Truth or Traditions of men

[BeeThePeace]

You are right Jesus is risen That is our hope. You are right His tomb is empty. My disagreement is that there is a physical resurrection of bodies out of the graves. Flesh and blood can not enter the kingdom of heaven

That's true. Jesus' human form didn't resurrect from death. His resurrected body was a glorified body.

If flesh and blood human form had resurrected from the tomb, the covenant for which Jesus died would be void.

John 6:7 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

 

[posthuman]

Jesus' human form didn't resurrect from death.

au contraire.

the tomb was empty

what was laid in the tomb?
the same that rose, and departed from the grave.

 

[posthuman]

If flesh and blood human form had resurrected from the tomb, the covenant for which Jesus died would be void.

if Jesus did not rise from the dead, there is no salvation.

For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen,
and if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!
(1 Corinthians 15:16-17)
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denying the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ is denying the gospel itself. it is calling all the testimony, lies.

 

[posthuman]

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This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.​

(1 John 4:2-3) ​

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Jesus Christ appeared in the flesh, died in the flesh, rose in the flesh, ascended in the flesh, and will return in the very same manner in which He departed.
He came to redeem us and against His purpose no power can stand.
He is God manifest in the flesh; in Him the flesh is overcome: this is the victory; even our faith.
this is the hope in which we patiently wait alongside all of creation: the redemption of our flesh, quickened by His Spirit.

if He is not raised, then we are not raised, and there is no salvation, and all are liars.
if He is risen, we will also be risen in Him in the exact likeness: bodily, redeemed, saved

every spirit that denies Him is antichrist

 

[Magenta]

if Jesus did not rise from the dead, there is no salvation.

For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen, ​

and if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! ​

(1 Corinthians 15:16-17)​

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denying the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ is denying the gospel itself. it is calling all the testimony, lies.

From 1 Cor 15:14-18

 

[posthuman]

the unassailable Word:

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For I know that my Redeemer lives,​

and He shall stand at last on the earth;​

and after my skin is destroyed, this I know,​

that in my flesh I shall see God,​

Whom I shall see for myself,​

and my eyes shall behold, and not another!
(Job 19:25-26)

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let them fight against Him;
they cannot prevail.

the word of our God is a sure word;
though every man be a liar

 

[Magenta]

au contraire.

the tomb was empty

what was laid in the tomb?
the same that rose, and departed from the grave.

How or why would a different body have the wound marks
Jesus went into the tomb with, if it was a different body?

 

[posthuman]

How or why would a different body have the wound marks
Jesus went into the tomb with, if it was a different body?

would Christ try to deceive us?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

if Jesus did not rise from the dead, there is no salvation.

For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen, ​

and if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! ​

(1 Corinthians 15:16-17)​

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denying the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ is denying the gospel itself. it is calling all the testimony, lies.

A glorified body is what he looks like in Revelation 1. His resurrected body in those 40 days was still flesh and blood. The disciples didn't believe it, they thought they were seeing a ghost, they thought they were hallucinating, so Jesus asked for some food and ate in their presence -

But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, "Have you any food here?" So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. And he took it and ate in their presence. (Luke 24:41-43)

It's a matter of opinion that whether a glorified body still needs earthly food for sustanence. I think the answer is no, a glorified body is a heavenly body in another dimension. When Jesus rose from the dead, that was still an earthly body FOR DEMONSTRATION PURPOSE. He had not ascended to heaven YET. When he ascended to heavenly and sitting at the right hand of God, then he was in his glorified body as he appears to John in Rev. 1.

 

[BeeThePeace]

au contraire.

the tomb was empty

what was laid in the tomb?
the same that rose, and departed from the grave.

Of course the tomb was empty. Jesus flesh, the bread of life, was gone. He paid the sin debt for the world.


John 6:47 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”


Jesus resurrected was the resurected and glorified. Who walked the earth for another 40 days. He was not the flesh and blood man who sacrificed his body on the cross after he defeated death.
Because he did not fail in his mission.


Matthew 20,

1Peter 3:18 For Christ also suffered[b] once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19 in which[c] he went and proclaimed[d] to the spirits in prison, 20 because[e] they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.

Acts 13:34 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts+13&version=ESV

1 Corinthians 15:45 Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”;[e] the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall[f] also bear the image of the man of heaven.

2 Corinthians 5

 

[BeeThePeace]

would Christ try to deceive us?

Jesus glorified body bearing his scars from crucifixion, note his flogging scars aren't included in the description, show his amazed disciples that he is indeed not just their resurrected master but has conquered the death his crucifixion wrought upon him.

If we are to believe Jesus came to give his flesh, the bread of life, for the sins of the world, how would that be accomplished if he took back that sacrificed flesh when resurrected after giving his flesh as the sacrifice?

 

[Magenta]

would Christ try to deceive us?

Heaven forbid!

And obviously not

 

[BeeThePeace]

if Jesus did not rise from the dead, there is no salvation.

For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen, ​

and if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! ​

(1 Corinthians 15:16-17)​

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denying the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ is denying the gospel itself. it is calling all the testimony, lies.

Au Contraire.

Insisting Jesus the man of flesh resurrected, contrary to what Jesus said in John 6, is denying Jesus words, mission, and sacrifice as he defined it to be and to come, and fulfilled.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Insisting Jesus the man of flesh resurrected, contrary to what Jesus said in John 6, is denying Jesus words, mission, and sacrifice as he defined it to be and to come, and fulfilled.

Jesus was preaching to the multitude in John 6, and he was talking about eternal life after death. All resurrections, including His, were for demonstration purpose so they could witness with their own eyes that resurrection was real. Up until kingdom comes, when we pass away, we go to heaven with the Lord, we don't rise again and linger on earth for another 40 days.

 

[posthuman]

A glorified body is what he looks like in Revelation 1. His resurrected body in those 40 days was still flesh and blood. The disciples didn't believe it, they thought they were seeing a ghost, they thought they were hallucinating, so Jesus asked for some food and ate in their presence -

The same body was glorified in the same way in Matthew 17

Jrsus Christ is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. He set aside His glory and hid Himself. There is nothing He did after the resurrection that He was unable to do before. He was is and always will be omnipotent God manifest in flesh

 

[posthuman]

Au Contraire.

Insisting Jesus the man of flesh resurrected, contrary to what Jesus said in John 6, is denying Jesus words, mission, and sacrifice as he defined it to be and to come, and fulfilled.

The tomb was empty. Explain.

 

[BeeThePeace]

The tomb was empty. Explain.

I just did. You disagreed.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

The same body was glorified in the same way in Matthew 17

Jrsus Christ is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. He set aside His glory and hid Himself. There is nothing He did after the resurrection that He as unable to do before.

That was a re-enaction of Moses on Mount Sinai. Moses came down with God's shekinah glory, his face shone like the sun, he had to hide it behind a veil, that's where the original concept of the temple veil came from.

 

[posthuman]

what Jesus said in John 6,

John 6:12
So when they were filled, He said to His disciples, "Gather up the fragments that remain, so that nothing is lost."


NOTHING

 

[posthuman]

I just did. You disagreed.

Your explanation is that it wasn't empty; that His corpse was still there and the whole NT is a sham, all the disciples liars and there is no salvation, no redemption.

So yeah of course I reject that. I have read the Bible.