with the Spirit AND be grieving/quenching the Spirit.

So you'd better understand each of these things and understand HOW to be filled and HOW not to grieve/quench the Spirit.

As it stands, you seem to understand none of this. Your responses are basically just platitudes. Nothing from Scripture that supports your platitudes.

And this seems to be the state of much of evangelicalism. How many pastors even address any of this?

This is how very important to KNOW all these things.

2 believers can do the very same things in the same evangelical church, one of them being filled with the Spirit and the other one out of fellowship and either grieving or quenching the Spirit. But to observers, they can't tell the difference.

And this is the difference: one is doing the things from the power of the Spirit and the other one is doing those very same thing in the power of their flesh.

That is how important it is to really UNDERSTAND these things.

I've already given you numerous verses and analogies, all from the Scripture, why are you so stiff-necked that you don't bother to read? What you call "quenching" and "grieving" the Spirit is going in opposite direction of the Spirit, which is exactly what I said. JUst because it's not your favorite and familiar verses doesn't mean it's not true or not applicable.

You know what, you keep questioning "how", that reveals YOUR issue, not mine. Do you intend to exploit the mechanism and play tricks? Then you're deceiving yourself. If you're really following the Holy Spirit, you wouldn't be so obsessed with "how" and all those semantics. You just do it like your second nature.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Can you explain HOW to be filled with the Spirit? Of course, that would require that you understand the difference between the indwelling and the filling. Are you there yet?

So you STILL cannot explain HOW to be filled with the Spirit, even though it is a direct command from the Bible.

Yet, you can't even explain HOW to obey the command. Your response infers that this all is automatic or something.

I've already given you numerous verses and analogies, all from the Scripture, why are you so stiff-necked that you don't bother to read?

Well, you sure do misunderstand a lot. I explained that none of your verses explain HOW to be filled with the Spirit. Some of them didn't even address the filling of the Spirit, but only the indwelling of the Spirit, which you apparently confuse as the same thing.

What you call "quenching" and "grieving" the Spirit is going in opposite direction of the Spirit, which is exactly what I said. JUst because it's not your favorite and familiar verses doesn't mean it's not true or not applicable.

These verses are ALL my favorites. So, you STILL can't explain HOW to be filled with the Spirit, when Paul made clear being filled is a command and for believers to STOP grieving/quenching the Spirit. Do you even understand what Paul was saying?

You know what, you keep questioning "how", that reveals YOUR issue, not mine.

Right. It IS an issue. For EVERY believer. Why do you think that specific command isn't an issue for you? You can't explain HOW to be filled. So are you ignoring the command or something?

Do you intend to exploit the mechanism and play tricks?

Stop gaslighting. Either you know HOW or you don't have a clue. So which is it?

Then you're deceiving yourself. If you're really following the Holy Spirit, you wouldn't be so obsessed with "how" and all those semantics.

lol. Obsessed? No, I am asking you HOW to obey the command? What's so obsessive with obeying any command? All you're doing is trying to shift the issue to a non-issue with me.

You just do it like your second nature.

This highly suggests that you think it IS automatic.

Let me give you an example that refutes your notions.

breathing. That is automatic. Yes, your will CAN override the mechanism, but only for a brief time. If you can hold your breath until you pass out, then the automatic mechanism takes over again and you breathe, even though unconscious.

Obeying the command to be filled with the Spirit is NOT NOT NOT "second nature". What a laugh. So much for what you know.

Just know this; until you actually DO understand what the filling is and HOW to obey the command to be filled, you AREN'T living the Christian life. You are living according to your flesh.

I gave you the thread and post # where I fully explained HOW to be filled. I guess you didn't read it.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

FreeGrace2 said:
Can you explain HOW to be filled with the Spirit? Of course, that would require that you understand the difference between the indwelling and the filling. Are you there yet?

So you STILL cannot explain HOW to be filled with the Spirit, even though it is a direct command from the Bible.

