Are You Being Taught The True Word Of God or A False Gospel?

[Dino246]

This (bolded text) has always been a confounding Verse for me, personally - thanks for including in this thread.

What do we do when someone is preaching/talking/spreading a Gospel different than the "True Gospel", but also says that they believe that Jesus is from God? (e.g. Gnostics, Judaizers, Mormons, etc.)

Just wondering...

Yes, Jesus is "from" God. However, you won't find Gnostics, Mormons, or JW's preaching that Jesus IS God. As for Judaizers, their false gospel is discerned through other means.

 

[Nehemiah6]

What is the first job of the church.... Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

The first job of the Church (capital c) is to propagate the Gospel. The second job is to make disciples. The third job is to meet and fellowship as shown in Acts 2 (which includes worship, prayer, and the teaching and study of the Word of God). What you have quoted not only applied to Timothy but to every Christian. What it is saying is that (a) study is hard and demanding work, (b) the result of study should be to rightly interpret the Word of Truth, and (c) those who study and interpret diligently and properly are approved of God. So there are two aspects to having and retaining the true Gospel: (1) it must be properly and thoroughly presented within the churches and (2) you have a personal responsibility to search the Scriptures for yourself and make sure that the Gospel you are hearing is the Gospel of God.

 

[kenallen]

The first job of the Church (capital c) is to propagate the Gospel. The second job is to make disciples. The third job is to meet and fellowship as shown in Acts 2 (which includes worship, prayer, and the teaching and study of the Word of God). What you have quoted not only applied to Timothy but to every Christian. What it is saying is that (a) study is hard and demanding work, (b) the result of study should be to rightly interpret the Word of Truth, and (c) those who study and interpret diligently and properly are approved of God. So there are two aspects to having and retaining the true Gospel: (1) it must be properly and thoroughly presented within the churches and (2) you have a personal responsibility to search the Scriptures for yourself and make sure that the Gospel you are hearing is the Gospel of God.

Why do we have a church at all today? Most do not teach the same Gospel tought by Jesus and the apostles. I would love for someone to send me a copy of a sermon that teaches us something other that a feel good message, a watered down version of some mans ideas or just someone begging for money. The "C"urch that I have seen do not teach the Word of God except one i have found on tv every morning Monday - Friday. It is taking me some time because my typing is slow Etc. but I am transcribing a 45 min sermon given on Monday by my pastor you can find part one titled Time of the Gentiles. I have submitted part 2 and will try and finish it up tomorrow. His teaching is what I thank a church should teach, and the way the bible says to teach. I hope you will look at it

 

[BeeThePeace]

Let me guess using your description of those three pastor types. Not sure of the first one. The second one I'd guess is Joel Osteen. The third, Peter Popoff.

Test the spirits. God is The Word.
Remember that passage? Be still and know I am God.

The Bible is a compass that leads people to learn of God. And gives an overview of what it means to be of Christ as the Born Again Saints. If there were no book we would still know God exists. Romans 1.

We are indwelt by God's holy spirit. He leads us in the way we should go.

The New Testament tells us God leads us to him. It tells us what it means to be a Christian.

Many people believe by the book. They argue,debate, what it means to have faith and how.

While holy spirit God, if we trust that which is within, leads us to live in faith because we are never separated from The Word that writes his laws on our hearts and guides us in the way we should go.

We plan our way but God sets our steps.
Proverbs 16:9

 

[kenallen]

Yes, Jesus is "from" God. However, you won't find Gnostics, Mormons, or JW's preaching that Jesus IS God. As for Judaizers, their false gospel is discerned through other means.

2nd John 1
7For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
You do not have anything to do with them. You do not even bid them God speed because if you do you are a partaker in there vel deeds. If Jesus has led you to a place and you find an open person then work with them. You do not put a tithe into the plate that is partaking in there evil deeds, do not agree with there teaching if it in anyway goes against the bible; and keep your guard up and do not give Satan an opening to draw you in.
Hope that helps

 

[kenallen]

Let me guess using your description of those three pastor types. Not sure of the first one. The second one I'd guess is Joel Osteen. The third, Peter Popoff.

Test the spirits. God is The Word.
Remember that passage? Be still and know I am God.

