Stopping Global Abortions

kaylagrl · May 14, 2022

Post #36:

"RISK MANAGEMENT" FOR SPIRITUAL-MINDED CHRISTIAN COUPLES TRYING TO DETERMINE WHETHER "this present evil world"* IS IDEAL FOR CHILDREN

*4 Who gave himself . . . , that he might deliver us from this present evil world, . . . : (Galatians 1:4, KJV)

whisperer (a.k.a. "MrAllarGoners"):

SECULAR MUSINGS OF A DEATH ROW INMATE

III. Execution Chamber EPIPHANY

THE MOST TRAGIC EVENTS in every person's life are a person's very own CONCEPTION AND BIRTH,

[an opinion perhaps shared by the author of Ecclesiastes 4:3]

which makes every person's DEATH,
every new case of UTTER UNCONSCIOUSNESS FULLY RESTORED,
a HAPPY ENDING.

[an opinion clearly shared by the author of Ecclesiastes 4:2]

ECCLESIASTES 4:2-3; 1:18; 9:5, NIV:

2 And I declared that the dead,
who had already died,
are happier than the living,
who are still alive.

3 But better than both
is the one who has never been born,
who has not seen the evil
that is done under the sun.

18 For with much wisdom comes much sorrow;
the more knowledge, the more grief.

In other words,
the more consciousness, the more grief,
and
the less consciousness, the better,

5 For the living know that they will die,
but the dead [ and the unborn ] know nothing; . . .

SECULAR MUSINGS OF A DEATH ROW INMATE

IV. Dark, Deprecatory AFTERWORD

QUESTION

HOW CAN A PRISONER CONDEMNED TO DIE MAKE THE MOST OF HIS OR HER FINAL DAYS (or years) OF LIFE UPON THIS BEASTLY AND BLOODSTAINED, TINY AND TRULY AWFUL PLANET?

ANSWER

IN ADDITION TO ENJOYING A LIFE OF EASE--ALBEIT ONE BEHIND BARS--AND CONTINUING TO VALUE AND SUSTAIN A FAIRLY SOUND MIND IN A FAIRLY SOUND BODY, A DEATH ROW INMATE CAN SPEND AS MUCH TIME AS POSSIBLE BEING DEEPLY UNCONSCIOUS, THAT IS TO SAY, WHOLLY AND COMPLETELY UNAWARE OF THE FROTHY AND FLEETING PERSONAL EXISTENCE ABOUT TO BE EXTINGUISHED, AN EXISTENCE NOT UNLIKE THAT WHICH COUPLES EVERYWHERE ARE EITHER THOUGHTLESSLY OR HEARTLESSLY IMPOSING UPON POOR, UNFORTUNATE, UNCONSENTING OFFSPRING, UPON HAPLESS, HELPLESS INFANTS BEING DRAGGED WITHOUT MERCY INTO AN ALIEN AND UNAPPEALING WORLD, A WORLD NOT ONLY WIDELY REGARDED AS AN UNSETTLED AND UNSAFE PLACE TO BE BUT A WORLD WHICH REALLY AND TRULY IS INHERENTLY UNSTABLE AND TERRIBLY INSECURE AND THEREFORE ENTIRELY UNSUITABLE FOR THE CHILDREN OF PARENTS WHO CLAIM TO LOVE THEIR KIDS AND WANT WHAT'S BEST FOR THEM.*

*IN BRINGING AN INNOCENT CHILD INTO THIS INIQUITOUS AND TURBULENT WORLD, CRIMINALLY CARELESS OR UNCARING ADULTS SET THAT YOUNGSTER ON A COLLISION COURSE WITH DANGERS AND DISEASES AND DEATH, WITH DIFFICULTIES AND DISAPPOINTMENTS AND DISCOMFORTS, WITH DISAGREEABLE PAIN OR PERHAPS A DISHEARTENING DISABILITY, WITH DESPICABLE PEOPLE AND DETESTABLE PESTS AND PATHOGENS, WITH UNTOLD HEADACHES AND HEARTACHES AND WITH THE VERY REAL POSSIBILITY OF AN EARLY AND/OR UNTIMELY DEMISE.

I certainly hope you're not advocating for abortion. Surely not. Secondly, this entire opinion is totally against God's plan.

Proverbs 17:6 Children’s children are a crown to the aged, and parents are the pride of their children."

