Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection
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Flesh and blood won't inherit the kingdom of heaven, which is not what resurrected bodies are, but rather glorified resurrected, immortal, incorruptible, bodies will inherit the kingdom of heaven. There's more on that in 1 Cor. 15.
Here's a bit about it. There's so much more too.
Luke 20:34-38
34Jesus replied, “The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, 36and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God’s children, since they are children of the resurrection. 37But in the account of the burning bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise, for he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ 38He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.”
You believe baptism in this flesh has something to do with the glorified body?
Another way of looking at the passage that refers to water and spirit is to consider Jesus and his earthly ministry.
John 4:9-14 “…Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.”
John 7:37-39 “…if any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink…
John 15:3 “Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.”
1 John 5:7-8, “For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.” (NASB) February 13, 2016
https://chicagobible.org/can-you-ex...he-blood-and-the-three-are-in-agreement-nasb/
John 4:9-14 “…Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.”
John 7:37-39 “…if any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink…
John 15:3 “Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.”
1 John 5:7-8, “For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.” (NASB) February 13, 2016
https://chicagobible.org/can-you-ex...he-blood-and-the-three-are-in-agreement-nasb/
That's what Romans 6:4,5 says
Rom. 6:4,5
4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
If you are united with Christ "in the likeness" (water baptism) in His death you will be united with Him in His literal resurrection.
Philippians 3:20,21
20For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: 21Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
1 John 3:2,3
2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Remember that in the 1st Century, there wasn't much "science". When the fuid would gush out during a birth, it was seen at water.
Even when our Lord was speared, it was described as "water" coming out, even though it was serum.
No, your reliance on science is wrong, because no one of that day would have known any different from "water".
And the context refutes you.
John 3
3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again. ”
4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.
In v.3 Jesus tells Nic he needs to be born again.
In v.4 confused Nic thought Jesus was referring to a second physical birth, by "entering a SECOND time into their mother's womb". That is a physical birth.
In v.5 Jesus clarifies by clearly stating the difference between the physical birth and the spiritual birth. iow, to be "born again" is a spiritual birth, something Nic knew nothing about.
As a symbol of being in union with Christ. It is a ritual that does NOT save.
Proof of being a symbol is found in Romans 6
3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his.
v.3 shows that being "baptized into Christ" is symbolically being identified into His death.
v.4 shows more symbolizing and identification. Because believers are in union with Christ (Eph 1:13) they are identified "with Him into death". Did you die when Christ died? No. When you were born, you were already dead. But water baptism is a symbol of "dying with Him".
v.5 shows that because believers ARE united with Him in death, they will "certainly also be unityed with Him in a resurrection like His".
Very clear.
I just can't believe your dishonesty by leaving out the first part of the verse, which actually REFUTES your claims.
See above. Jesus WAS noting a physical and spiritual birth, since confused Nic thought Jesus meant a SECOND physical birth in v.4, after Jesus noted in v.3 that ol' Nic needed to be born again. Context is king, and this context REFUTES your opinions.
I believe being saved and being born again (regenerated) mean the same thing. At least, they go together.Hello,
I’m pondering if there is a difference between being SAVED and being BORN AGAIN….
SAVED by the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ; and
BORN AGAIN by Water Baptism and Holy Spirit Baptism.
What are your thoughts?
In Eph 2:5, we see that being "made alive" (regeneration) and being saved are equated. iow, they occur simultaneously. Can't have one without the other.
Then, in Eph 2:8, we read that we are saved by grace through faith. Since salvation and regeneration are equated in v.5, this verse teaches that both are THROUGH FAITH. So, faith precedes both regeneration and salvation, which refutes Calvinism's claims to the contrary.
And, water baptism is a ritual only. It doesn't save or result in regeneration. It symbolizes the believer's union with Christ in His death, burial and resurrection.
So you believe we have to be baptized to secure the Salvation of the glorified body?
Exactly. Salvation of the glorified body.
True.First century people were not aware then as we are now regarding what we term as science.
When a woman's water broke then as now it appeared as if water gushes forth from her body. And as innocent as people were then, it remains true. Amniotic fluid is mostly water.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Amniotic+fluid+98%+water&search=&form=QBLH
John 1:12,13 says that being born physically via flesh and blood has no apparent benefit so it isn't even worth mentioning as far as being born again goes. Being “born of water and Spirit” must be a reference to water baptism and spiritual rebirth.
Another clue is that even Nicodemus was wrong about a man being born a second time from a mother. If being “born of water” is a reference to live birth amniotic fluid then that’s only the first birth and couldn’t have any bearing on being “born again” (as in born a second time spiritually) as John 3 says.
“Water and Spirit” is definitely not live birth. Therefore it's water baptism.
And you nailed the whole point, when you said "when a woman's WATER broke".
Even today it is referred to as "water".
...fluid/secretkions are is different
Not true.
If you go that road...then repentance is also....?
Repentance stands alone
Baptism stands alone
Righteous living stands alone, etc.
Why tie anything with baptism?
Study the following;
Not true.
If you go that road...then repentance is also....?
Repentance stands alone
Baptism stands alone
Righteous living stands alone, etc.
Why tie anything with baptism?
Study the following;
Baptism is Required
Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...
John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.
KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.
Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.
Acts 19:4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”
John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth
.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.
Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.
Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.
......If you were baptized for some reason other than for forgiveness of sins in order to be ...born again... then you do not have salvation and you are still lost. Who are you going to follow: God or man? As our Lord warns us in Matthew 15:14, "And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a ditch." Don't allow someone, who has added to and taken away from God's word, to lead you. Open your eyes and read God's word for yourself. Those who have added to and taken away from God's word will be lost. If you continue to follow them, then you too will be lost.
Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.
Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).
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Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...
John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.
KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.
Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.
Acts 19:4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”
John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth
.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.
Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.
Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.
......If you were baptized for some reason other than for forgiveness of sins in order to be ...born again... then you do not have salvation and you are still lost. Who are you going to follow: God or man? As our Lord warns us in Matthew 15:14, "And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a ditch." Don't allow someone, who has added to and taken away from God's word, to lead you. Open your eyes and read God's word for yourself. Those who have added to and taken away from God's word will be lost. If you continue to follow them, then you too will be lost.
Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.
Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).
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Then you just aren't paying attention to the context.
In v.3 Jesus told Nic he needed to be born AGAIN. In v.4 confused Nic thought Jesus was referring to a SECOND physical birth by his comments about it.
So, in v.5 Jesus clearly differentiated between the FIRST birth, being physical, and the SECOND birth, being spiritual.
If you aren't following the logic of this, you just aren't trying to.
So, it's "must" eh? The context totally refutes your demands. Ol' Nic was confused about a SECOND physical birth, and Jesus corrected him by pointing to the 2 births, one physical and one spiritual. It is very clear.
Well, of course!! And that is the exact point. Jesus had to correct him, which He did in v.5 about the 2 births, the FIRST being physical and the SECOND being spiritual.
Actually, you are correct. The physical birth has NO BEARING on being born again. And that was Jesus' point to Nic.
And that is precisely WHY Jesus told Nic he needed to be born AGAIN in v.3.
The FIRST birth IS a live physical birth. The SECOND birth is spiritual, which was Jesus' explanation to Nic.
No, therefore your logic is flawed. The context screams 2 births, the first one physical and the second one spiritual.