The Bible is a compass that leads people to learn of God. And gives an overview of what it means to be of Christ as the Born Again Saints. If there were no book we would still know God exists. Romans 1.

We are indwelt by God's holy spirit. He leads us in the way we should go.

The New Testament tells us God leads us to him. It tells us what it means to be a Christian.

Many people believe by the book. They argue,debate, what it means to have faith and how.

While holy spirit God, if we trust that which is within, leads us to live in faith because we are never separated from The Word that writes his laws on our hearts and guides us in the way we should go.

We plan our way but God sets our steps.
Proverbs 16:9

Guess all you want our pastor says we are not to name another pastor or church it is not our place to judge them. We can listen and decern if there message is in line with Gods word or not. I will tell you I do not know Peter Popoff. I do agree wit you that God lead us and directs us.

 

[JaumeJ]

From the Mouth of our Lord, Jesus Christ, or do you call Him Yeshua?
Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. Are you saying that we are judging because we disagree with being tought the traditions of men that make void the word of God. God has given us His Spirit, His Word, and if we ask eyes to see with and ears to hear with. H has also given us a very easy way to cheek things out. Study His word chapter by chapter and verse by verse and as I just told ted use the tools given us; take the time to find out what a word means in the Hebrew or the Greek. Be like the Brean's in Acts 17 they heard the words of Paul & Sials took them to heart and then went home and studied the scriptures "The Old Testament" to make sure they were so. Let me ask when was the last time you heard a message from a Pastor then went home and really studied to see if what he told you was true. This is not judging it is doing exactly what we have been instructed to do from "The Love Letter Sent To us From God"

Only God knows the hearts of men, so I will not take anything as personal that you hae said here.
My Pastor is always spot on, because I follow Jesus. I include my understanding when I place Yeshi Yah in a post. Yeshi is a transliteration of My Redeemer and Yah is for Yahweh a transliteration of God being Whaterever He chooses to Be, ie. the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit.
I hae been blesse to have read the Word in Hebrew. What man has separated from the New Testament and named the Old I have alsto read in Hebrew.
None of this reading is required by anyone, not the children led by the Holy Spirit for in my studies I have learned there are errors of human understanding even in the Hbreew, that is, many words have either een mistranslated or simply not truly understood. These last hinderances too are not important when a person is led by the Holy Spirit.
As for "taking time," all who have come to Jesus Yeshi Yah have and are taing the time necessary according to the walk given each. We should not assume about any of the brethren lest we be not showing mercy, that mercy which we expect to receive.

 

[pottersclay]

For the sake of all this church talk latley and what is the true church we've become Pharisees ourselves.
We divide and walk away rather than seek to humbly correct.

 

[kenallen]

For the sake of all this church talk latley and what is the true church we've become Pharisees ourselves.
We divide and walk away rather than seek to humbly correct.[/QUO
I am going to use a post 101 reasons to believe once saved always saved

For the sake of all this church talk latley and what is the true church we've become Pharisees ourselves.
We divide and walk away rather than seek to humbly correct.

For the sake of all this church talk latley and what is the true church we've become Pharisees ourselves.
We divide and walk away rather than seek to humbly correct.

As I was starting to say about 3hrs ago or so till I got caught up in something else there was the post 101 reasons to believe once saves always saved. Which is just one of the many traditions of men that many churches believe. You try and have a discussion from the bible and they just through up their hands and walk away. You try and talk about the rapture same thing. I am open to talking but it is a 2 way street but in the end if you want to change my mind you have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the things you want be to put my eternal life on the line about are true. We could fill up a book with this kinda stuff. I am more than willing to talk be open about my believes. I do not see myself as a Pharisee; but I do look at my relationship with God as all in. I do not clam to have all the answers but I am looking.

 

[ChristianTonyB]

Some one asked me where I found that the apostles did not do administration duties and neither should pastors today.
Many Christians believe the pastor should be an administrator for the church. They fail to realize that God did not give every pastor the spiritual gift of administration. It is common for churches to seek a pastor who is a great people person, an excellent administrator for the church, and an effective counselor, as well as a great preacher. But ten hours a week for sermon preparation and teaching/preaching is not enough. In fact, this church had missed the emphasis of the following two passages.

