Ministry Of Deliverance
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There is a gift of discernment of spirits. I have a friend who sees them clearly. Sometimes you need to get to know a person before it becomes clear. I've also had a word of knowledge from time to time that enabled me to deal with evil spirits.
People do need to be taught how to keep evils spirits out. That's why I rarely, if ever, try to deliver unbelievers.
People do need to be taught how to keep evils spirits out. That's why I rarely, if ever, try to deliver unbelievers.
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Genesis 3 (whole story is good, but the first verses show how the demons got created via the Three Lies told by Satan, and the first possession).
John 8:32 and John 14:6 about the Truth.
And there's many other scriptures too, i am a little busy right now, but I will revisit this more fully later today.
John 8:32 and John 14:6 about the Truth.
And there's many other scriptures too, i am a little busy right now, but I will revisit this more fully later today.
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I'd run personally. He's in the New Apostolic Reformation. It's easy to determine this from the "About" section of his website. It says: "He is passionate for the presence of God and to see His Kingdom come and will be done 'on earth as it is in heaven.' " On earth as in heaven is code for Dominionism. That's their big thing; that is, everything that's possible in Heaven is theoretically possible on earth: raising the dead, and performing all kinds of miracles.
It also says: "After six years as lead pastor, Jake now serves as the apostolic leader of Threshold Church." It couldn't be any clearer really.
He also seems to be a prolific author. In my experience, people who depend on book sales as a source of income will write whatever sells, not necessarily the truth.
I wouldn't bother with him myself, and if the congregation you've been visiting sees Kail as a good example, I wouldn't bother with it either.
It also says: "After six years as lead pastor, Jake now serves as the apostolic leader of Threshold Church." It couldn't be any clearer really.
He also seems to be a prolific author. In my experience, people who depend on book sales as a source of income will write whatever sells, not necessarily the truth.
I wouldn't bother with him myself, and if the congregation you've been visiting sees Kail as a good example, I wouldn't bother with it either.
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I hear some talk about this but I never know what to do with it. I typically just put in the realm if faith and grace because I have never seen it.
Yes, but God's Spirit seeks out all men wishing all to be saved but many reject Him. So are they under demonic influence or control?
Idk off of just memory it seemed as Jesus and the apostles came to them except one mother who brought her son.
Many think of Derek Prince as a false teacher. Why?
Where in scripture do we find Christians obsessed or possessed?
Yes, but God's Spirit seeks out all men wishing all to be saved but many reject Him. So are they under demonic influence or control?
Idk off of just memory it seemed as Jesus and the apostles came to them except one mother who brought her son.
Many think of Derek Prince as a false teacher. Why?
Where in scripture do we find Christians obsessed or possessed?
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Derek Prince is pretty solid, yet some of his opinions are not supported by scripture and can be errored, yet being in error doesn't make one false.
when we disagree some will say they are a false teacher only because they do not agree with one's perspective biblically. That is not the case. Just like post-trib, mid-trib, and no trib raptures. many do not agree with these yet they are not false teachers. They are non-essential for salvation and if the pre-trib doesn't happen that does not make the person unsaved because they believed it will happen and did not.
when we disagree some will say they are a false teacher only because they do not agree with one's perspective biblically. That is not the case. Just like post-trib, mid-trib, and no trib raptures. many do not agree with these yet they are not false teachers. They are non-essential for salvation and if the pre-trib doesn't happen that does not make the person unsaved because they believed it will happen and did not.
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It is a spiritual gift like the other spiritual gifts. It is real and if a person has this gift, they do not go around pointing out people who telling others what they believe they have discerned. Some people do that and that is not God. God does not give gifts through His Spirit for the benefit or gain of individuals.
1Therefore, since God in His mercy has given us this ministry, we do not lose heart. 2Instead, we have renounced secret and shameful ways. We do not practice deceit, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by open proclamation of the truth, we commend ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. 3And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.
4The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5For we do not proclaim ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake. 6For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made His light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
II Corinthians 4
Yes, well, according to many, only they have the truth. Whoever the many are. Prince did not teach that Christians can be possessed. I would not attribute that to him and I am familiar with his teaching on the demonic.
1Therefore, since God in His mercy has given us this ministry, we do not lose heart. 2Instead, we have renounced secret and shameful ways. We do not practice deceit, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by open proclamation of the truth, we commend ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. 3And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.
4The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5For we do not proclaim ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake. 6For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made His light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
II Corinthians 4
Yes, well, according to many, only they have the truth. Whoever the many are. Prince did not teach that Christians can be possessed. I would not attribute that to him and I am familiar with his teaching on the demonic.