Yet, you can't even explain HOW to obey the command. Your response infers that this all is automatic or something.

Well, you sure do misunderstand a lot. I explained that none of your verses explain HOW to be filled with the Spirit. Some of them didn't even address the filling of the Spirit, but only the indwelling of the Spirit, which you apparently confuse as the same thing.


These verses are ALL my favorites. So, you STILL can't explain HOW to be filled with the Spirit, when Paul made clear being filled is a command and for believers to STOP grieving/quenching the Spirit. Do you even understand what Paul was saying?


Right. It IS an issue. For EVERY believer. Why do you think that specific command isn't an issue for you? You can't explain HOW to be filled. So are you ignoring the command or something?


Stop gaslighting. Either you know HOW or you don't have a clue. So which is it?


lol. Obsessed? No, I am asking you HOW to obey the command? What's so obsessive with obeying any command? All you're doing is trying to shift the issue to a non-issue with me.


This highly suggests that you think it IS automatic.

Let me give you an example that refutes your notions.

breathing. That is automatic. Yes, your will CAN override the mechanism, but only for a brief time. If you can hold your breath until you pass out, then the automatic mechanism takes over again and you breathe, even though unconscious.

Obeying the command to be filled with the Spirit is NOT NOT NOT "second nature". What a laugh. So much for what you know.

Just know this; until you actually DO understand what the filling is and HOW to obey the command to be filled, you AREN'T living the Christian life. You are living according to your flesh.

I gave you the thread and post # where I fully explained HOW to be filled. I guess you didn't read it.

You explained nothing in that post. The whole time you're just talking in circles and repeating the same thing like an NPC. Peter was FILLED with the Holy Spirit in Acts 4:8, how did he do that? Because Jesus said so in Matthew 10:19-20, period! Holy Spirit came from God the first time, it came from God at any other time. Holy Spirit is the "sword of the WORD" (Esp 6:17, Heb 4:12), the only offensive weapon beside the armor of God. You wanna be filled with it? Then read your bible, pray fervently, praise God and testify before the enemy instead of lecturing on me.

 

[FreeGrace2]

You explained nothing in that post.

Well, that is your opinion. You don't even know HOW to be filled with the Spirit. You think it is just "second nature".

The whole time you're just talking in circles and repeating the same thing like an NPC. Peter was FILLED with the Holy Spirit in Acts 4:8, how did he do that? Because Jesus said so in Matthew 10:19-20, period!

Show me any post where I have "talked in circles", or quit making up stuff.

otoh, you have clearly demonstrated your own skills as talking in circles. What is an NPC? And you think Peter was filled with the Spirit because "Jesus said so"?

Again, this is noting that Peter was filled. There is nothing about HOW he did it. But I'm not interested in HOW Peter was filled.

All believers have the command to STOP grieving/quenching the Spirit and be filled with the Spirit, and you don't even know the difference, apparently.

Holy Spirit came from God the first time, it came from God at any other time.

Would this be your "HOW" explanation??

Holy Spirit is the "sword of the WORD" (Esp 6:17, Heb 4:12), the only offensive weapon beside the armor of God. You wanna be filled with it?

I DO know HOW to. The question that you STILL haven't answered from Scripture is do YOU know HOW?

Then read your bible, pray fervently, praise God and testify before the enemy instead of lecturing on me.

Do you think this is HOW to be filled with the Spirit??

All you have are very vague responses, not even answers to a specific question about HOW to be filled with the Spirit.

I laid it all out in that post I cited. But it obviously went way over your head, so far over your head that you couldn't even understand the explanation.

That is HOW FAR away from knowing HOW to be filled with the Spirit you are presently.

When a poster tells another poster they didn't understand the post, some will respond back with something like "God only opens the eyes and ears" to a few, and apparently you ain't one of them".

I won't stoop to such a response. However, you might want to consider WHY you didn't understand that post where I expained HOW to be filled with the Spirit.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Can you explain HOW to be filled with the Spirit? Of course, that would require that you understand the difference between the indwelling and the filling. Are you there yet?