And the twelve summoned the congregation of the disciples and said, “It is not desirable for us to neglect the word of God in order to serve tables. But select from among you, brethren, seven men of good reputation, full of the Spirit and of wisdom, whom we may put in charge of this task. But we will devote ourselves to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.” Acts 6:2-4 (NASB)​

Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. 1 Timothy 5:17 (NASB)​

In the first passage the apostles were being asked to do some church administration – to care for some widows. Now that is an important and loving ministry. But they responded by saying that this was not the most important priority for them. I am sure some in that church thought they were unloving and uncaring to these widows. But their greatest priority – greatest expression of love – was to be in prayer for them and to teach and preach the Word to them.
This is the same message in 1 Timothy 5:17. In the early church there were two types of elders. There were elders who were gifted in administration – “rule well” – and those who worked hard at teaching/preaching. In many churches the elders who rule well are called lay elders and the other elders are called pastors. However, Acts 20:17, 28 and 1 Peter 5:1-3 indicate that all elders are pastors even if their vocation and spiritual gifts are different. Some elders will naturally excel in administration and others in teaching and preaching.

As I understand it, the service/support roles in the church were established by Jesus to help the whole church to mature and perform its ministry. It seems the Apostles' primary role was to go out and preach the gospel and establish churches. The Prophets' role was to provide advice to help the churches keep on track. The Evangelists' role was to stir up the faith in the churches. The Pastors' (elders/overseers/shepherds/bishops..they're just synonyms) role was to provide close oversight and mentoring of the adult individuals in the flock of God that they are responsible for. The Teachers' role was to provide group teaching on Christian life skills. The Deacons' role was ostensibly to provide administrative oversight and assistance, as well as be a backup to the Pastors and Teachers.

The outcome of all these service and support roles combined being: "for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ".

 

[kenallen]

As I understand it, the service/support roles in the church were established by Jesus to help the whole church to mature and perform its ministry. It seems the Apostles' primary role was to go out and preach the gospel and establish churches. The Prophets' role was to provide advice to help the churches keep on track. The Evangelists' role was to stir up the faith in the churches. The Pastors' (elders/overseers/shepherds/bishops..they're just synonyms) role was to provide close oversight and mentoring of the adult individuals in the flock of God that they are responsible for. The Teachers' role was to provide group teaching on Christian life skills. The Deacons' role was ostensibly to provide administrative oversight and assistance, as well as be a backup to the Pastors and Teachers.

The outcome of all these service and support roles combined being: "for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ".

I am about 99% in agreement with you. The roll of shepherd "pastor" is to lead the flock to good pasture and to protect them from the wolves etc.

 

[kenallen]

Guess all you want our pastor says we are not to name another pastor or church it is not our place to judge them. We can listen and decern if there message is in line with Gods word or not. I will tell you I do not know Peter Popoff. I do agree wit you that God lead us and directs us.

What good does it do to call out names. The bible tells us what we should and should not expect. I am just following the lead of Pastor Dennis and what he says when asked a question about another church Pastor etc. Ask him about a doctrine and he will tell you.

 

[ChristianTonyB]

I am about 99% in agreement with you. The roll of shepherd "pastor" is to lead the flock to good pasture and to protect them from the wolves etc.

Yes,... and to check each sheep for flystrike, footrot, worms, and other diseases they can get.

 

[Magenta]

What good does it do to call out names. The bible tells us what we should and should not expect. I am just following the lead of Pastor Dennis and what he says when asked a question about another church Pastor etc. Ask him about a doctrine and he will tell you.

Micah 6:8

 

[kenallen]

Yes,... and to check each sheep for flystrike, footrot, worms, and other diseases they can get.

I am not sure but it sounds like you do not believe that it is the Job of a Pastor to tend his flock. Please let me know what you are trying to say.
Thanks

 

[kenallen]

Micah 6:8

So well put and in such a beautiful way

 

[ChristianTonyB]

I am not sure but it sounds like you do not believe that it is the Job of a Pastor to tend his flock. Please let me know what you are trying to say.
Thanks

Quite the opposite in fact, he must tend to each member of his flock. The concept of an Elder tending a church from a pulpit on a stage is as useless as a farmer inspecting his flock from afar. He needs to have, as far as is reasonable and possible, an intimate knowledge of the spiritual, emotional and physical state of each member of the flock he is caring for, so that he can provide targeted help.