Proverbs 10:1 "A wise son brings joy to his father...

Psalm 127:3-5 "Children are a heritage from the Lord, offspring a reward from him."

Luke 18:16 "But Jesus called them to him, saying, “Let the children come to me, and do not hinder the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.' "

JOHN 16:21 “When a woman gives birth, she has pain because her time has come. But when the child is born, she no longer remembers her distress because of her joy that a child has been born into the world.”

CS1 · May 16, 2022

One of the strangest excuses I have heard for abortion comes from Professing chritians and African American Christians after explaining to them the origin of Planned Parenthood. I have been told by many Christians, that abortion is wrong yet so is bringing a child into the world that will starve, or be abused. Is that statement true? BUT Is it biblical?

The answer I believe after much prayer and looking at the word of God for me is a resounding NO!

Why? it seems moral and practical not to bring children into a world where they will possibly die due to starvation as in many third-world countries. I have heard some say: "who going to take care of them you ?" "Foster care- is not a good place either. and adoption will not handle all of them" .

These are all valid arguments. However is it Biblical?

No.
the word of God records 100 verses in context to God knowing us before we were born. Was starvation a reality in the bible? Yes. what about child abuse? yes.

the Word of God:
Jem 1:5
God said, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations.”

Gal1:15 "But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace,

Isaiah 44:2 Thus says the Lord who made you, who formed you from the womb and will help you: Fear not, O Jacob my servant, Jeshurun whom I have chosen.

Luke 1:41 And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the baby leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit,

Psalm 139: 13 For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb.

100 verses in the word of God like these here in both the Old and New Testament

The Word of God is truth.

Not human morality. Not human rationale or emotional content.

it is clear Abortion is men and women playing God because they walk after the flesh not in the Spirit. Able's Blood cried from the Ground to GOD! and the blood of the murdered do this something day and night. Starvation and even abuse are not reason enough to murder innocent blood. God will deal with all who support such wickedness and try to justify it with false compassion.

It is nothing more than one Playing god. and that is also idolatry. Those who are professing Christians who ask whose going to take care of them must ask God if they are to open their homes. YET much of the starvation and abuse of children would stop IF corrupt Governments would not profit from abortion. Abortion is not the cause of starvation and children being born surely is not the cause.

WE as Christian Must stand for life. In and out of the womb.

ZNP · May 16, 2022

CS1 said:

Acts 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that ye abstain from things sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication; from which if ye keep yourselves, it shall be well with you. Fare ye well.

Aborted fetuses are things that are sacrificed to idols. Whether or not the person having the abortion views it this way is irrelevant, the fact that it is an integral sacrifice in the worship of Moloch, it is a blood sacrifice, it is strangled, it is the product of fornication.

One of the biggest objections to putting restrictions on abortion is that it puts restrictions on fornication and it puts restrictions on the worship of idols.

When we were told to abstain from "things that are sacrificed to idols" this is not a trivial command. In the worship of idols they will use drugs. Whether or not the drugs are legal is secondary, we are told to abstain from them because they open you to the evil spirits.

Many movies are satanic and idolatrous. You should abstain from them. People get nightmares, what is that but demonic forces trying to invade you.

Same thing with abortion. Women who have abortions are opening themselves up to demonic attack, condemnation, slander, nightmares, etc.

1Corinthians 5:11 but as it is, I wrote unto you not to keep company, if any man that is named a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a one no, not to eat.

If a person tells me they are a confessing Christian and they are also an idolater, or fornicator, or any of these other things, I will not continue to have fellowship with them. Once I knew a student in college who was a fornicator and also claimed to be a born again Christian. I referred to him as an unbeliever. He was offended and wanted to know why. I explained that if he is an unbeliever I can still preach the gospel to him, but if he wants to maintain that he is a believer while being a fornicator then I can't. We need to call out sin.

1Corinthians 8:10 For if a man see thee who hast knowledge sitting at meat in an idol’s temple, will not his conscience, if he is weak, be emboldened to eat things sacrificed to idols?

Rock and Roll concerts, sporting events -- these things are idol temples. Just watch 5 minutes of the Super bowl halftime show and it is plainly evident they are depicting idol worship. Same thing with the Olympics. You may think it is nothing, but if you set an example for others and they are damaged as a result you will have to account for that.

1John 5:21 My little children, guard yourselves from idols.