This is a good qestion.
The word of God says in Eph 6:12
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
The word of God also says :
Eph 4:27 nor give place to the devil.
The word PLACE= place, any portion or space marked off, as it were from surrounding area. opportunity, power, occasion for acting
We are to submit to GOD, resist the devil and he will flee from you. James 4:7
I am going to say something that some of my Pentacostel brother and sister and Charismatics may blow a gasket
(I am a pentacostel minister)
You do not have to announce that there is a deliverance service or ministry for God to do a deliverance. You do not have to create an environment where those who hear the message will have to dig back into their past to deal with their present.
Many do not have a balanced biblical approach to deliverance it is there is no devil, or Everything is the devil.
Some hold to the Doctrine of Rev. Leroy Aka Flip Wilson " the devil made me do it." Also, Rev. Bob Lason renounced exercise is not casting out the devil; he is encouraging people to be open to the idea they have a demon and do not know it. Then creates an environment conducive to receiving a demon that will manifest itself for a show time at the Bob casting out the devil hour.
GIVE NO PLACE TO THE DEVIL!
In the church setting, our emphasis must be on Christ and Him alone and the word of God. The only thing we are to do is worship God in such a way that the Holy Spirit-filled is Moving and confirming the word of God with 1. Salvation 2. healing 3 Deliverance 4. edification 5. comfort ALL DONE by God and HE gets all the glory.
IF you have to sell deliverance in your ministry as the sole attraction over the Lord Jesus and mention the devil and demons more than the name of Jesus by which all demons only listen, you do not have a deliverance ministry, you have a roadshow.
the only environment a church should be fostering is one that allows the Holy Spirit to move.
Deliverance ministry has hurt many people and is greatly abused. From the "generational curse doctrine of" Christians", and Christians can be demon-possessed.
Lies from the pit of hell. The Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit do not surrender to the devil so you a Christian can get possessed. Unbiblical.
If a person is going to deliverance service after deliverance service and you are not delivered by the power of God through the Lord Jesus Christ and the word of God and have and have sought to be delivered over and over again..... YOU ready? YOU DON"T WANT TO BE DELIVERED.
Whom the Son has set free is free indeed. Light cannot mix with darkness Jesus is always victorious.
Don't need to interview a lying devil, don't need to take a trip down demonic lame to conjure up an emotional response to accepting you are demon-possessed and don't know You want to know if you have the calling to cast out the devil? REV. BOB try helping a person high on spice or flakka
You don't have to advertise deliverance there is much need for it on the streets. Try praying for a person high and controlled by a real demon and you will know if you are called to do deliverance.
The word of God says in Eph 6:12
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
The word of God also says :
Eph 4:27 nor give place to the devil.
The word PLACE= place, any portion or space marked off, as it were from surrounding area. opportunity, power, occasion for acting
We are to submit to GOD, resist the devil and he will flee from you. James 4:7
I am going to say something that some of my Pentacostel brother and sister and Charismatics may blow a gasket
(I am a pentacostel minister)
You do not have to announce that there is a deliverance service or ministry for God to do a deliverance
. You do not have to create an environment where those who hear the message will have to dig back into their past to deal with their present.Many do not have a balanced biblical approach to deliverance it is there is no devil, or Everything is the devil.
Some hold to the Doctrine of Rev. Leroy Aka Flip Wilson " the devil made me do it." Also, Rev. Bob Lason renounced exercise is not casting out the devil; he is encouraging people to be open to the idea they have a demon and do not know it. Then creates an environment conducive to receiving a demon that will manifest itself for a show time at the Bob casting out the devil hour.
GIVE NO PLACE TO THE DEVIL!
In the church setting, our emphasis must be on Christ and Him alone and the word of God. The only thing we are to do is worship God in such a way that the Holy Spirit-filled is Moving and confirming the word of God with 1. Salvation 2. healing 3 Deliverance 4. edification 5. comfort ALL DONE by God and HE gets all the glory.
IF you have to sell deliverance in your ministry as the sole attraction over the Lord Jesus and mention the devil and demons more than the name of Jesus by which all demons only listen, you do not have a deliverance ministry, you have a roadshow.
the only environment a church should be fostering is one that allows the Holy Spirit to move.
Deliverance ministry has hurt many people and is greatly abused. From the "generational curse doctrine of" Christians", and Christians can be demon-possessed.
Lies from the pit of hell. The Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit do not surrender to the devil so you a Christian can get possessed. Unbiblical.
