Why So Many Different Christian Views?

[Magenta]

Colossians 2:11 NLT - "When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical
procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature."

So when God said that He would give us new Hearts, those numerous statements in the Old Testament were
pointing directly to Colossians 2:9-15 . . . the cutting away of sinful Flesh, or Sarx, the Sinful state of a person.

Wow. That ^ is one of my very early panels

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Thank you, and yes I certainly do see the connection It highlights one of the paradoxes people
grapple with and often fall down too hard on one side or the other in failing to grasp the whole of it.

Deuteronomy 30:6

My goodness this one is just so beautiful. You are pleasing the Lord with these pieces. Brings tears to my eyes just thinking about how much He Loves this celebration of His Holy and remarkable Word.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Wow. That ^ is one of my very early panels

Wow, oh wow, oh wow. I can't believe you have these for Col 2:9-15. You are my Biblical, modern-day hero.

Colossians 2:9-15 is the fulcrum of our Faith. For, without this Spiritual Circumcision, nothing else matters. Nothing.

 

[Magenta]

My goodness this one is just so beautiful. You are pleasing the Lord with these pieces. Brings tears to
my eyes just thinking about how much He Loves this celebration of His Holy and remarkable Word.

Thank you, and I sure hope these panels are pleasing to our Lord

In some ways it can seem my whole life prepared me for this.
And I do derive much... pleasure, and peace, in the creation of them.

I don't know what I'd do with myself otherwise.

PS~ you'd asked earlier how many there were. I counted this year's,
and arrived at a number amounting to two every three days, which
was not counting January, since I didn't really do any panel designs
until the end of that month, being away from Christian Chat...

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Thank you, and I sure hope these panels are pleasing to our Lord

In some ways it can seem my whole life prepared me for this.
And I do derive much... pleasure, and peace, in the creation of them.

I don't know what I'd do with myself otherwise.

PS~ you'd asked earlier how many there were. I counted this year's,
and arrived at a number amounting to two every three days, which
was not counting January, since I didn't really do any panel designs
until the end of that month, being away from Christian Chat...

You are extraordinary and I hope to meet you in Heaven.

 

[Runningman]

We won't be sharing any more dialogue in the future, at least not until I remove everyone from my ignore list which takes place once per year.

Adios amigo.

 

[Runningman]

You have to be kidding! You just got through putting words into my mouth several hours ago.

That comment wasn't directed toward you.

 

[Runningman]

And that is not hypocrisy in your view?

No that's just insincerity.

 

[Magenta]

You are extraordinary and I hope to meet you in Heaven.

I am sure we will meet and greet warmly God has been very good to me. I can take no credit for anything He has blessed me with. Fact is, I was very stiff necked and resisted the call on my life, even knowing His unconditional love and forgiveness through Jesus. I did experience those remarkable aspects of God personally and profoundly, many years before I surrendered my life to Him. Ah! But God knows and understands us better then we can know and understand our own selves

 

[Runningman]

If hypocrisy is not a sin, Jesus was unnecessarily harsh towards the Pharisees.

Do you think Peter was not being a hypocrite?

1 Samuel 16:7b

I think there is a difference between a sin and an offense. Where do you see hypocrisy is a sin? If you want to have that discussion, let's make sure we are speaking the same language.

 

[Runningman]

How can Paul be walking in the Spirit if he is falsely accusing Peter of fear of those of the circumcision group and hypocrisy if Peter was not guilty of such a thing.

Your interpretation pits the apostles against each other, not mine. I am saying they are both walking in the Spirit.

 

[Runningman]

Where do you see Peter giving any words on this? He never said anything to dispute it. He obviously agreed with Paul's rebuke and repented.

You keep saying one apostles word against another apostles word as if there is any suggestion in the text that they exchanged words or that Peter said something to defend himself. Why do you do that?