Idolatry is a very real threat to the children of God. Pergamos and Thyatira allowed all kinds of evil in.

Revelation 2:20 But I have this against thee, that thou sufferest the woman Jezebel, who calleth herself a prophetess; and she teacheth and seduceth my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed to idols.

Paul told us we could not partake of the Lord's table and also the idol's table.

ZNP · May 17, 2022

A glossary of terms

I know it can be hard to keep up, but let's at least try.

Anti democratic -- when the Supreme court ruled that the decisions about abortion could go to the States to decide by letting the people vote on it.

Violence -- When people speak out concerning a pro life stance.

Passion -- understandable responses to the Supreme court ruling like fire bombing places with Molotov cocktails.

Domestic Terrorism -- Taking a selfie at the capitol building or voicing concerns at a school board meeting.

Whining by Republicans -- any concerns voiced over inflation, border security, or the rise in crime.

Right wing terrorism -- When a leftist who hates Trump and the Republicans goes to the grocery store and shoots ten people.

Transitory -- that refers to record breaking inflation that leads to a recession and a great depression.

5% -- As in there are 5% of the posts on twitter are bots. Understand that this equals 50%.

Biggest risk to democracy -- an affectionate term for mothers of children in public school

Racism -- the magic word that explains everything for the left. This is why Lori Lightfoot was never crowned Miss America, it is why people mock Kamala Harris, this is why people at the border are upset at the millions coming across, it is why we don't have enough baby formula or why oil has jumped in price. This is why people put Jussie Smollett in jail.

true_believer · May 18, 2022

There are places in the Bible where abortion is permitted under certain circumstances.
The Book of Numbers, Chapter 5 for example.

kaylagrl · May 18, 2022

true_believer said:

No, that wasn't an abortion though many try to use it as an excuse to get one.

ZNP · May 18, 2022

true_believer said:

Can you explain how a chapter about a husband being jealous and thinking his wife has committed adultery is a chapter about abortion and God permitting abortion.

ZNP · May 18, 2022

kaylagrl said:

Nothing worse than an abortionist expounding the Bible.

whisperer · May 20, 2022

CS1 said:

Greetings, CS1!

CS1 (Post #42): " . . . the word of God records 100 verses in context to God knowing us before we were born."

one of several examples provided by CS1:

"Psalm 139:13 For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb."

GOD: And?

CS1: WE as Christians MUST stand for life. In and out of the womb.

GOD:

13 . . . "I am going to put an end to all people, . . . I am . . . going to destroy . . . them . . . 17 I am going . . . to destroy all life . . . every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything . . . will perish. 4 . . . I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature . . . " (Ge 6.13,17; 7.4, NIV84)

Genesis 7.21-23, NIV84:

21 Every living thing . . . perished-- . . . all mankind. 22 Everything on . . . land . . . died. 23 Every living thing . . . was wiped out; men . . . were wiped from the earth. . . .

CS1 (changing the subject from the sanctity of human life to whether certain humanitarian arguments for abortion are scriptural) :

" . . . It seems moral and practical not to bring children into a world where they will possibly die due to starvation . . . I have heard some say: . . . 'Foster care is not a good place . . . and adoption will not handle all of them.'

These are all valid arguments. However, is it Biblical?"

whisperer:

"Biblical"?

Is it not EXCEEDINGLY BIBLICAL to save an innocent fetus or embryo from one day being dragged--UNHOPED-FOR, UNINTENDED, and UNWANTED--into a world PROFOUNDLY IMPERFECT?

Is it not EXCEEDINGLY BIBLICAL to prevent some UNWANTED and UTTERLY DEPENDENT entity from becoming a SERIOUS BOTHER or perhaps even an OVERWHELMING BURDEN to a young girl or woman already coping far from superlatively with a challenging existence of her own?

Is it Biblical? Omigosh! JESUS! LORD JESUS!

