CIA false flags in Ukraine

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Hey17

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https://www.workers.org/2021/01/54104/

Bidens handlers knew what would trigger Moscow.

"Despite the media talk of justice, new policy and diversity, behind the scenes the same old U.S. militarist policies are being reinforced through Biden’s cabinet choices and their direct ties to industry-funded think tanks and military contractors."
 
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Hey17

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Looks like they killed this guy who have been exposing the western intelligence propaganda in Ukraine.

 
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Hey17

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He was aware they wanted him dead it seems.

 
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But now we are supposed to trust these people?

https://www.axios.com/pandora-papers-politicians-countries-d8ca46fc-8422-4d39-b354-aa1de2a24a9f.html

"The Ukrainian president may have pledged to reform the country's corrupt system of politics, but the Pandora Papers tell a different story.

Driving the news: Ukraine is the country with the highest number of politicians named in the leak of offshore data, which implicates hundreds of people linked to offshore companies — including President Volodymyr Zelensky."
 
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Hey17 said:
But now we are supposed to trust these people?

https://www.axios.com/pandora-papers-politicians-countries-d8ca46fc-8422-4d39-b354-aa1de2a24a9f.html

"The Ukrainian president may have pledged to reform the country's corrupt system of politics, but the Pandora Papers tell a different story.

Driving the news: Ukraine is the country with the highest number of politicians named in the leak of offshore data, which implicates hundreds of people linked to offshore companies — including President Volodymyr Zelensky."
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the whole situation is such a mess, with both sides doing false flags and spreading propaganda, who knows what to believe....
 
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I know that Russia has been telling the west to back off for a long time...so far, they haven't listened. They have, however, broken agreements made with Russia concerning NATO expansion. I'm surprised that it took this long for Russia to do what they're doing.
I don't think Russia wants a war, but felt they had no choice. I think they would be satisfied with a de-armed, neutral Ukraine. But we are determined to continue the fighting. Sucks to be Ukrainian!
 
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Nato and the USA have been secretly pushing Putin/Russia into a very tight corner for a few years.
All 3 (Nato, Ukraine, USA) were going to try to "get the Crimea Back" and let it be again controlled by the Ukraine.
This has been in operation for a while, and Putin knew it.
Yesterday, Biden is talking about..>"i wonder where the arms went that we have been giving to Zelenskyy""", while the German Government is denying any of this is happening..
Its just lies wrapped up in lies, endlessly coming at you from the SCREEN you are watching.

I can tell you that the Ukraine Army kills Ukraine Citizens, then runs to the World Media and shows photos and says...>"See what Putin did today".
Do you recall the Ukrainian girl that was raped and branded? Russia's army didn't do that, but they got blamed for it.
WELCOME to how ZELENSKYY uses the media to build a false case against Russia / Putin.
He's been doing it now for about 2 months, and having enormous success.

When did i realize that this Nazi Zelenskyy is a lie machine who has become a worldwide evil "cult of personality"? It was when he first started to rant about ...'The Russian Army destroyed a HOLOCAUST memorial.... they bombed it".
And in FACT, that never happened, but i realized that Zelenskyy understands that to BRAND your enemy with incredible accusations, just the most wild lies...is exactly what the world MEDIA EATS like CANDY and gives out to all the idiots that have sat there, zombie like.... brain turned off.... no ability to see thru this Nazi Liar.......as they are ZONED OUT in front of Zelenkyys' face that is on every screen on the planet for the last 6+ Weeks.

Here is an update for you.
Get your facts together.
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Hey17 said:
https://www.workers.org/2021/01/54104/

Bidens handlers knew what would trigger Moscow.

"Despite the media talk of justice, new policy and diversity, behind the scenes the same old U.S. militarist policies are being reinforced through Biden’s cabinet choices and their direct ties to industry-funded think tanks and military contractors."
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Putin was going to invade Ukraine whatever the US said or did. He has been building up his forces for years. He invaded sovereign territory in 2014. I doubt that Biden was responsible for that, although some will find a way to blame him.

Putin has been quite happy to go to war. He has been upgrading his forces, not to defend Russia, but to attack now independent former members of the USSR.


