Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

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kenallen said:
Hang in there I am with you. Alot of people just can not seam to get that Jesus returnes once and only once and that is at the 7th trump.
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God gives strong delusion to all nonelects.
In order for Satan to come out, Satan and his demons need to destroy people's trust in their governments. The reason why there are so many stumbling blocks=wars, famines, inflation and more. End of civilization=always a rise and fall of nations. 2nd attempt of tower of babel. Satan wants unity. Christ wants division.
 
In the very last heart beats of this age leading to the Greatest Tribulation ever, many, if not all, heads of state will mosst likely be servants of the Enemy..

I believe this due to the need for th workings ofmankind aiding the final days coming, and most convinicing, the faact that in Revealtion there is a reference to a specific number of Saints to need be completed before all is finished. This tells me there will be a majority of demons running about while the people of understanding *Daniel) will be few.
 
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HatedForNoReason said:
If you love God, you will obey God. You will reject sin, when tempted.

1 John 2:15-17
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15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
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Amen. Those who fight against the Ten Commandments do so because they find them "grievous" -- which is exactly the OPPOSITE of what they ought to be to those who genuinely love Jesus, genuine love for Him being the difference maker.
 
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kenallen said:
Hang in there I am with you. Alot of people just can not seam to get that Jesus returnes once and only once and that is at the 7th trump.
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No.... you've got that all wrong. Revelation trumpets are post rapture judgment trumpets. Furthermore, the book of Revelation was written long after paul had died.

Paul was undoubtedly speaking about an OT trumpet analogy. Take your pick..

https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=Trumpet&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1
 
What does Paul dieing have anything to do with Gods timeing or the book of Revelation. There are 7 trumps, 7 vials, 7 seals. Satan shows up 6th trump, 6th vial, 6th seal "666" Jesus showes up 7th trump, 7th vile, and 7th seal. You find the frist reseraction in Revelation 20.
 
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kenallen said:
What does Paul dieing have anything to do with Gods timeing or the book of Revelation. There are 7 trumps, 7 vials, 7 seals. Satan shows up 6th trump, 6th vial, 6th seal "666" Jesus showes up 7th trump, 7th vile, and 7th seal. You find the frist reseraction in Revelation 20.
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Evidently you are confused. The Church has already been raptured and seen in chapters 4 and 5 of Revelation. Chapters 6 through 19 constitute the 70th week of Daniel, typified as occurring in "the night" in the "darkness", the "birth pangs" being the seals of sixth chapter.

The Church does not experience the night, the darkness or the birth pangs......or any other features pertaining to the judgments of the 70th week of Daniel. This because the Restrainer the Holy Spirit has lifted His restraint such that the man of sin is finally revealed per 2Thes 2. The Church is raptured before this event ever occurs......because God continues to graciousy restrain until the rapture.

Christ has already harpazo-ed His bride per His earlier promises made in John 14. The Church is long gone and does not experience anything of the wrath of God during the 7 year tribulation. The Church is nowhere mentioned anywhere in Rev chapters 6 through 18.
 
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cv5 said:
Evidently you are confused. The Church has already been raptured and seen in chapters 4 and 5 of Revelation. Chapters 6 through 19 constitute the 70th week of Daniel, typified as occurring in "the night" in the "darkness", the "birth pangs" being the seals of sixth chapter.

The Church does not experience the night, the darkness or the birth pangs......or any other features pertaining to the judgments of the 70th week of Daniel. This because the Restrainer the Holy Spirit has lifted His restraint such that the man of sin is finally revealed per 2Thes 2. The Church is raptured before this event ever occurs......because God continues to graciousy restrain until the rapture.

Christ has already harpazo-ed His bride per His earlier promises made in John 14. The Church is long gone and does not experience anything of the wrath of God during the 7 year tribulation. The Church is nowhere mentioned anywhere in Rev chapters 6 through 18.
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Nope, God will pour out His spirit upon the two witnesses (Rev. 11:3), who are God's two "lampstands", and it's abundantly clear that a lampstand symbolizes a CHURCH. That downpour of His Spirit is the Latter Rain. It is written in multiple books that the Holy Spirit would descend as the "early rain" and the "latter rain", also known as the "spring rain" and the "autumn rain" (James 5:7, Joel 2:23, Jeremiah 5:24, Deuteronomy 11:14, Zechariah 10:1). If the church were gone, then who's supposed to be there to receive that latter rain?
 
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kenallen said:
What does Paul dieing have anything to do with Gods timeing or the book of Revelation. There are 7 trumps, 7 vials, 7 seals. Satan shows up 6th trump, 6th vial, 6th seal "666" Jesus showes up 7th trump, 7th vile, and 7th seal.
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Satan is not "showing up" in the 6th seal. That seal describes the second coming.
 
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You guys-n-girls still duped by the Laodecian mantra of 'pre-trib blather'.

Read 1 & 2Thessalonians and believe all that is written therein.
It's all there and the Apostle John also bears Witness to it in 1 John chapter 2.

TRUTH is easily understood when you stop arguing against it and Let Go of the false church hype.
 
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ewq1938 said:
Satan is not "showing up" in the 6th seal. That seal describes the second coming.
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He is going to show up, when people lose their trust in their governments. But he is only going to be here a little session before the real Jesus Christ comes to burn the whole universe=everyone is going to see it. Later create new heaven and new earth.


2 Thessalonians 2:7-12
King James Version

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked (Satan) be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them (nonelects) strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 
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Carry_Your_Name said:
Nope, God will pour out His spirit upon the two witnesses (Rev. 11:3), who are God's two "lampstands", and it's abundantly clear that a lampstand symbolizes a CHURCH. That downpour of His Spirit is the Latter Rain. It is written in multiple books that the Holy Spirit would descend as the "early rain" and the "latter rain", also known as the "spring rain" and the "autumn rain" (James 5:7, Joel 2:23, Jeremiah 5:24, Deuteronomy 11:14, Zechariah 10:1). If the church were gone, then who's supposed to be there to receive that latter rain?
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2 Thessalonians 2:3-4
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3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first (as the wheat and tares grow, the more it is revealed who is elect and who is nonelect), and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


1 John 2:19
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19 They went out from us, but they (nonelects) were not of us (God's elects); for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
 
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cv5 said:
Evidently you are confused. The Church has already been raptured and seen in chapters 4 and 5 of Revelation. Chapters 6 through 19 constitute the 70th week of Daniel, typified as occurring in "the night" in the "darkness", the "birth pangs" being the seals of sixth chapter.

The Church does not experience the night, the darkness or the birth pangs......or any other features pertaining to the judgments of the 70th week of Daniel. This because the Restrainer the Holy Spirit has lifted His restraint such that the man of sin is finally revealed per 2Thes 2. The Church is raptured before this event ever occurs......because God continues to graciousy restrain until the rapture.

Christ has already harpazo-ed His bride per His earlier promises made in John 14. The Church is long gone and does not experience anything of the wrath of God during the 7 year tribulation. The Church is nowhere mentioned anywhere in Rev chapters 6 through 18.
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All I can say is read 1 Corninthians 15 and Revelation 21
 
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kenallen said:
All I can say is read 1 Corninthians 15 and Revelation 21
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So
seven seals, seven trumpets, and seven bowls in the Book of Revelation
are pictures of the same event but from different perspectives? Same as Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and other books in the bible.
 
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