JESUS (to CS1):

37 . . . " 'Love the Lord your God . . . ' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'Love . . . ' 40 All the Law and the Prophets [ i.e., the SCRIPTURES in their entirety ] hang on these two commandments." (Mt 22:37-40, NIV84)

34 "A new command I give you: Love . . . you must love . . . 12 My command is this: Love . . . 17 This is my command: Love . . . (Jn 13.34; 15.12,17 NIV84)

12 In everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, . . . this sums up the Law and the Prophets. [ i.e., THE BIBLE in its entirety ] (Mt 7:12, NIV84)

31 Do to others [ --e.g., to unborn, unwanted, insentient hominoids and also to women saddled with unwanted pregnancies-- ] as you would have . . . [others] do to you. (Lk 6:31, NIV84)

CS1:

" . . . [Well, it does seem] moral and practical not to bring children into a world where they will possibly die due to starvation . . . "

"Professing Christians and African American Christians" (according to CS1) : " . . . or be abused. . . . "

whisperer:

Unquestionably. In fact, show me someone who is keen to avoid bringing little children into a world "not worthy of them" (Heb 11:38), and I will show you someone who is keen to love as Jesus commanded and to do so not only in word but "in deed and IN TRUTH."
(1Jn 3:18, modified KJV)

All the best to you, CS1!

Ge 6.13,17; 7.4,21-23, NIV84:

13 So God said to Noah, "I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth. 17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made." 21 Every living thing that moved on the earth perished--birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the earth. . . .

Mt 22.37-40, NIV84:

37 Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

Jn 13.34; 15.12,17 NIV84:

34 "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 17 This is my command: Love each other.

Mt 7.12, NIV84:

12 In everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Lk 6.31, NIV84:

31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.

CS1 · May 20, 2022

whisperer said:

Greetings, CS1!

CS1 (Post #42): " . . . the word of God records 100 verses in context to God knowing us before we were born."

one of several examples provided by CS1:

"Psalm 139:13 For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb."

GOD: And?

CS1: WE as Christians MUST stand for life. In and out of the womb.

GOD:

13 . . . "I am going to put an end to all people, . . . I am . . . going to destroy . . . them . . . 17 I am going . . . to destroy all life . . . every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything . . . will perish. 4 . . . I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature . . . " (Ge 6.13,17; 7.4, NIV84)

Genesis 7.21-23, NIV84:

21 Every living thing . . . perished-- . . . all mankind. 22 Everything on . . . land . . . died. 23 Every living thing . . . was wiped out; men . . . were wiped from the earth. . . .

CS1 (changing the subject from the sanctity of human life to whether certain humanitarian arguments for abortion are scriptural) :

" . . . It seems moral and practical not to bring children into a world where they will possibly die due to starvation . . . I have heard some say: . . . 'Foster care is not a good place . . . and adoption will not handle all of them.'

These are all valid arguments. However, is it Biblical?"

whisperer:

"Biblical"? YES

Is it not EXCEEDINGLY BIBLICAL to save an innocent fetus or embryo from one day being dragged--UNHOPED-FOR, UNINTENDED, and UNWANTED--into a world PROFOUNDLY IMPERFECT? This is an opinion of many and human morality from a worldly perspective not biblical.

Is it not EXCEEDINGLY BIBLICAL to prevent some UNWANTED and UTTERLY DEPENDENT entity from becoming a SERIOUS BOTHER or perhaps even an OVERWHELMING BURDEN to a young girl or woman already coping far from superlatively with a challenging existence of her own? Then do what God said and stop fornicating, committing adultery, and having sex outside marriage. The idea that a young woman has an OVERWHELMING BURDEN should also have had an over willing husband to share in the upbringing of the child, not the Government. That is why we have the issue of abortion. Abortion makes the effects of sin appear to go away Just like what King David tried to do and all he achieved was murder just like abortion does.

Is it Biblical? Omigosh! JESUS! LORD JESUS!

JESUS (to CS1):

37 . . . " 'Love the Lord your God . . . ' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'Love . . . ' 40 All the Law and the Prophets [ i.e., the SCRIPTURES in their entirety ] hang on these two commandments." (Mt 22:37-40, NIV84)

34 "A new command I give you: Love . . . you must love . . . 12 My command is this: Love . . . 17 This is my command: Love . . . (Jn 13.34; 15.12,17 NIV84)

12 In everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, . . . this sums up the Law and the Prophets. [ i.e., THE BIBLE in its entirety ] (Mt 7:12, NIV84)

31 Do to others [ --e.g., to unborn, unwanted, insentient hominoids and also to women saddled with unwanted pregnancies-- ] as you would have . . . [others] do to you. (Lk 6:31, NIV84)

CS1:

" . . . [Well, it does seem] moral and practical not to bring children into a world where they will possibly die due to starvation . . . "
well, that may be so to some but what I find very interesting is the truth of the 61 million abortions done since Roe V Wade in a nation where starvation is.90 percent is not a very serious issue in the United State that would cause the young mother to abort their babies. That point is non-existant.