So you STILL cannot explain HOW to be filled with the Spirit, even though it is a direct command from the Bible.

Yet, you can't even explain HOW to obey the command. Your response infers that this all is automatic or something.

Well, you sure do misunderstand a lot. I explained that none of your verses explain HOW to be filled with the Spirit. Some of them didn't even address the filling of the Spirit, but only the indwelling of the Spirit, which you apparently confuse as the same thing.


These verses are ALL my favorites. So, you STILL can't explain HOW to be filled with the Spirit, when Paul made clear being filled is a command and for believers to STOP grieving/quenching the Spirit. Do you even understand what Paul was saying?

You explained nothing in that post. .

My explanation came with plenty of verses. Did you not understand of them? They all flowed logically.

So your opinion just shows that you don't know what Paul meant in all those verses.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

But I'm not interested in HOW Peter was filled.

There you said it. Every Christian is filled with the spirit the same way Peter was filled, but actually you’re not interested at all, and you pretend to be an expert wagging your finger at me? You can drop your charade, man. This is getting stinky. I’ve answered your question loud and clear, why do you feel it “vague” if you’ve been there with your personal experience? If you’re really filled with the Holy Spirit, how come that sword of the WORD “vague” to you? A friendly advice from the Lord, go remove the speck from your own eyes before you mock at any plank in my eyes!

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
But I'm not interested in HOW Peter was filled.

There you said it. Every Christian is filled with the spirit the same way Peter was filled, but actually you’re not interested at all,

I am sorry that I'm not able to make this clear enough for you. I said that because my focus is on what YOU think about HOW to be filled with the Spirit. Of course every believer is filled the same way. There are no various ways to be filled.

My question was to YOU, not Peter. If you have a verse that explains HOW Peter was filled, then please share. That would be good.

and you pretend to be an expert wagging your finger at me?

I haven't wagged anything. I DO know HOW to be filled with the Spirit, and I gave you the thread and post # where I laid it all out, and you just dismissed it all by saying that I didn't explain anything. Which is obviously false, as anyone who checked that post SAW that I did explain it. But it is you who are not interested.

You can drop your charade, man.

There is no charade. You are only kidding yourself.

This is getting stinky.

Only because you know you can't answer my question and wish that I would go away.

I’ve answered your question loud and clear,

OK, since you think you did answer my question, please just cite the post #. You have indicated that you think the indwelling and filling are synonymous, which is untrue.

why do you feel it “vague” if you’ve been there with your personal experience?

It is YOUR responses that are vague. Nothing specific, and being filled with the Spirit IS specific.

And I've not even mentioned by "personal experience". btw, personal experience isn't the standard for doctrines. The Bible is the only standard.

If you’re really filled with the Holy Spirit, how come that sword of the WORD “vague” to you?

The sword of the Word isn't vague to me. Your questions are transparent about how little you've understood me.

A friendly advice from the Lord, go remove the speck from your own eyes before you mock at any plank in my eyes!
What have I mocked?? All I've been doing is asking YOU how to be filled with the Spirit, and you haven't given anything specific.

Whether you have a plank in your eye, I have no idea. We're not on zoom. Go look in a mirror and you determine if you have one.

I'm not interested in planks in anyone's eyes. I am interested in HOW you explain being filled with the Spirit.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

FreeGrace2 said:
But I'm not interested in HOW Peter was filled.

I am sorry that I'm not able to make this clear enough for you. I said that because my focus is on what YOU think about HOW to be filled with the Spirit. Of course every believer is filled the same way. There are no various ways to be filled.

My question was to YOU, not Peter. If you have a verse that explains HOW Peter was filled, then please share. That would be good.


I haven't wagged anything. I DO know HOW to be filled with the Spirit, and I gave you the thread and post # where I laid it all out, and you just dismissed it all by saying that I didn't explain anything. Which is obviously false, as anyone who checked that post SAW that I did explain it. But it is you who are not interested.