If a person is going to deliverance service after deliverance service and you are not delivered by the power of God through the Lord Jesus Christ and the word of God and have and have sought to be delivered over and over again..... YOU ready? YOU DON"T WANT TO BE DELIVERED.
Whom the Son has set free is free indeed. Light cannot mix with darkness Jesus is always victorious.
Don't need to interview a lying devil, don't need to take a trip down demonic lame to conjure up an emotional response to accepting you are demon-possessed and don't know You want to know if you have the calling to cast out the devil? REV. BOB try helping a person high on spice or flakka
You don't have to advertise deliverance there is much need for it on the streets. Try praying for a person high and controlled by a real demon and you will know if you are called to do deliverance.
Unfortunately the lead pastor of the church did a YouTube video using the apocryphal source the book of Enoch to explain demons more which to me it is wrong to use anything not inspired in scripture to tell you so called truths about Biblical topics. The only inspired word of Enoch is the two quotes in the Bible.
What is the difference of a Pentecostal church and let's say others like Methodist or baptist to name off two?
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit can never be forgiven, and that's how the demons got created, that's what Satan did. Even the words devils means lies, hence why the serpent became called the Devil. He tells the same Three Lies over and over and over if you ever pay careful attention. He even tried to cast the same Three Lies against Jesus, who is the living truth, but of course Jesus did not fall for that. Also notice it's when the dragon broke his own breath of life (which is the spirit for the word spirit means breath) into the Three Lies he cast them into the woman's mind. She became possessed and we know this because she is now looking at the fruit all wrong. Why is she possessed? Well because she believed the lies, she obeyed Satan.
Where this becomes real obvious that the demons are the Three Lies is in Revelation.
Revelation 16:13-14
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Where this becomes real obvious that the demons are the Three Lies is in Revelation.
Revelation 16:13-14
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
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I can only tell you as a Penacostel / charismatic minister, it has to do with more tradition and the lack of biblical understanding.
in my Current denomination, we do not teach generational cruses for Christians, yet there are those who do. Most mainline Pentacostel and old school holiness types saw the Devil in everything. in women wearing pants, cutting hair, jewelry, make -up the TV
( I agree with that one ) BUT the power of GOD is absolute over all the works of the Devil.
The lesson Jesus gave at Caesarea Philippi about the gate of Hell is very telling. Jesus took his Disciples to the location where there were many gods and idol worship happening. the god of pan, Zeus and others gods the cave there was called the gates of hell
During Jesus day :
Jesus said the gate of Hell will not prevail. This location was as perverted and evil as any place today whoredom, drunkness, perversion, Idolatry BUT did it stand ? how does it look today ?
Today:
So is every nation that forget God.
in my Current denomination, we do not teach generational cruses for Christians, yet there are those who do. Most mainline Pentacostel and old school holiness types saw the Devil in everything. in women wearing pants, cutting hair, jewelry, make -up the TV
( I agree with that one )
BUT the power of GOD is absolute over all the works of the Devil. The lesson Jesus gave at Caesarea Philippi about the gate of Hell is very telling. Jesus took his Disciples to the location where there were many gods and idol worship happening. the god of pan, Zeus and others gods the cave there was called the gates of hell
During Jesus day :
Jesus said the gate of Hell will not prevail. This location was as perverted and evil as any place today whoredom, drunkness, perversion, Idolatry BUT did it stand ? how does it look today ?
Today:
So is every nation that forget God.
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“What you thinking so far? Should I run? Stay? Am I acting in ignorance? Or should I take notice of my own discernment?”
I would suggest prayer and study about the matter scripture always tends to be able to help a believer of scriptures form and grasp concepts that become clear in scripture.
when we read thkngs like this it becomes a place to let become a worthwhile block to building a good understanding of our situation as born again spiritual people in a world full of flesh and wickedness, and the path to this set before us that we are called to believe and walk in as we grow in understanding and capacity and begin to walk by faith
so for instance
“Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
Ephesians 6:11-12 KJV
“And we know that we are of God,
and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
1 John 5:19-20 KJV
Just as we believe in a Holy Spirit we cannot actually see with our eyes there in the world , evil spirits the spiritual powers of heaven that rebelled with the devil are also In the world constantly corrupting mans mind and heart through temptations that lead to sin and death.
when Jesus was taken to heaven after he had overcome sin , Satan ( who tries to destroy him on earth first before he could save man ) pursued him and a war in heaven was fought. But asatan and his followers lost and we’re cast out and barred from heaven ( just as man was barred from Eden after sin) these angels now are in earth but they are spirits and can’t actually participate in the natural creation unless they work through a man or beast who are part of the natural creation themselves.