"Professing Christians and African American Christians" (according to CS1) : " . . . or be abused. . . . "

Please show me where I said that? You attack a person because your argument is flawed. and Not founded in truth.
whisperer:

"Unquestionably. " In fact, show me someone who is keen to avoid bringing little children into a world "not worthy of them" (Heb 11:38), and I will show you someone who is keen to love as Jesus commanded and to do so not only in word but "in deed and IN TRUTH."
(1Jn 3:18, modified KJV) not having sex is a sure way not to have a child with ONE Exception The Lord Jesus who his Mother and earthly father did what God asked.Nothing you have said by the word of God if kept in context tells us abortion is ok to do.

All the best to you, CS1!

I am blessed amen

Ge 6.13,17; 7.4,21-23, NIV84:

13 So God said to Noah, "I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth. 17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made." 21 Every living thing that moved on the earth perished--birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the earth. . . .

Mt 22.37-40, NIV84:

37 Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

Jn 13.34; 15.12,17 NIV84:

34 "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 17 This is my command: Love each other.

Mt 7.12, NIV84:

12 In everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Lk 6.31, NIV84:

31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.

you are confusing what God did as God and what man does as he thinks he is god. Abortion is a racist program created by the PPH in 1922 by founder Margaret sanger who with the support of the KKK created Planned parentHood to reduce the population of blacks in NY. 61millon abortions were done and 30% of them were performed on a class of people who make up only 16% of the nation's population. The founder would be so happy today that PPH has kept its racist origin going. And has done its job in deceiving young women. The blood of the 61 million cries out to the Living God Just as Ables's blood did.

That should strike great fear in those who support the murder of innocent blood which God hates.

You to whisperer have a nice day

arthurfleminger · May 20, 2022

kaylagrl said:

Unfortunately abortion, the killing of God's children and our children, has cost the lives of many millions innocents. King Herod would have been proud.

I think that Christians have turned a blind eye to this terrible crime for years. And yes, the ordinary citizens of Nazi Germany were tacitly guilty in the extermination of the Jews because they turned a blind eye and even approved of the murders. And yes, Christians who give tacit approval and who just look the other way are guilty of the killing of today's innocents.

One good sign I see, every year for at least the last 8 years, various churches in our area put aside all their differences and hold 'prayer vigils' outside the Planned Parenthood death factories in Denver. We don't fool ourselves, we can't change the minds of all those who want to kill their unborn. But, every now and then, an expectant mother does change her mind when she sees people openly praying for the unborn. Also, alternative adoption resources have been opened up only a block from Planned Parenthood.

The worst thing that Christians can do is to 'do nothing' and ignore the killing of the children. We don't have a lot of power in this society but we do have God behind us. And, if God is with us, who can stand against us? But it will be a long battle, a battle of principalities.

whisperer · May 20, 2022

whisperer:

Hello again, CS1! I've not yet set aside the old laptop. What more is there to say?

CS1 (Post #50):

Abortion is a racist program created by the PPH in 1922 by founder Margaret Sanger . . . "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood :

1940s – 1960s

. . . Both Planned Parenthood and Margaret Sanger are strongly associated with the abortion issue today. [27] [28]

For much of the organization's history, however, and throughout Sanger's life, abortion was illegal in the U.S., and discussions of the issue were often censored. [29]

During this period, Sanger – like other American advocates of birth control – publicly condemned abortion, arguing that it would not be needed if every woman had access to birth control. [29]

1960s – present

. . . Once abortion was legalized during the early 1970s, Planned Parenthood also began acting as an abortion provider. . . .

CS1:

" . . . Margaret Sanger . . . with the support of the KKK created Planned parentHood to reduce the population of blacks in NY. 61millon abortions were done and 30% of them were performed on a class of people who make up only 16% of the nation's population."

whisperer:

And on whom were 70% of the abortions performed--with the support and blessing of the KKK?

