Ministry Of Deliverance
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Yeah but your comment speaking about the concordance using a KJV definition. So we need to look at a lexicon.
This free online lexicon
By:
Thayer and Smith. "Greek Lexicon entry for Daimonizomai". "The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon". . 1999.
Daimonizomai
The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 1139Original WordWord Origin
daimonizomaimiddle voice from (1142)
Transliterated WordTDNT Entry
Daimonizomai2:19,137
Phonetic SpellingParts of Speech
dahee-mon-id'-zom-aheeVerb
Definition
NAS Word Usage - Total: 13
demon-possessed 11, demoniacs 2
We still have demon possessed so. Multiple translations in English doesn't get us to the etymology of the word.
Can Bible gateway provide more sources?
This free online lexicon
By:
Thayer and Smith. "Greek Lexicon entry for Daimonizomai". "The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon". . 1999.
Daimonizomai
The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 1139Original WordWord Origin
daimonizomaimiddle voice from (1142)
Transliterated WordTDNT Entry
Daimonizomai2:19,137
Phonetic SpellingParts of Speech
dahee-mon-id'-zom-aheeVerb
Definition
- to be under the power of a demon.
NAS Word Usage - Total: 13
demon-possessed 11, demoniacs 2
We still have demon possessed so. Multiple translations in English doesn't get us to the etymology of the word.
Can Bible gateway provide more sources?
Sorry, nothing in gen 3 says demons were created because of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. that is the point. Jesus is the only person who spoke on that topic. " blasphemy of the Holy Spirit " is an action done against the Holy Spirit Which Jesus said is Speaking ill of HIM. Using Gen 3 and Rev and not providing the scripture to support your understanding doesn't make it so.
Oh yes, right there at the start we're introduced to the old serpent. The old serpent then breaks the Spirit of Truth into the Three Lies and casts them into the woman's mind and her mind is overrun and she becomes possessed and eats the fruit and gives to man and he not knowing she is possessed, eats too. Then their eyes were opened, and they did not become like God, nor did they not die, nor did they have freewill to eat from the tree they find out real fast. Immediately they know fear for the first time, but nevertheless God calls out to them and the man confesses first telling God everything he knows, then the woman, and God doesn't even ask the dragon, he just curses him right there and that's how he got the name Satan.
I have already posted the scriptures, so just go back a few pages. Or crack your Bible open, I have already told you what books and chapters this is in.
I have already posted the scriptures, so just go back a few pages. Or crack your Bible open, I have already told you what books and chapters this is in.
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I think what Jake Kail is doing is making people think they're being oppressed or attacked by demons when really they're just in bondage to their own flesh. They don't need to be freed from demons they need to deny themselves and follow Him.
Kail's written a lot books that are misleading people. They should put down Kail's books and pick up their Bibles.
Kail's written a lot books that are misleading people. They should put down Kail's books and pick up their Bibles.
“I think my issue lies within the gray area that scripture isn't clear on and people make whole doctrines out of it. For instance you never see where Christians are commanded to exorcise demons. It isn't in the gifts. We assume because people did during Jesus's ministry.”
yes I share the same thought it happens in many areas we go beyond what’s really there.
I think the idea is if one is full of the Holy Spirit in truth other spirits are subject to the spirit of God. Ultimately if we filled with the lords spirit just the knowledge and understanding of that being true keeps us safe from evil spirit l
Spirit is subject to God.
I don’t find doctrine for excorcism either many things like that I have the same issue with if something is there is scripture is one thing but to invent proscriptions without them actually bekng written is , well , beyond my own level of undersdatnding anyways
I think we fight evil spirit daily through prayer , and just adhering to the gospel as we learn I believe the doctrine is what keeps us out of spiritual trouble
it’s interesting how much is occurring that we don’t really understand fully
yes I share the same thought it happens in many areas we go beyond what’s really there.
I think the idea is if one is full of the Holy Spirit in truth other spirits are subject to the spirit of God. Ultimately if we filled with the lords spirit just the knowledge and understanding of that being true keeps us safe from evil spirit l
Spirit is subject to God.