There is no charade. You are only kidding yourself.


Only because you know you can't answer my question and wish that I would go away.


OK, since you think you did answer my question, please just cite the post #. You have indicated that you think the indwelling and filling are synonymous, which is untrue.


It is YOUR responses that are vague. Nothing specific, and being filled with the Spirit IS specific.

And I've not even mentioned by "personal experience". btw, personal experience isn't the standard for doctrines. The Bible is the only standard.


The sword of the Word isn't vague to me. Your questions are transparent about how little you've understood me.

Why is it such a big deal to you since you don even acknowledge the a Holy Spirit as the Lord co-equal with the Father and the Son in the Holy Trinity?

You can go search what an NPC is by yourself, all I can tell is that an NPC keeps repeating the same dumb talking point because they’ve got nothing else to say, that’s how every demon-possessed brainwashed leftist behaves, and that’s exactly what you’ve been doing, just throwing Esp 5:18 and a couple of other verses at me like a grenade while you run for cover; and even at that you’re doing a lousy job since both “quenching” and “grieving” are mentioned in a context of exhortation instead of chastising some bad apples like Paul did in 1 Cor 5-6.

And moreover, your sick obsession with “how” exposes your ignorance, for there is only WILL or WON’T. If you really have the Holy Spirit in you, then the Holy Spirit will instruct you what to do; and if you follow, he will guide you and show you “How”. Follow or resist, that’s your choice. As a matter of fact, Pharisees and their mob chose to resist (Acts 7:52). If you’d like to follow their example and figure out a “How” in your own style, then suit yourself. “How” indicates that you’d rather depend on your own willpower and your own intelligence, with which you’ll never win a spiritual battle, for the battle belongs to God. So far it seems like you’re not in any better shape than those Pharisees in Acts 7:52, your mind is pretty closed off, you only wanna hear what you wanna hear, and anything else is irrelevant to you.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Why is it such a big deal to you since you don even acknowledge the a Holy Spirit as the Lord co-equal with the Father and the Son in the Holy Trinity?

You have completely either misunderstood what I have posted, or you didn't even read any of it.

I HAVE said that the Trinity IS co-equal in ALL aspects. So your claim here is totally untrue. Apologies will be accepted.

What I did say is that the Holy Spirit isn't addressed as Lord in the Bible. That was my only point. If you know of a verse that does address the Spirit as Lord, then please share.

You can go search what an NPC is by yourself

Well, thank you for your gracious help.

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all I can tell is that an NPC keeps repeating the same dumb talking point because they’ve got nothing else to say, that’s how every demon-possessed brainwashed leftist behaves, and that’s exactly what you’ve been doing

Seems you are getting more and more vicious.

just throwing Esp 5:18 and a couple of other verses at me like a grenade while you run for cover

Oh, I see. I "run for cover" when I quote verses. How interesting that you would have such a biased view when you know nothing at all about me.

Regardless, I do see how much Eph 5;18 bothers you. I shared a verse that is a direct command and you CAN'T explain HOW to be filled with the Spirit. I understand your increasing level of viciousness and such.

and even at that you’re doing a lousy job since both “quenching” and “grieving” are mentioned in a context of exhortation instead of chastising some bad apples like Paul did in 1 Cor 5-6.

Can you explain quenching/grieving means then? Of course the context is exhortation. Do you know what exhortation is for?

Do you think a believer can be filled with the Spirit WHILE grieving/quenching the Spirit?

And moreover, your sick obsession with “how” exposes your ignorance,

Now, this is interesting. I am asking for information from you, and you accuse me of ignorance. Isn't that what questions are for? To gain understanding.

However, instead of providing such information, you have become highly offended and greatly bothered because you can'' answer the question. So you continually attack me. As seen in your comment "your sick obsession". How sad.