So events like this sort of serve to open our eyes just a little bit if we believe it
“Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.”
Acts 19:13-17 KJV
this sort of shows us spirits do inhabit people and act through people. Many examples exist in the gospels of demon possession . What it is is those heavenly spirits that fell when Jesus entered heaven in the war trying to live through us just as we are to let Christ and the hilt spirit live through us
evil spirits want to be in a man or beast to actually be able to exist in the creation and actually do evil in the natural. But the Holy Spirit is what keeps believers in Jesus and not “ the Jesus paul preached “
Paul Knew the true and only Jesus is why the spirit knew Paul , the seven men who were “ preaching the Jesus Paul preaches” were trying to not go to Jesus themself but using Paul’s name as intercessor between then and Jesus instead .
they knew paul , not the Jesus he knew and preached. Which tbey all are subject to Jesus and his word
“And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding. So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.”
Matthew 8:28-32 KJV
Note they wanted to exist in created form ( an active body ) even if it was in the form of swine.
I’m not saying I agree with what you are describing but just showing some examples that open the Eyes to many things we can’t know about unless we accept what’s being said in the scripture about it sort of the “ why the world
Is so wicked and so much evil happens to decent folks “ the spiritual war in heaven now resulted in corruption on earth of a spiritual nature and magnitude mankind being led astray by evil rather than saved by the holy spirit now also in the world through Christ Jesus
just to make the point spiritual possession and also spiritual warfare are real concepts biblically before and after the cross and are also taught in letters to the church and seen in acts also many times.
studying the scriptures offers a ton about evil spirits and tbier relstionship with mankind on earth
I would suggest prayer and study about the matter scripture always tends to be able to help a believer of scriptures form and grasp concepts that become clear in scripture.
when we read thkngs like this it becomes a place to let become a worthwhile block to building a good understanding of our situation as born again spiritual people in a world full of flesh and wickedness, and the path to this set before us that we are called to believe and walk in as we grow in understanding and capacity and begin to walk by faith
so for instance
“Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
Ephesians 6:11-12 KJV
“And we know that we are of God,
and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
1 John 5:19-20 KJV
Just as we believe in a Holy Spirit we cannot actually see with our eyes there in the world , evil spirits the spiritual powers of heaven that rebelled with the devil are also In the world constantly corrupting mans mind and heart through temptations that lead to sin and death.
when Jesus was taken to heaven after he had overcome sin , Satan ( who tries to destroy him on earth first before he could save man ) pursued him and a war in heaven was fought. But asatan and his followers lost and we’re cast out and barred from heaven ( just as man was barred from Eden after sin) these angels now are in earth but they are spirits and can’t actually participate in the natural creation unless they work through a man or beast who are part of the natural creation themselves.
So events like this sort of serve to open our eyes just a little bit if we believe it
“Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.”
Acts 19:13-17 KJV
this sort of shows us spirits do inhabit people and act through people. Many examples exist in the gospels of demon possession . What it is is those heavenly spirits that fell when Jesus entered heaven in the war trying to live through us just as we are to let Christ and the hilt spirit live through us
evil spirits want to be in a man or beast to actually be able to exist in the creation and actually do evil in the natural. But the Holy Spirit is what keeps believers in Jesus and not “ the Jesus paul preached “
Paul Knew the true and only Jesus is why the spirit knew Paul , the seven men who were “ preaching the Jesus Paul preaches” were trying to not go to Jesus themself but using Paul’s name as intercessor between then and Jesus instead .
they knew paul , not the Jesus he knew and preached. Which tbey all are subject to Jesus and his word
“And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding. So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.”
Matthew 8:28-32 KJV
Note they wanted to exist in created form ( an active body ) even if it was in the form of swine.
I’m not saying I agree with what you are describing but just showing some examples that open the Eyes to many things we can’t know about unless we accept what’s being said in the scripture about it sort of the “ why the world
Is so wicked and so much evil happens to decent folks “ the spiritual war in heaven now resulted in corruption on earth of a spiritual nature and magnitude mankind being led astray by evil rather than saved by the holy spirit now also in the world through Christ Jesus
just to make the point spiritual possession and also spiritual warfare are real concepts biblically before and after the cross and are also taught in letters to the church and seen in acts also many times.
studying the scriptures offers a ton about evil spirits and tbier relstionship with mankind on earth