I don’t find doctrine for excorcism either many things like that I have the same issue with if something is there is scripture is one thing but to invent proscriptions without them actually bekng written is , well , beyond my own level of undersdatnding anyways
I think we fight evil spirit daily through prayer , and just adhering to the gospel as we learn I believe the doctrine is what keeps us out of spiritual trouble
it’s interesting how much is occurring that we don’t really understand fully
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Remember he sent the 70 out to heal the sick and cast out devils also. Jesus said he gave them authority over all the power of he enemy and that they would tread on serpents and scorpions. Luke 10. We see Paul saying similar things in his letters so we believe that Paul understood this to apply to all believers also.
Mark 16 said believers would cast out devils.
In the book of Acts we see examples of casting out devils continuing. The reason it is not one of the gifts of the Spirit listed in Romans 12 or 1 Cor 12-14 is because it is not done to believers in the church. Christians aren't possessed with devils. It is done when you Go out to the world and preach the Gospel. There might be a demon possessed person try and crash your church meetings and any believer can cast it out in Jesus name.
Mark 16:17 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils;
Mark 16 said believers would cast out devils.
In the book of Acts we see examples of casting out devils continuing. The reason it is not one of the gifts of the Spirit listed in Romans 12 or 1 Cor 12-14 is because it is not done to believers in the church. Christians aren't possessed with devils. It is done when you Go out to the world and preach the Gospel. There might be a demon possessed person try and crash your church meetings and any believer can cast it out in Jesus name.
Mark 16:17 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils;
I agree. This is why I get skeptical when someone says you need special discernment to know if someone is demon possessed or as Jake calls in demon influenced because he eliminates possessed.
He believes since the Jews brought demons as idols into the physical temple of God, humans can also within the body as a temple.
But that is technically an assumption and jump in logic. I found the name of the fallacy that fits what I think I see as the The Correlation/Causation Fallacy.
That would mean both the physical temple is the same as the body. But I believe there are differences. Especially when God is present.
He believes since the Jews brought demons as idols into the physical temple of God, humans can also within the body as a temple.
But that is technically an assumption and jump in logic. I found the name of the fallacy that fits what I think I see as the The Correlation/Causation Fallacy.
That would mean both the physical temple is the same as the body. But I believe there are differences. Especially when God is present.
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Yeah I mostly am referring to a Christian having a demon.
Of course, unbelievers are easy pray for demons to possess and the curses (judgements) of God.
But when introduced to the light, all things darkness can not occupy the same space. Watch the shadows, everywhere the light goes, they flee and hide until the light has surrounded the object and the darkness disappears.
Of course, unbelievers are easy pray for demons to possess and the curses (judgements) of God.
But when introduced to the light, all things darkness can not occupy the same space. Watch the shadows, everywhere the light goes, they flee and hide until the light has surrounded the object and the darkness disappears.
yep I have the same ideas as tou honestly I don’t really
Know fully but tha yes why I have my thoughts I guess lol
My simple head believes we know evil by evil works so someone like for instance Ted Bundy ( not sure your age but ) he was definately full Of an evil spirit if not many
or really any person who does Horibbly evil things to Me this is the evidence of evil spirit I have it if the places and spaces in tbier mind and heart made for Gods holy spirit but the worldly evil inhabits those desires and motivations and all of those non physical attributes within us that leads us to do what we do
mankind is made a vessel for Gods Holy Spirit to be our infuence , conscience and guide through life rimless us in discernment but many have spirits of the world which are corrupt spirits of Satan
“In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.”
1 John 3:10 KJV
ultimately mans life is his spirit whether it’s a spirit from God or corrupted by the devil is manifest by what we do in life good Or evil
“He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; the field is the world;
the good seed are the children of the kingdom;
but the tares are the children of the wicked one; the enemy that sowed them is the devil;
the harvest is the end of the world;
and the reapers are the angels.
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
Matthew 13:37-43 KJV
Men become Gods children receiving and walking with his spirit and satans chiildren by receiving his spirit in the world and serving it
Know fully but tha yes why I have my thoughts I guess lol
My simple head believes we know evil by evil works so someone like for instance Ted Bundy ( not sure your age but ) he was definately full Of an evil spirit if not many
or really any person who does Horibbly evil things to Me this is the evidence of evil spirit I have it if the places and spaces in tbier mind and heart made for Gods holy spirit but the worldly evil inhabits those desires and motivations and all of those non physical attributes within us that leads us to do what we do
mankind is made a vessel for Gods Holy Spirit to be our infuence , conscience and guide through life rimless us in discernment but many have spirits of the world which are corrupt spirits of Satan
“In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.”