If you think my interest in TRUTH is some kind of "sick obsession" it's not me who is sick here.

for there is only WILL or WON’T. If you really have the Holy Spirit in you

This refers to the indwelling, which IS difrerent than filling.

then the Holy Spirit will instruct you what to do

Not when a beliveer is grieving/quenching the Spirit.

and if you follow, he will guide you and show you “How”.

No. He guides WHEN you obey the command to be filled. You are seeing it totally backward. Just like cart before the horse.

Follow or resist, that’s your choice.

This is meaningless if you don't know HOW to be filled with the Spirit. It IS a command to obey. And you don't know HOW.

As a matter of fact, Pharisees and their mob chose to resist (Acts 7:52). If you’d like to follow their example and figure out a “How” in your own style, then suit yourself.

You really don't need to be so nasty about it. Just admit that you don't know HOW or that you don't think it is important to know how.

“How” indicates that you’d rather depend on your own willpower and your own intelligence,

Actually, that is untrue. Paul commands us to be filled. If you don't know HOW, then you CAN'T obey the command. It's that simple.

with which you’ll never win a spiritual battle, for the battle belongs to God. So far it seems like you’re not in any better shape than those Pharisees in Acts 7:52, your mind is pretty closed off, you only wanna hear what you wanna hear, and anything else is irrelevant to you.

Calling me an unbelieving Pharisee is hardly Christian behavior. How do you justify that?

Your nastiness and extreme prejudice in your posts towards a fellow believer shows an example of HOW to grieve and quench the Holy Spirit.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

You have completely either misunderstood what I have posted, or you didn't even read any of it.

I HAVE said that the Trinity IS co-equal in ALL aspects. So your claim here is totally untrue. Apologies will be accepted.

What I did say is that the Holy Spirit isn't addressed as Lord in the Bible. That was my only point. If you know of a verse that does address the Spirit as Lord, then please share.


Well, thank you for your gracious help.

,
Seems you are getting more and more vicious.


Oh, I see. I "run for cover" when I quote verses. How interesting that you would have such a biased view when you know nothing at all about me.

Regardless, I do see how much Eph 5;18 bothers you. I shared a verse that is a direct command and you CAN'T explain HOW to be filled with the Spirit. I understand your increasing level of viciousness and such.


Can you explain quenching/grieving means then? Of course the context is exhortation. Do you know what exhortation is for?

Do you think a believer can be filled with the Spirit WHILE grieving/quenching the Spirit?


Now, this is interesting. I am asking for information from you, and you accuse me of ignorance. Isn't that what questions are for? To gain understanding.

However, instead of providing such information, you have become highly offended and greatly bothered because you can'' answer the question. So you continually attack me. As seen in your comment "your sick obsession". How sad.

If you think my interest in TRUTH is some kind of "sick obsession" it's not me who is sick here.


This refers to the indwelling, which IS difrerent than filling.


Not when a beliveer is grieving/quenching the Spirit.


No. He guides WHEN you obey the command to be filled. You are seeing it totally backward. Just like cart before the horse.


This is meaningless if you don't know HOW to be filled with the Spirit. It IS a command to obey. And you don't know HOW.


You really don't need to be so nasty about it. Just admit that you don't know HOW or that you don't think it is important to know how.


Actually, that is untrue. Paul commands us to be filled. If you don't know HOW, then you CAN'T obey the command. It's that simple.


Calling me an unbelieving Pharisee is hardly Christian behavior. How do you justify that?

Your nastiness and extreme prejudice in your posts towards a fellow believer shows an example of HOW to grieve and quench the Holy Spirit.

I call you a Pharisee - and a leftist - because you have exhibited a hallmark of a Pharisee - and a leftist, which is asking a LOADED question to trap me in. “Why are you grieving/quenching the Holy Spirit?” That’s like asking “why are you still beating your wife?” And then mocking me for not knowing the difference between “indwelling” and “filling” of the Spirit, even though in fact, in biblical language, a believer is like a lamp and the Spirit is the OIL that burns bright, the “fill” is actually a REfill; and did any of the five foolish virgins trying to “grieve” or “quench” the light? Nope, they’ve just run out of oil, that’s why they’re foolish. “BUT BUT BUT that’s just a METAPHOR which doesn’t mean ANYTHING, you can make up any stuff you want with that!” Pfft, give me a break.

