I can't believe you are calling God's word..."false doctrine".
May God forgive you.
Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection
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I can't believe you are calling God's word..."false doctrine".
May God forgive you.
That's weird...how can it be a sign?...it is not something we wear around our neck...as a sign.
You are trying to miss lead folks....Those references.... has nothing to do with water baptism.
That's male bovine residue...but, Oh...maybe I missed it...what post or posts?my feeling.
when I see it I will retract.
I came across a verse that reminded me of another verse that Paul said.
1 Cor 1:17 - For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
Acts 20:21 - I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.
So, given Paul's own testimony about WHY Christ sent him: NOT to baptize, but to preach the gospel, AND what he preached in Acts 20:21, it is clear that Paul DIDN'T include water baptism as being required/necessary for salvation.
So, if you want to stay stubborn, just know that Paul gave us clear teaching that you are in direct opposition to what he taught.
The verses that you use are special cases only. They don't apply to you.
What Paul taught DOES apply to everyone.
FreeGrace2 said:
I have already addressed each and every verse here. Why do you persist in your false doctrine? You have been exposed.
But, you haven't even tried to show me my error about what I said about each verse. So, if you really did have truth, you would have been able to provide clear evidence that would have shown my error.
So your lack of addressing my comments about the verses you keep quoting is very telling.
Again, John 3:5 isn't about water baptism at all. I pointed out what Nic said in v.4, about how he misunderstood what Jesus said about being "born again". He was thinking another physical birth (entering his mother's womb a second time).
So, when Jesus said "must be born of water and the spirit" in v.5, He was telling ol' Nic that the second birth is spiritual. So "born of water" DOES DOES DOES refer to physical birth.
Context proves that.
So, again, you are just all wet.
And you can't refute my explanations for your verses.
I have already addressed each and every verse here. Why do you persist in your false doctrine? You have been exposed.
This is just amazing! I addressed each and every verse you keep copying and pasting. And NONE of them supports your false doctrine.
But, you haven't even tried to show me my error about what I said about each verse. So, if you really did have truth, you would have been able to provide clear evidence that would have shown my error.
So your lack of addressing my comments about the verses you keep quoting is very telling.
I explained all the verses. And you just ignore it. I'm not in need of being forgiven. I have explained what all those verses teach.
Again, John 3:5 isn't about water baptism at all. I pointed out what Nic said in v.4, about how he misunderstood what Jesus said about being "born again". He was thinking another physical birth (entering his mother's womb a second time).
So, when Jesus said "must be born of water and the spirit" in v.5, He was telling ol' Nic that the second birth is spiritual. So "born of water" DOES DOES DOES refer to physical birth.
Context proves that.
So, again, you are just all wet.
And you can't refute my explanations for your verses.
Are the "signs of heaven" items to wear? Are you not aware of the difference between literal and figurative?
Wrong...nice try though. with you looking maybe, just maybe....you can convince yourself that baptism is required for sin cleansing, as the Bible says.
Paul was recording his assignment as he understood from God. What does Acts 20;21 mean? That says it all.
Yes, it sure does say it all.
1 Cor 1:17 - For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
Acts 20:21 - I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.
So, given Paul's own testimony about WHY Christ sent him: NOT to baptize, but to preach the gospel, AND what he preached in Acts 20:21, it is clear that Paul DIDN'T include water baptism as being required/necessary for salvation.
So, if you want to stay stubborn, just know that Paul gave us clear teaching that you are in direct opposition to what he taught.
Please finish your sentence:
"Baptism is required....." for what? What are you saying that "baptism is required" for?
Are you talking about Water baptism? Holy Spirit baptism? or Fire baptism? John's baptism? What?
Here is some VERY good news for you!
The "Work" of Water Baptism for Salvation was recorded in the Body of Jesus Christ when John the Baptist baptized Jesus in the Jordan River. John objected to being baptized Jesus Christ has Humanly FULFILLED ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS for us..... for you!
So, arguing over fully immersed or sprinkled or if water baptism is needed or required for Salvation is really a MUTE point.... Jesus Christ wants us water baptized as a SIGN of being in covenant with Him in His death, burial and resurrection.
EVERY WORK necessary for us to be saved has been done in Jesus Christ. Hallelujah!!
The good works we do now are because we LOVE God, we're so thankful and excited to be His! We follow Him, He got water baptized and told us to do it too, so we do because we're SAVED....... NOT to get saved.
We hate sin now, sin makes us miserable and we miss God's blessings.... He has to correct and chasten us instead. We're learning to love God's Ways and be pleasing in His sight.... there's so much joy!
The Sign of Circumcision was not publicly visible either....
Yet, it was done publicly in a ceremony.The Sign of Water Baptism is also done publicly and then not visible.....yet, God knows and all that were present to witness it, they know.
The farce is yours. I've proven from Scripture that water baptism isn't required for salvation.
Which is typical of those who realize that they cannot refute the evidence of others. Just quit.
perhaps it didn't post;
Baptism is Required;
Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...
John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.
KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.
Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.
John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth
.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.
Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.
Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.
Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.
Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).
The Sign of Circumcision was not publicly visible either....
The Sign of Water Baptism is also done publicly and then not visible.....yet, God knows and all that were present to witness it, they know.
Here is this "sign of water Baptism" thing again that there doesn't seem to be any scriptural evidence for.
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