CS1:

"The founder would be so happy today that PPH has kept its racist origin going. And has done its job in deceiving young women."

whisperer:

Deceiving young women is the job of PPFA? Not "Reproductive health"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood :

Planned Parenthood consists of 159 medical and non-medical affiliates, which operate over 600 health clinics in the U.S. [2] [3] It partners with organizations in 12 countries globally. [2] [3] The organization directly provides a variety of reproductive health services and sexual education, contributes to research in reproductive technology and advocates for the protection and expansion of reproductive rights. [3] Research shows that closures of Planned Parenthood clinics lead to increases in maternal mortality rates. [6] [7]

CS1:

The blood of the 61 million cries out to the Living God Just as Abel's blood did.

That should strike great fear in those who support the murder of innocent blood which God hates.

Exodus 12.29-30, NIV84 :

29 At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, . . . to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well. 30 Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead.

Numbers 31.1-3,7,9,11-12,14-15,17, NIV (Post #38):

1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Take vengeance on the Midianites . . . "
3 . . . Moses said to the people, " . . . carry out the LORD'S vengeance . . . "
7 They fought against Midian, . . . and killed every man.
9 The Israelites captured the . . . women and children . . . 11 They . . . 12 . . . brought the captives, . . . to Moses . . .

14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army-- . . . 15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them.

17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,

TWO QUESTIONS For Pro-life Christian Conservatives (Post #38):

If Moses was a fervent believer in the sanctity of human life and a staunch antiabortionist firmly committed to promoting the rights of the unborn and protecting their persons, then why did he order the slaughter of every woman who had slept with a man while sparing the lives of virgins?

If all of the women could not be allowed to live, then why did Moses not massacre only virgins, thereby ensuring the survival of any embryonic or fetal life that females who had slept with someone may have been carrying?

All the best to you, CS1!

arthurfleminger · May 20, 2022

No doubt that Margaret Sanger played a big part in the Eugenics Movement in the USA. This movement wanted to get rid of all those they considered 'substandard human trash'. Ms Sanger not only was complicit with the Ku Klux Klan but was influential with Adolph Hitler's racial extermination program. Here's a site where you can look up Ms Sanger's real motivations and contributions: margaret sanger and adolph hitler - Search (bing.com)

CS1 · May 20, 2022

whisperer said:

whisperer:

Hello again, CS1! I've not yet set aside the old laptop. What more is there to say?

CS1 (Post #50):

Abortion is a racist program created by the PPH in 1922 by founder Margaret Sanger . . . "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood :

1940s – 1960s

. . . Both Planned Parenthood and Margaret Sanger are strongly associated with the abortion issue today. [27] [28]

For much of the organization's history, however, and throughout Sanger's life, abortion was illegal in the U.S., and discussions of the issue were often censored. [29]

During this period, Sanger – like other American advocates of birth control – publicly condemned abortion, arguing that it would not be needed if every woman had access to birth control. [29]

1960s – present

. . . Once abortion was legalized during the early 1970s, Planned Parenthood also began acting as an abortion provider. . . .

CS1:

" . . . Margaret Sanger . . . with the support of the KKK created Planned parentHood to reduce the population of blacks in NY. 61millon abortions were done and 30% of them were performed on a class of people who make up only 16% of the nation's population."

whisperer:

And on whom were 70% of the abortions performed--with the support and blessing of the KKK?

CS1:

"The founder would be so happy today that PPH has kept its racist origin going. And has done its job in deceiving young women."

whisperer:

Deceiving young women is the job of PPFA? Not "Reproductive health"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood :

Planned Parenthood consists of 159 medical and non-medical affiliates, which operate over 600 health clinics in the U.S. [2] [3] It partners with organizations in 12 countries globally. [2] [3] The organization directly provides a variety of reproductive health services and sexual education, contributes to research in reproductive technology and advocates for the protection and expansion of reproductive rights. [3] Research shows that closures of Planned Parenthood clinics lead to increases in maternal mortality rates. [6] [7]

CS1:

The blood of the 61 million cries out to the Living God Just as Abel's blood did.

That should strike great fear in those who support the murder of innocent blood which God hates.

Exodus 12.29-30, NIV84 :

29 At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, . . . to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well. 30 Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead.

Numbers 31.1-3,7,9,11-12,14-15,17, NIV (Post #38):

1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Take vengeance on the Midianites . . . "
3 . . . Moses said to the people, " . . . carry out the LORD'S vengeance . . . "
7 They fought against Midian, . . . and killed every man.
9 The Israelites captured the . . . women and children . . . 11 They . . . 12 . . . brought the captives, . . . to Moses . . .