And not only that, you’ve turned Paul’s kind words of exhortation into a doctrine and use that to hit me as a weapon. So, basically the opposite of God’s character, what God meant for good, you use it for EVIL to satisfy your own pride. You don’t get your desirable answer, you relentlessly go after me and accuse me of being nasty and ignorant and whatsoever, making me feel bad and questioning my belief, while in fact I know my Bible much better than you, I can always come up with something new and analyze from a different angle with different verses and references, and what you’ve got? Just shouting at me with the same doctrine and the same verses, with a bunch of Christianese semantics trying to confuse me, ‘cause there ain’t no new tricks up in your sleeves. If I take the bait, then I’ll be damed in an endless debate with you on those silly semantics and I’ll be forced to defend myself from your false accusation, and the harder I struggle, the greater the pain. So instead of following your lead, I follow my Lord Jesus with HIS tactics to deal with a loaded question, that is, exposing your INTENTION rather than beating myself up with a response that would never satisfy you.

And I apologize for erroneously assuming Simon the Sorcerer was dead like Ananias when I cited the passage from Acts previously, but I ain’t ever gonna apologize for not speaking in your terms and not being equally obsessed and sensitive with these semantics.

 

[ChristianTonyB]

The concern I have is, that my personal ’terrible day of the Lord’ might be tomorrow. So, I’m wondering, if I die tomorrow, does my flask have enough oil in it to get me into the wedding feast, or will I be left outside in inconsolable grief and unending anguish?

I suspect Jesus would prefer me to focus on discussions that will help me keep my oil flask full, for when He calls ’times up‘ on my earthly life. Has anyone got any advice for me on how I can achieve that please?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Read v.1 over and over. You should finally get it.

I have no problem understanding it. Your the one who decides to claim at that time means ten thousand years after. Or is it 20 thousand years now?

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
You have completely either misunderstood what I have posted, or you didn't even read any of it.

I HAVE said that the Trinity IS co-equal in ALL aspects. So your claim here is totally untrue. Apologies will be accepted.

What I did say is that the Holy Spirit isn't addressed as Lord in the Bible. That was my only point. If you know of a verse that does address the Spirit as Lord, then please share.

I call you a Pharisee - and a leftist

And you are a real "piece of work". I could NOT care less what you think of me. It is sad that you have shown NO fruit of the Spirit at all.

because you have exhibited a hallmark of a Pharisee - and a leftist, which is asking a LOADED question to trap me in. “Why are you grieving/quenching the Holy Spirit?” That’s like asking “why are you still beating your wife?” And then mocking me for not knowing the difference between “indwelling” and “filling” of the Spirit

"mock"? Really? No, I was pointing out that your own words prove that you don't know the difrerence and you even said they they are the same. That isn't mocking. I was pointing out the truth that you don't know the difference, and there IS a huge difference.

even though in fact, in biblical language, a believer is like a lamp and the Spirit is the OIL that burns bright, the “fill” is actually a REfill; and did any of the five foolish virgins trying to “grieve” or “quench” the light? Nope, they’ve just run out of oil, that’s why they’re foolish. “BUT BUT BUT that’s just a METAPHOR which doesn’t mean ANYTHING, you can make up any stuff you want with that!” Pfft, give me a break.

Smokescreen ALERT!!! You have failed to explain anything. All you do is make FALSE charges about me "attacking" you, when the opposite has been true. You CAN'T explain the indwelling vs filling, you CAN'T explain what grieving/quenching is.

And not only that, you’ve turned Paul’s kind words of exhortation into a doctrine and use that to hit me as a weapon.