The sin was that he was moved with fear wanting the praise of men (the circumcision Christians taught that the gentiles must be circumcised) He went along with their separating from the Gentiles when eating and this after God had already showed him that Gentiles believers were as spiritually clean as Jewish believers. Therefore his sin is hypocrisy because he already knew better but his actions were not in line with his doctrine.

It is not possible that he was following Paul's instructions about being all things to all people that he might save some because these were supposed to be already saved. This was a church gathering and these were a group that needed correcting. Circumcision was not required for salvation and his actions were confirming them instead of rebuking them, and as a leader he should have sat with the Gentiles to show them that they were clean in the eyes of the Lord. He taught that. He should have walked that.

The Church council at Jerusalem met over this and prayed and heard from the Holy Spirit that they were not to teach that the Gentiles must be circumcised.

From that day forward all those so called Christian believers that kept insisting that the gentiles believer be circumcised became known as false teachers, and dogs, and enemies of the cross. And they are still with us today. Those that teach people have to be baptized over again if the preacher did not say the words exactly to their specifications would be one example.

I don't take Peter's silence as an admission of guilt. I am sure if he had the opportunity to pen a letter in his defense things would be a lot more clear. Furthermore, doesn't Paul need a second witness to establish a credible accusation here? This is just Paul venting, not leveling a real charge against Peter.

 

[Runningman]

You are extraordinary and I hope to meet you in Heaven.

I hope and pray the Lord softens your heart for your brothers and sisters because there won't be any massive ignore lists, like you seem to have, in Heaven. You'll be expected to tolerate others in love regardless or how annoying you feel they might be.

 

[Magenta]

I think there is a difference between a sin and an offense. Where do you see hypocrisy is a sin?
If you want to have that discussion, let's make sure we are speaking the same language.

So failing to love others is not a sin in your view? Hmmm. And living in fear despite all the exhortations
against it is not a sin? Offenses against God are not sin? Walking after the Spirit means nobody can be
wrong about anything? Or sin at all? No, I don't think that's the type of discussion I would care to have.

 

[Runningman]

So failing to love others is not a sin in your view? Hmmm. And living in fear despite all the exhortations
against it is not a sin? Offenses against God are not sin? Walking after the Spirit means nobody can be
wrong about anything? Or sin at all?

A sin is a transgression of God's law. This is critical you understand what a sin is and isn't. Sins are clearly identified in the Bible in exhaustive fashion. Where is hypocrisy listed as a sin?

1 John 3:4
“Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.”

No, I don't think that's the type of discussion I would care to have.

okay Magenta. I am here if you change your mind and the same goes for @2ndTimothyGroup

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

So failing to love others is not a sin in your view? Hmmm. And living in fear despite all the exhortations
against it is not a sin? Offenses against God are not sin? Walking after the Spirit means nobody can be
wrong about anything? Or sin at all? No, I don't think that's the type of discussion I would care to have.

I can't see the text that you're responding to as that, or those, individuals have been blocked, but what you've written sure sounds great!

 

[ResidentAlien]

Another one bites the dust. 2ndTimothyGroup can't seem to simply put someone on ignore, he/she always has to make a lot of noise about it. I think he/she gets more sadistic pleasure out of putting people in their place.

 

[Runningman]

Another one bites the dust. 2ndTimothyGroup can't seem to simply put someone on ignore, he/she always has to make a lot of noise about it. I think he/she gets more sadistic pleasure out of putting people in their place.

This is my second time on his ignore list. This time I got ignored for agreeing with him this time around. All I said was "Same to you."

 

[Rosemaryx]

That's not clear. That's one apostle's word against another apostle's word and I don't clearly see what the sin is. It says he sat with and talked to people. That's not a sin.

I believe it was because Peter stopped eating with the Gentiles , so Paul called him out on it...Barnabas followed Peter in his action , Peter was being a hypocrite...
...xox...

 

[Rosemaryx]

Thank you, and yes I certainly do see the connection It highlights one of the paradoxes people
grapple with and often fall down too hard on one side or the other in failing to grasp the whole of it.

Deuteronomy 30:6

I love this one @Magenta , everything about it...
...xox...