14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army-- . . . 15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them.

17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,

TWO QUESTIONS For Pro-life Christian Conservatives (Post #38):

If Moses was a fervent believer in the sanctity of human life and a staunch antiabortionist firmly committed to promoting the rights of the unborn and protecting their persons, then why did he order the slaughter of every woman who had slept with a man while sparing the lives of virgins?

If all of the women could not be allowed to live, then why did Moses not massacre only virgins, thereby ensuring the survival of any embryonic or fetal life that females who had slept with someone may have been carrying?

All the best to you, CS1!

FYI I said NY 1n 1922

also, Moses did not order the slaughter of every woman who had slept with a man while sparing the lives of virgins?
You are taking the word of God out of context.

as for Marget Sanger don't take my words for it listen to her

She thinks abortion is a great way to control the population of people, wow China holds that view too.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?288555-1/mike-wallace-interview-margaret-sanger

I am blessed Thank you for your well-wishing for me

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CS1 · May 20, 2022

arthurfleminger said:

No doubt that Margaret Sanger played a big part in the Eugenics Movement in the USA. This movement wanted to get rid of all those they considered 'substandard human trash'. Ms Sanger not only was complicit with the Ku Klux Klan but was influential with Adolph Hitler's racial extermination program. Here's a site where you can look up Ms Sanger's real motivations and contributions: margaret sanger and adolph hitler - Search (bing.com)

thank you for confirming what I said again

CS1 · May 20, 2022

CS1 said:

"Planned Parenthood was founded by the late Margaret Sanger. Sanger began the movement by speaking to many groups, including the wives of Ku Klux Klan group members, who were also organized for white supremacy. There is access to much, rather interesting, uncovered information about her and her organization which began circa 1921. I can barely touch on the topic of Margaret Sanger, and will only be able to touch upon it here.

Margaret Sanger got in tight with the Ku Klux Klan circles, and cozied up to more like them. The following quote from the book “Killer Angel” discovers who some of the other friends in her new movement were:"

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true_believer · May 24, 2022

ZNP said:

How is taking a mixture that causes a miscarriage NOT a form of abortion?
"If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. "

ZNP · May 24, 2022

true_believer said:

2Peter 3:16b which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

What translation is this, the Abortionists Bible?

The Hebrew says it will cause thy belly to swell and thy thigh to rot.

KJV translates it that way which is probably the least political version out there since it was published long before any debate on Abortion.

Numbers 5:22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

American Standard Version, 1901. Another excellent translation.

Numbers 5:22 and this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, and make thy body to swell, and thy thigh to fall away. And the woman shall say, Amen, Amen.

Darby also says the same thing. Three excellent translations as well as the Hebrew.

HNV, Web, YLT, RSV, NET, NASB95, NASB20, ESV, and NKJV all say the same thing.

The only translation I could find that interprets thigh as womb, and swell as miscarry is the NIV. Sorry, next time you want to push some ridiculous doctrine try to find more than one verse and don't use some pathetic translation that is clearly way out in left field.

2Peter 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of [p]private interpretation.

true_believer · May 26, 2022

ZNP said:

2Peter 3:16b which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

What translation is this, the Abortionists Bible?

The Hebrew says it will cause thy belly to swell and thy thigh to rot.

KJV translates it that way which is probably the least political version out there since it was published long before any debate on Abortion.

Numbers 5:22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

American Standard Version, 1901. Another excellent translation.

Numbers 5:22 and this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, and make thy body to swell, and thy thigh to fall away. And the woman shall say, Amen, Amen.

Darby also says the same thing. Three excellent translations as well as the Hebrew.

HNV, Web, YLT, RSV, NET, NASB95, NASB20, ESV, and NKJV all say the same thing.

The only translation I could find that interprets thigh as womb, and swell as miscarry is the NIV. Sorry, next time you want to push some ridiculous doctrine try to find more than one verse and don't use some pathetic translation that is clearly way out in left field.

2Peter 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of [p]private interpretation.

Even though the KJV uses archaic English and inferior translation methods, it's essentially saying the same thing as the quotation I posted.

ZNP · May 26, 2022

true_believer said:

No, the Hebrew word is thigh, not womb, the verb is swell not miscarry. It is not saying anything that can be denoted as an abortion.

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