Do you believe in (OSAS) Once Saved, Always Saved?

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posthuman

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arthurfleminger said:
OSAS suggests that, after receiving Christ and the Holy Spirit, nothing can take away our salvation. So, I guess Jesus was just joking when He said, "But then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you. Depart from Me, you who practice evil.’ Mathew 7:23
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did you catch the part about "never" knowing them?
He is talking about people who were never saved.
 
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ResidentAlien said:
No one can "lose" their salvation since salvation isn't complete until we die or the Lord comes. We can only succeed or fail to finish the race.
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How can we know we have eternal life if we cannot know in the present that we are already saved?


1 John 5:11-13 + John 6:47
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ResidentAlien said:
No one can "lose" their salvation since salvation isn't complete until we die or the Lord comes. We can only succeed or fail to finish the race.
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Jesus said it is finished

Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
 
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posthuman said:
did you catch the part about "never" knowing them?
He is talking about people who were never saved.
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This has been answered several times , but does not seem to be noticed...I believe because the fear in their heart of losing their Salvation , they only look at the words on the top , instead of searching the Scriptures to know what they mean...
That word NEVER should bring them comfort , but instead they read it as it is for them , unless one is not a Christian , then they would have every right to fear...
...xox...
 
Blain

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A-Sword-Cometh said:
Correct, because we still have to run the race and endure to the end. We must hold the faith until the end.

Think of it like this in an analogy. A husband and wife, they have a relationship. They are supposed to stay married unto the end and be faithful unto the end. If the wife is obedient and faithful they will stay together. However say after a few years the wife is totally rebellious, a whore even, literally unfaithful, and so the husband having no pleasure in her divorces her. Can that woman say then she is once married always married and enjoy the benefits thereof? Or will the unfaithful and rebellious woman be utterly cast away into outer darkness?
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I see where you are going with this and it almost works except for the this one thing- it would require for God to divorce us and it would require for salvation to be based on our own merit not ont eh blood of Christ

But Jesus said
John 6:37-40

All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
He will never cast out... this doesn't sound like he would divorce us and as for us being unfaithful we are all unfaithul every day in some way or another we sin in one way or another and in his kingdom not even one sin is allowed which is why we are covered in his sons blood so that it is not by our own merit we enter the kingdom but by the blood of Christ.

We do not own the deed to our salvation that deed was paid for and bought by the blood of Christ we cannot lose what we do not own for i ti snot in our hands to lose to begin with it is in the fathers hands and we cannot snatch it from his hands or we are thieves
 
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Blain said:
I see where you are going with this and it almost works except for the this one thing- it would require for God to divorce us and it would require for salvation to be based on our own merit not ont eh blood of Christ

But Jesus said
John 6:37-40

All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
He will never cast out... this doesn't sound like he would divorce us and as for us being unfaithful we are all unfaithul every day in some way or another we sin in one way or another and in his kingdom not even one sin is allowed which is why we are covered in his sons blood so that it is not by our own merit we enter the kingdom but by the blood of Christ.

We do not own the deed to our salvation that deed was paid for and bought by the blood of Christ we cannot lose what we do not own for i ti snot in our hands to lose to begin with it is in the fathers hands and we cannot snatch it from his hands or we are thieves
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Do you know there are two women that represent the spiritual kingdoms yet?
 
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awelight said:
I am having a little trouble following your point. Are you saying that one can change their mind up to the point of being sealed? However, once sealed, they cannot give up the faith? Or that they can give up the faith and still be saved.
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We are saved by grace instantaneously upon placing our faith in Jesus Christ and are sealed with His blood. If one is to lose their faith they are a kin to a sheep that has become lost, and Jesus states He will leave the 99 sheep in order to find the one that has become lost. We cannot lose our salvation because Jesus will not lose a single one who belongs to Him.
 
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ResidentAlien said:
Definitely have some hardcore


Wow. So once I'm sealed I'm free to do anything I want. Hey, I like the sound of that. I don't know anyone who wouldn't want some of that.
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When you’re sealed your desire is to do good to glorify God. Look at yourself at this very moment; you’re acting like a DB but it doesn’t threaten your salvation. That’s grace.
 
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JAPOV said:
God knew his flock from the foundation of the Earth, and His flock recognizes His voice.

The rest are just "those who roam the Earth"
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The great news of the Gospel, my brother, is that Jesus roams the Earth in search of those who are roaming the Earth.
 
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A-Sword-Cometh said:
I answered you as bluntly and directly as I could. I said Exactly, meaning Yes, to your question of thinking it is important to be with other believers. How do you not understand?
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You said exactly, which means you don’t think it’s important. Again, reading comprehension is essential. I’m starting to see why you many not get along with others.
 
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ResidentAlien said:
That's irrelevant. My relationship with Him isn't the topic of the thread.
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Your relationship with God is the whole point of this thread...

You don't seem to realize that your Spirit is being tested... as you would condemn those OF THE SPIRIT.
When Christ cleared out the temple, do you believe anyone there was led by the Spirit?
Do you deny the power of the Spirit.......?
My point is, I'm not so sure EVERYONE can be BAPTIZED IN THE SPIRIT...
Free will is an illusion... You only have 2 choices; Follow God... Or not.
God knew his flock from the foundation of the Earth, and His flock recognizes His voice.
Do you believe that you belong to God?

I acknowledge that I'm a sinner, I even sin in my own ignorance, but knowing what I'm truly capable of is what grieves my Spirit. My Spirit convicts me because I know where sin leads, I know the wages of sin. I cling to the Spirit because I know it is Life! I adore the Spirit because it Saved my life. Without the Spirit I have no Life. The Spirit awakened me to Life. The Spirit leads me in my new Life.

Last question... What kind of fool could possibly give up the Spirit that saved him?
 
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