Do you believe in (OSAS) Once Saved, Always Saved?
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"And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight—if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard."—Colossians 1:21-23
Why would he warn them not to be moved if it was impossible?
Why would he warn them not to be moved if it was impossible?
Yes but you folks are moved away from the hope of the gospel, the hope of the gospel is everlasting life, that's what you heard isn't it? why are you now doubting it.?
It's not salvation that is in jeopardy but that ye might not be holy and blameless and without reproach.
How can folks be grounded and steadfast? when they torn between being saved and being lost.
How can you preach salvation? the first question folks will ask is "are YOU saved?" that's the end of your preaching for you can't say yes.
It's not salvation that is in jeopardy but that ye might not be holy and blameless and without reproach.
How can folks be grounded and steadfast? when they torn between being saved and being lost.
How can you preach salvation? the first question folks will ask is "are YOU saved?" that's the end of your preaching for you can't say yes.
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Gee Willikers, Mr Wilson. Since I'm already saved and my salvation can't be taken from me, then I can do any nefarious deed, no matter how sinful. And why shouldn't I pleasure myself with all that this world offers? After all I'm saved, so I can have both this world and heaven too!!!!!!!!!!! How great is that? What a deal!!!!
Nothing is beyond my wildest desire now, as Michael Jackson's song went, "Don't Stop Til You've Had Enough'. Thanks to the doctrine OSAS, I can have it all and heaven too!!!!!!!!!!!! All the debauchery, pleasures, and hate toward all those I despise.
Nothing is beyond my wildest desire now, as Michael Jackson's song went, "Don't Stop Til You've Had Enough'. Thanks to the doctrine OSAS, I can have it all and heaven too!!!!!!!!!!!! All the debauchery, pleasures, and hate toward all those I despise.
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This shows that you are clueless as to what salvation is. what the new birth is.
Do you think salvation is from hell? don't you know that salvation is from sin? how could someone saved from sin behave as you have said?
Do you know somebody who acts that way/ I don't and I've been in this thing for more than 45 years.
Do you think salvation is from hell? don't you know that salvation is from sin? how could someone saved from sin behave as you have said?
Do you know somebody who acts that way/ I don't and I've been in this thing for more than 45 years.
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The Lord promised this Reward in Heaven to St. Peter and the Twelve: "Mat 19:27Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? 28And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. 30But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first." Every believer will have his own reward (see 1 Cor 3:8), but the Apostles received more for their labors.
Yet, when Judas sinned and fell, he lost Salvation and this Privilege, of being one to judge the 12 Tribes of Israel. Some commentators say it was instead given to Matthias, whom the Apostles chose, and others that it was given to St. Paul, whom the Lord Himself chose.
The Lord's Promises are conditional on faithfulness to the Covenant. See the example in 1 Sam 2: "30“Therefore the Lord, the God of Israel, declares: ‘I promised that members of your family would minister before me forever.’ But now the Lord declares: ‘Far be it from me! Those who honor me I will honor, but those who despise me will be disdained."
For me, these 2 verses are enough: "Be thou faithful until death: and I will give thee the crown of life." (Rev 2:10). The Lord did not say "Be OSAS, and I will give you the Crown of Life", but "Be thou faithful until death". Faithfulness until death is the condition to gain the reward. Eternal Life is at the same time a Gift of Grace and a Reward mercifully promised for being faithful to God unto death.
And Mat 24: "12Because of the multiplication of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold. 13But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved." Someone said the Lord is speaking of perseverance through trials. The passage says many will grow cold in love, i.e. they will fall from their first love (compare: "2I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: 3And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. 4Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent." (Rev 2:2-5)
To the questions posed to me, how many times can one lose Salvation? Salvation is having the Holy Spirit. If you die having the Holy Spirit, you are saved. When you believe and are baptized, you receive the Holy Spirit. When you sin unto death, you lose the Holy Spirit.
So, if you lose the Spirit, you lose Salvation. If, after being born again/justified, you never sin mortally/unto death, you will be saved.
If you go on sinning, you may lose desire to repent. But if you repent, you will be saved. It is conditional/dependent on being faithful.
The reason some verses say we already have Eternal Life is because we have the Spirit, and the Spirit is called Life in many passages.
Rev 22:12 "And, behold, I come quickly; and My reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be."
Rom 2:6 "He will render to each one according to his works: 7to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life". See what the verse says? He will (future) give eternal life to those patient in well doing.
God Bless.
Yet, when Judas sinned and fell, he lost Salvation and this Privilege, of being one to judge the 12 Tribes of Israel. Some commentators say it was instead given to Matthias, whom the Apostles chose, and others that it was given to St. Paul, whom the Lord Himself chose.
The Lord's Promises are conditional on faithfulness to the Covenant. See the example in 1 Sam 2: "30“Therefore the Lord, the God of Israel, declares: ‘I promised that members of your family would minister before me forever.’ But now the Lord declares: ‘Far be it from me! Those who honor me I will honor, but those who despise me will be disdained."
For me, these 2 verses are enough: "Be thou faithful until death: and I will give thee the crown of life." (Rev 2:10). The Lord did not say "Be OSAS, and I will give you the Crown of Life", but "Be thou faithful until death". Faithfulness until death is the condition to gain the reward. Eternal Life is at the same time a Gift of Grace and a Reward mercifully promised for being faithful to God unto death.
And Mat 24: "12Because of the multiplication of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold. 13But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved." Someone said the Lord is speaking of perseverance through trials. The passage says many will grow cold in love, i.e. they will fall from their first love (compare: "2I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: 3And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. 4Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent." (Rev 2:2-5)
To the questions posed to me, how many times can one lose Salvation? Salvation is having the Holy Spirit. If you die having the Holy Spirit, you are saved. When you believe and are baptized, you receive the Holy Spirit. When you sin unto death, you lose the Holy Spirit.
So, if you lose the Spirit, you lose Salvation. If, after being born again/justified, you never sin mortally/unto death, you will be saved.
If you go on sinning, you may lose desire to repent. But if you repent, you will be saved. It is conditional/dependent on being faithful.
The reason some verses say we already have Eternal Life is because we have the Spirit, and the Spirit is called Life in many passages.
Rev 22:12 "And, behold, I come quickly; and My reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be."
Rom 2:6 "He will render to each one according to his works: 7to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life". See what the verse says? He will (future) give eternal life to those patient in well doing.
God Bless.
If you really think that way then, either there's no Spirit in you, or you're Catholic... 
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