If I've "hit a nerve", why don't you sit down and meditate over it? Ask the Lord to reveal your inability to explain bibical words.

So, basically the opposite of God’s character, what God meant for good, you use it for EVIL to satisfy your own pride.

And here is a GREAT example of transference. I have given you verses. But you just admitted that I'm using them for EVIL. How pathetic is that?

You don’t get your desirable answer,

I was looking for YOUR understanding of some biblical words, and you consistently FAILED to provide any understanding. Only whining.

you relentlessly go after me and accuse me of being nasty and ignorant and whatsoever, making me feel bad and questioning my belief,

Well, here it is. In black and white (on my computer, at least). You have admitted that your emotions have been getting in the way. So in essence, you ARE HYPER-SENSITIVE and take these posts PERSONALLY.

I don't. I give you truth from verses. You get all emotional about it. But sense you do, why don't you try to figure out what exactly makes you "feel bad"? Is it the FACT that you CAN'T explain the words I asked you to? Well, that SHOULD make you FEEL BAD.

while in fact I know my Bible much better than you,

lol. If you really did, you would have explained the biblical words a long time ago. All you've done is deflect, dodge, and whine about my questions. OH, and the FALSE charges that I use ad hominem. That's what you have been doing.

I can always come up with something new and analyze from a different angle with different verses and references, and what you’ve got?

But you NEVER HAVE "come up" with ANYTHING. So stop claiming what you CAN do, and just DO it.

Just shouting at me with the same doctrine and the same verses

There you go again; your HYPER sensitive emotions are getting in the way again. Calm down and just focus on the Bible.

with a bunch of Christianese semantics trying to confuse me,

It seems you are very easily confused, from what you have posted. And the FACT that you CAN'T explain any of the biblical words.

‘cause there ain’t no new tricks up in your sleeves.

Correct. There aren't ANY tricks up my sleeve. Anyone who follows this thread and our discussion has seen that I've been very straightforward with you. My questions are legit.

the harder I struggle, the greater the pain.

If you wouldn't take any of this personally, there wouldn't be any pain. Your pain is self-induced.

So instead of following your lead, I follow my Lord Jesus with HIS tactics to deal with a loaded question,

My questions are straightforward. Your hyper-sensitive emotions have been getting in the way.

The verses I've shared are part of what Paul called "the mind of Christ" in 1 Cor 2:16. So, if you really mean it when you say you will follow your Lord Jesus, then you need to DEAL with the verses I've shared and understand them. That's all my questions and requests have been for.

that is, exposing your INTENTION rather than beating myself up with a response that would never satisfy you.

The Bible tells believers to NOT judge others. Are you aware of that? Because your comment here IS a judgment of me, and you have NO RIGHT because you have NO KNOWLEDGE of my intentions. All you've done is try to demonize me, which is what the communist LEFT has been doing to conservatives for a long time. You are just like THEM.

And I apologize for erroneously assuming Simon the Sorcerer was dead like Ananias when I cited the passage from Acts previously, but I ain’t ever gonna apologize for not speaking in your terms and not being equally obsessed and sensitive with these semantics.

You do what ever you want. Your biggest problem is your HYPER-sensitivity. When someone asks you a question or an explanation of something, you get all bent out of shape and go on a tirade and accuse me of what you have been doing. Transference is what that is.

 

[FreeGrace2]

The concern I have is, that my personal ’terrible day of the Lord’ might be tomorrow. So, I’m wondering, if I die tomorrow, does my flask have enough oil in it to get me into the wedding feast, or will I be left outside in inconsolable grief and unending anguish?

Oh, good grief! Really? Have you ever trusted completely (that means ONLY) in the finished work of Jesus Christ on your behalf when He died on the cross for you? If yes, then you were given the gift of eternal life, per John 5:24. And Jesus said in John 10:28 that recipients of eternal life SHALL NEVER PERISH.

So, your question shows that you are either unaware of Jesus' promise, or you are but don't believe it.