1 John 3:10 KJV
ultimately mans life is his spirit whether it’s a spirit from God or corrupted by the devil is manifest by what we do in life good Or evil
“He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; the field is the world;
the good seed are the children of the kingdom;
but the tares are the children of the wicked one; the enemy that sowed them is the devil;
the harvest is the end of the world;
and the reapers are the angels.
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
Matthew 13:37-43 KJV
Men become Gods children receiving and walking with his spirit and satans chiildren by receiving his spirit in the world and serving it
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yes exactly there’s no doctrine or instruction for “Excorcosm “
but simply the one filled with the Holy Ghost , commanded spirits out of people
“And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.”
Acts 16:18 KJV
sort of it’s just the Holy Spirit in a person that has the authority over an evil spirit
so like Jesus Paul just said go by the holy spirit and the spirit went …..
but simply the one filled with the Holy Ghost , commanded spirits out of people
“And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.”
Acts 16:18 KJV
sort of it’s just the Holy Spirit in a person that has the authority over an evil spirit
so like Jesus Paul just said go by the holy spirit and the spirit went …..
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I agree. Most unbelievers are NOT demon possessed. No Born Again Believers are demon possessed.
It is common among the homeless street people. The world will only recognize it as mental issues. But they are guessing because they can't prove it most of the time with any kind of medical science. And they can't cure them. Medication can put them catatonic but they're still demon possessed.
Very few have the faith to cast them out today. They say they do, but not many will try.
Even those who believe in casting out devils don't seem to eager to try.
They would rather meet with a bunch of believers and give it lip service and pretend to be doing it while believers pretend to be getting delivered so that they can all make it look like something is happening. They spend too much time trying to make what they are doing fit into what they read in the bible when everyone knows that is not what the bible was talking about.
They should go street preaching and they will get the chance to cast out real demons.
That's my gut feeling about all this. I could be wrong. But I probably am not.
I do believe in casting out demons of real demon possessed people and you can find them on the streets and in prisons more often than you will a spirit filled church. Those people in that Spirit Filled church are demon possessed they are just Flaky Christians that seem to have no discernment. And I am not talking about the gift of discerning of spirit which is a good thing to have when casting out demons, but I mean that these flaky Christians don't seem to have natural common sense discernment.
Every church has them. We tolerate them and try to help them out but we know that the elevator does not go all the way to the top and we know that they will go from one fad to the next never seeming to get smarter from past mistakes. The Y2K crowd. Going from one emotional hyped crisis to the next never acknowledging that they were wrong about the previous craziness they got caught up in.
It is common among the homeless street people. The world will only recognize it as mental issues. But they are guessing because they can't prove it most of the time with any kind of medical science. And they can't cure them. Medication can put them catatonic but they're still demon possessed.
Very few have the faith to cast them out today. They say they do, but not many will try.
Even those who believe in casting out devils don't seem to eager to try.
They would rather meet with a bunch of believers and give it lip service and pretend to be doing it while believers pretend to be getting delivered so that they can all make it look like something is happening. They spend too much time trying to make what they are doing fit into what they read in the bible when everyone knows that is not what the bible was talking about.
They should go street preaching and they will get the chance to cast out real demons.
That's my gut feeling about all this. I could be wrong. But I probably am not.
I do believe in casting out demons of real demon possessed people and you can find them on the streets and in prisons more often than you will a spirit filled church. Those people in that Spirit Filled church are demon possessed they are just Flaky Christians that seem to have no discernment. And I am not talking about the gift of discerning of spirit which is a good thing to have when casting out demons, but I mean that these flaky Christians don't seem to have natural common sense discernment. Every church has them. We tolerate them and try to help them out but we know that the elevator does not go all the way to the top and we know that they will go from one fad to the next never seeming to get smarter from past mistakes. The Y2K crowd. Going from one emotional hyped crisis to the next never acknowledging that they were wrong about the previous craziness they got caught up in.
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