 

[kenallen]

Thank you so much. That is quite a compliment.

As for the Bible, this Book of sub-books and letters is absolutely mind-blowing. The NLT translation uses the phrase, "Mysterious Plan" and I am so glad that I ran across it! When I read of this Mysterios Plan concept, my lawyer/Microsoft mind caught on and I couldn't let it go. So, I began reading the Bible in a timeline, chronological order so that I could understand the Bible in "real-time" so to speak. I read each chapter and verse with this idea of the "Mysterious Plan" in mind. I HAD to know what this Plan was. In short, I was mind-blown by what I discovered. And as I mentioned my Microsoft mind, I actually began to collect and organize Scriptures in an Excel Spreadsheet. I cataloged them, giving subcategories after subcategories, for if I didn't do that, there was no way that I would be able to keep track of the massive plethora of Biblical ideas and concepts that (I felt) needed to be tracked and understood. After many years of collecting these passages, I would be absolutely devastated if I lost this collection of verses (and my personal commentary). Each time that I read the entire Bible, I would do so with a different translation, as each translation expresses the same concept but in a potentially different way. Wow, I am so glad that I did that. In fact, as I am now reading the Old Testament, I am using the Jewish Tenakh . . . oh my goodness! This is my favorite translation of the OT. The way that Jews paraphrase the Old Testament books is just stunning. In fact, their writings emphasize Circumcision of the Heart more than any Christian translation . . . that's pretty incredible.

Anyway, our Bible is Truly a miracle. No human could come up with the contents of this Book on their own. It is a Book of Power and an incredible storyline that boggles my mind to this day. I just cannot say enough how much I love this unbelievable Book.

Chapter by chapter verse by verse that is exactly the way God meant for it to be understood. Ther is no way you can understand it if you just take 2 or 3 verses here and there you will never put it together. That is one of the problems with many church's today.

 

[kenallen]

Quite the opposite in fact, he must tend to each member of his flock. The concept of an Elder tending a church from a pulpit on a stage is as useless as a farmer inspecting his flock from afar. He needs to have, as far as is reasonable and possible, an intimate knowledge of the spiritual, emotional and physical state of each member of the flock he is caring for, so that he can provide targeted help.

I am glad you cleared that up I agree with you 110% on that.
Ken

 

[Phoneman-777]

Are you being taught the true word of God or a False Gospel?​

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I just got done watching 3 different church program. All 3 clam to be right all 3 had some of the same things to say and all 3 had different things to say. I will not say what shows, what religions, what pastors. One came from the bible but had a denominational twist to it. One was a motivational speech with some scripture thrown in and the last was just a beggar, send me money and be blessed 10 fold.

In my opinion using the discernment that God gives us I would say all 3 are wrong.

Lets start with the beginning. Unless a man be born again he can not enter the Kingdom of God. That is just the beginning the problem is most churches stop right there or they will tell you, you have to be baptized in water. They fail to follow through. Mark 1:14 &15.Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,15. And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. Entrust yourself in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Luke 4:9-11 And he took him to Jerusalem and set him on the pinnacle of the temple and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down from here, for it is written, “‘He will command his angels concerning you, to guard you,’and “‘On their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone.

This is the scripture that Satan tempted Jesus with. Psalm 91:11&12 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.12.They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone. Is the verse out of the bible notice Satan left out “ To keep thee in all thy ways” Satan did not really twist The scripture He just left out part of it that changed everything.





We are told in several different places in both the Old Testament and the New Testament to beware of false gods, false religions, Etc.

I am just going to put the whole book of 2nd John in here:

Greeting from the Elder

1The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth; 2For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever. 3Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and loveWalking in the Truth4I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father. 5And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another. 6And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. Beware of Deceivers 7For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. Final Greetings 12Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full. 13The children of thy elect sister greet thee. Amen.

Please pay attention to verses 7-11 antichrist is not just Satan it is anyone that brings a different doctrine from the one you heard from us. The 3 programs I listened to today brought a different doctrine that what John and the other apostles brought

What is the first job of the church.

Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

1st Peter 2: As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: 3If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.

2nd Timothy 2:15. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Lotsa false gospels in the world. Each tailored to meet the needs of the lost soul who wants to be clothed with the dignity of the church yet refuses to give up his/her rebellion against God.