Salvation isn't about getting your "oil" changed, or a fill up. Not even close.

I suspect Jesus would prefer me to focus on discussions that will help me keep my oil flask full, for when He calls ’times up‘ on my earthly life. Has anyone got any advice for me on how I can achieve that please?

I think Jesus prefers that His children focus on the TRUTH He taught, such as eternal security, rather than on unbiblical notions.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I have no problem understanding it. Your the one who decides to claim at that time means ten thousand years after. Or is it 20 thousand years now?

No, you are still confused. "at that time" is BEFORE the Millennium.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

No, you are still confused. "at that time" is BEFORE the Millennium.

That's what I said. At that time means at that time. Before thd millinium.
Daniel wrote "AT THAT TIME", Then preceded to describe what takes place AT THAT TIME.

AT THAT TIME.
Michael will stand up
There will be a time of destress
Thy people will be deliverd
Many who sleep in the dust will awake.

He never says any of these things will be 1000s of years apart. They all take place AT THAT TIME.

Your the one who has a problem with Daniels words because his words don't jive with your beliefs. So you try to change the meanings of his words and say they all don't take place AT THAT TIME when in fact they do, just as he wrote them.

It shows you can't understand them when you say they are not so.

 

[FreeGrace2]

That's what I said. At that time means at that time. Before thd millinium.
Daniel wrote "AT THAT TIME", Then preceded to describe what takes place AT THAT TIME.

AT THAT TIME.
Michael will stand up
There will be a time of destress
Thy people will be deliverd
Many who sleep in the dust will awake.

He never says any of these things will be 1000s of years apart.

Daniel wasn't given as much info as John was given and saw. Daniel didn't have to say there were 1000 years apart. Revelation makes that clear. I take my understanding of end times from John and Revelation WAY before any OT prophet.

They all take place AT THAT TIME.

Michael stands up. (then) there will be a time of distress. (then) your people will be delivered (at the Second Advent). (then) there will be the FIRST resurrection (Rev 20:5) of believers only. The SECOND resurrection will be for all the unbelievers in order to appear before the GWT judgment and then being cast into the lake of fire.

My view is consistent with all of Scripture.

Your the one who has a problem with Daniels words because his words don't jive with your beliefs.

See above. John had WAY MORE info that Daniel did.

So you try to change the meanings of his words and say they all don't take place AT THAT TIME when in fact they do, just as he wrote them.

The "at that time" refers to Michael standing up. Then follows the Tribulation, and then follows the Second Advent, with the resurrection of the saved.

It shows you can't understand them when you say they are not so.

I've just shown you the consistency of what Daniel meant and it ALIGNS with what John wrote. The way you are taking Daniel creates a conflict with what John wrote.

How do you reconcile your conflict?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Daniel wasn't given as much info as John was given and saw. Daniel didn't have to say there were 1000 years apart. Revelation makes that clear. I take my understanding of end times from John and Revelation WAY before any OT prophet.


Michael stands up. (then) there will be a time of distress. (then) your people will be delivered (at the Second Advent). (then) there will be the FIRST resurrection (Rev 20:5) of believers only. The SECOND resurrection will be for all the unbelievers in order to appear before the GWT judgment and then being cast into the lake of fire.

My view is consistent with all of Scripture.


See above. John had WAY MORE info that Daniel did.


The "at that time" refers to Michael standing up. Then follows the Tribulation, and then follows the Second Advent, with the resurrection of the saved.


I've just shown you the consistency of what Daniel meant and it ALIGNS with what John wrote. The way you are taking Daniel creates a conflict with what John wrote.

How do you reconcile your conflict?

The people daniel wrote about being having been asleep in the dust were not unbelievers. They are all believers including those who rise to everlasting shame and contempt.
Because you can not comprehend this, you decide they must be unbelievers. You decide Daniel must be talking about some different resurection that takes place some other time.
Daniel never stated the unbelievers would rise nor does revelation. Those are your words.