Do you believe in (OSAS) Once Saved, Always Saved?
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Once one is in possession of the Holy Spirit - it would be impossible to reject God because the person so in possession, would never have thoughts of rejecting God. To do that, would require the Holy Spirit to lead one into rejection of Himself.
By the way, the translation of our Lord's model prayer for us, is a terrible translation in most Bibles. There are seven "Imperatives" (An imperative is: An emphatic request or Command.), used here in the Greek (Usually translated by the English word "Let" - when it is an emphatic request). Additionally, the translation rendered... "and lead us not into temptation" would imply that God "tempts" people and that would be a direct violation of what God has said in His Holy Word.
James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no man:
If I may, the following is a better translation from the Koine Greek:
Our Father, the one in the heavens;
Let your name be hallowed. (First Imperative)
Let your kingdom come. (Second Imperative)
Let your will be done; (Third Imperative)
just as [it is] in heaven also upon [the] earth.
Let us, this day, be given our daily bread. (Fourth Imperative)
Let our debts be forgiven; (Fifth Imperative)
even as we have forgiven our debtors.
Let us not be carried into temptation; (Sixth Imperative)
but let us be delivered from the evil one. (Seventh Imperative)
For yours is the Kingdom and the Power,
and the Glory, forever. Amen.
Probably not. There were only 120 gathered together at Pentecost. 120 - after three and a half years of our Lord's teaching. Not a lot.
I believe in free will that brings forth irrevocability regarding grace and salvation through faith in Jesus Christ.
Whaaaaa??? How does surrendering to the will of God make anyone a robot?
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Uh oh, someone’s getting snarky. The logic is perfect in that we have free will to believe or not believe in Jesus Christ. For those of us who put our faith in Him, we are saved by grace through faith instantaneously, and His blessings are irrevocable.
I would say, agree with God, or not
I agree with God concerning my state before Him. I agree with Who He says He is is and what He says He has done, and that because of Who He is and what He has done, He is worthy of all praise and honor and glory. I agree that I am lost without Him, that I need Him more than He needs me, and yet He gave the life of His only begotten Son that I may be reconciled to Him
I hope, one of these days, someone is going to put forth a good explanation for what this statement truly means:
So we're all a bunch of robots then?
How does it make one a robot? In what way are we robots? Is the robot programmed and that's it? Or does the robot have AI?
I’m not understanding your point. Free will means we have the opportunity to make a choice. What am I missing?
In other words we lose our free will once we're "saved."
Let me ask you this: Once we're "saved," are we free to become an unbeliever or abandon our faith?
I would say, agree with God, or not
1Jn_4:19 We love, because he first loved us.