No doubt Putin expected the world to ignore his venture into Ukraine as they did when he attacked Georgia and annexed Crimea. He was wrong. He's also discovered that upgrading hardware is useless if his soldiers are not up to scratch. Ukraine has outwitted and and outfought Russia.

It is not possible for nations to isolate themselves from international affairs. Churchill was right about the threat that Russia posed to world peace. He was ignored and too many countries paid the price. The world is a bad enough place as it is. If most of it was controlled by Russia and China, it would be worse. You may think it's OK to condemn people to live under a neo-Stalinist regime. Putin is little better than Stalin. It is in America and the West's interests to see Putin defeated. It would be reprehensible not to support Ukraine.
 
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Don't all the power welders in this thing win? Be it Russia, America,Ukraine.
 
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Gideon300

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Don't all the power welders in this thing win? Be it Russia, America,Ukraine.
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No. America is spending a fortune to assist Ukraine, as are a number of other countries. Russia is an international pariah state, being bankrupted by corruption and now by war. Ukraine is holding out, but victory, in whatever form it takes, will be bitter indeed. Cities will have to be rebuilt. Lives have been shattered. Many will never recover from the trauma.

It's hard to know what the fall out will be. One thing that Russia did not expect is NATO developing a long-missing spine. Europe has found a cause that is uniting them. China will be taking notes. Will this dissuade them from invading Taiwan? America is committing a lot of weaponry to the conflict. Will China risk a war while the US is distracted? Taiwan will be more difficult to invade than Ukraine, that's for sure. Reminds me of Bob Dylan, the times are changing. But it's a bit too soon to predict how it will pan out.
 
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Gideon300 said:
No. America is spending a fortune to assist Ukraine, as are a number of other countries. Russia is an international pariah state, being bankrupted by corruption and now by war. Ukraine is holding out, but victory, in whatever form it takes, will be bitter indeed. Cities will have to be rebuilt. Lives have been shattered. Many will never recover from the trauma.

It's hard to know what the fall out will be. One thing that Russia did not expect is NATO developing a long-missing spine. Europe has found a cause that is uniting them. China will be taking notes. Will this dissuade them from invading Taiwan? America is committing a lot of weaponry to the conflict. Will China risk a war while the US is distracted? Taiwan will be more difficult to invade than Ukraine, that's for sure. Reminds me of Bob Dylan, the times are changing. But it's a bit too soon to predict how it will pan out.
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I don't think America invests in this without a huge payback. Our government is not altruistic .
 
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I don't think America invests in this without a huge payback. Our government is not altruistic .
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No government is altruistic. The payback will be a weakened Russia and maybe a more cautious China. It's also an opportunity for the armies of the world to learn vital lessons. Unfortunately, people have short memories. Something should have been done in 2014.
 
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gb9 said:
the whole situation is such a mess, with both sides doing false flags and spreading propaganda, who knows what to believe....
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both are very wicked yes. if you are a christian i say dont pick a side.
 
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both are very wicked yes. if you are a christian i say dont pick a side.
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One side chooses to murder women and children; engages in wholesale destruction of cities, homes and civilian infrastructure. One side invaded a country at peace, a country that is a threat to no one. There is such a thing as the lesser of two evils.
 
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Gideon300 said:
One side chooses to murder women and children; engages in wholesale destruction of cities, homes and civilian infrastructure. One side invaded a country at peace, a country that is a threat to no one. There is such a thing as the lesser of two evils.
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which one of those is the lesser of two evils? lol. ukraine is a complete puppet to NATO and EU and i hate both pro-LGBT organizations. russia i dislike because im their neighbor and we have history, they can never be trusted as was shown again. they said we are not attacking ukraine western media is all lies then two weeks later they attack. for no reason.
 
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Melach said:
which one of those is the lesser of two evils? lol. ukraine is a complete puppet to NATO and EU and i hate both pro-LGBT organizations. russia i dislike because im their neighbor and we have history, they can never be trusted as was shown again. they said we are not attacking ukraine western media is all lies then two weeks later they attack. for no reason.
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What harm has Ukraine done you or your country?

I despise the LGBTQI culture also. However, I don't believe that killing indiscriminately is the answer. Putin has no justification for his actions and he will pay, either now or in the next life. God will judge sinners individually. Oh, and Putin is not God.
 
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