Thoughts on Christian non-violence

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The challenge of possible beliefs has challenged impossible questions your ability to prove it. Every thing needs doubt to challenge flesh and blood. Can it prove impossible abilities being overcome by a higher knowledge of experience of Spirit being masters of possibilities by the strength of faith challenged by unbelief.
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What? :oops:
 
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What? :oops:
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Well the actual possibility compared to what we can believe has doubt that confronts yourself, like Paul sayings your not available to what he called meat compared to milk still needed by those getting spirit by just being babes limited to digesting meat is a challenge to babes needing what flesh and blood requires site, Luke 17: Also hinted about God in you and kingdom isn't proved by hearing or seeing it work in you looking for it outside yourself, 20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
 
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Well, let us look at Daniel. We see in Daniel 6, that Daniel was a man of God who prayed to God three times a day. Some of the Admin and Satraps wanted to get at Daniel and so they made King Darius make a decree to make prayer illegal unless it was to King Darius and anyone who broke it would be sent to the lions den. Daniel, being a man of God, did not follow this decree and continued to pray to God. This got him in trouble and he was sent into the Lions den. Before he was thrown in, King Darius said, “May your God, whom you serve continually, rescue you!” We learn later that God had sent an angel to shut the mouths of the lions and Daniel was saved. I believe that we can assume that when Daniel was thrown into the lions den, the first thing he did, was pray. Pray to Daniel was a lifeline, it was all he knew how to live and connect with God. Now, we also see in the books of Acts, that when Paul and Silas were in jail, they sang hymns and praises to God and the Lord sent and earthquake to release them from jail and that allowed them to minster to the jailer and his whole family. We also see in 2 Chronicles 20, that and three armies came near the people of Israel. The King called everyone together to call on the Lord for help. A prophet, who speaks for the Lord, tells the king and the people that the Lord has heard their cry and will save them. He says the the battle is the Lord's and that they will not have to fight. The king has so much faith, that he calls upon the musicians, dancers, and singers to as the front lines and when they get to the clearing to see the other armies, the Lord had turned the armies against each other and they all were dead.

What I find interesting, is that to my knowledge, there is no events of self defense by Christians in the book of Acts, which is supposed to be the history book of the believers right after Jesus left the earth. If carrying swords and protecting ones life was so important, why, from what we can tell, did Peter, Paul, James, Stephen, and the other believers not defend themselves when being attacked or arrested? Why do we not hear of Christians trying to fight back against the persecution of Saul when he was persecuting Christians? Would they even need weapons when, through Jesus, they had the power to raise people from the dead, heal the sick, and the lame?
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So are you going to try that out by inserting yourself into a wild life preserve where the lions roam free?

No you're not. You don't have any personal examples, I actually have several where God intervened and kept me safe. I won't be posting though. You don't need personal examples since you have all those biblical examples. Do you suppose there are any Christians in Ukraine? You could go there and show them how to die perhaps.

You are truly not aware of actual danger or warfare or you would either be dead with your ideology or you would not post the nonsense you are posting.
 
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So are you going to try that out by inserting yourself into a wild life preserve where the lions roam free?

No you're not. You don't have any personal examples, I actually have several where God intervened and kept me safe. I won't be posting though. You don't need personal examples since you have all those biblical examples. Do you suppose there are any Christians in Ukraine? You could go there and show them how to die perhaps.

You are truly not aware of actual danger or warfare or you would either be dead with your ideology or you would not post the nonsense you are posting.
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Careful @Avery , Glen's an older guy... I'm sure it all makes sense to him ;)
 
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Don't concern what I suggest, being a poster isn't that powerful to what's already majoring your strength of faith pondering my faith, the experience compared to what all different encounters that can be judged by others to disregard as proof you compare, being only responsible for your self, how many man can determine the right way is by their studies verses truth just manifesting's you can't learn by the correct reading words saved how many? The other fact not excerpted by some mans belief, waking does away with you being saved being labeled Christ in you does challenge experts to understand what it means to just being a son also becoming another one by rebirth, me just being old fruitcake is good humor.
 
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glen55 said:
Don't concern what I suggest, being a poster isn't that powerful to what's already majoring your strength of faith pondering my faith, the experience compared to what all different encounters that can be judged by others to disregard as proof you compare, being only responsible for your self, how many man can determine the right way is by their studies verses truth just manifesting's you can't learn by the correct reading words saved how many? The other fact not excerpted by some mans belief, waking does away with you being saved being labeled Christ in you does challenge experts to understand what it means to just being a son also becoming another one by rebirth, me just being old fruitcake is good humor.
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Hang on to that sense of humor friend! God bless you :cool:
 
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Careful @Avery , Glen's an older guy... I'm sure it all makes sense to him ;)
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well... I'm an "older guy" as well, and what he said makes less sense than most of what our president says...
I'm not trying to be mean to glenn55, but I honestly can't make ANY sense of it.... bless his heart....
 
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I’m interested to know what your guys thoughts are on this video?
This video is about a Muslim man who converts to Christianity. In this video he talks about when he was a Muslim he would hate on Christians and beat them up. He said one day he made his friends followed a Christian boy from his school home and they beat him and left him to die. Later you will hear in this testimony that the man who beat the Christian, becomes a Christian and goes to a conference where he runs in to the Christian man that they had left to die. Do you guys believe that the Christian man who is beaten, should have defended himself? do you think the story would have been as powerful, effective, and full of potential if the Christian would have defended himself?
 
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I don't think any of us are saying we wouldn't be willing to die for our faith... but just random criminals coming in to beat, rape, murder is not the same thing as that. They are not saying "I'm going to rape your wife and daughters, and murder all of you because you are Christians".... nope. There is no glory to Jesus in just sitting back and letting that happen. In fact, as scripture indicates, that would be a failure on your part to protect and provide for your family.
 
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I don't think any of us are saying we wouldn't be willing to die for our faith... but just random criminals coming in to beat, rape, murder is not the same thing as that. They are not saying "I'm going to rape your wife and daughters, and murder all of you because you are Christians".... nope. There is no glory to Jesus in just sitting back and letting that happen. In fact, as scripture indicates, that would be a failure on your part to protect and provide for your family.
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So are you saying if some guy broke into your house with a gun and said that he wanted to kill you and your family because you were Christians that you would not defend yourselves with a gun and try to minister to this person until either the Lord saves you or your lives become a sacrifice for Christ?
 
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njhmusicman18 said:
So are you saying if some guy broke into your house with a gun and said that he wanted to kill you and your family because you were Christians that you would not defend yourselves with a gun and try to minister to this person until either the Lord saves you or your lives become a sacrifice for Christ?
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No.
Nobody knows what they would do in a situation like that until they are in that situation.
My reflex reaction is to instantly neutralize any threat to my family or myself. I would like to believe that if there was any way to defuse the situation without violence, the Spirit would guide me in that direction...
 
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hornetguy said:
No.
Nobody knows what they would do in a situation like that until they are in that situation.
My reflex reaction is to instantly neutralize any threat to my family or myself. I would like to believe that if there was any way to defuse the situation without violence, the Spirit would guide me in that direction...
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But how long would you wait to see if the Spirit would guide you in that sort of direction? And what about Bible passages like Psalm 91 which talk about the protection of the Lord for his people?
What about passages in the Bible like Shadrach, Misha, and Abednego, Who disobeyed the king and were sent into the fiery furnace and were protected by Jesus. They did not fight back but trusted in God. What about all the times in the book of acts that the apostles were arrested, beaten, or persecuted for their faith and they did not fight back.
 
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njhmusicman18 said:
But how long would you wait to see if the Spirit would guide you in that sort of direction? And what about Bible passages like Psalm 91 which talk about the protection of the Lord for his people?
What about passages in the Bible like Shadrach, Misha, and Abednego, Who disobeyed the king and were sent into the fiery furnace and were protected by Jesus. They did not fight back but trusted in God. What about all the times in the book of acts that the apostles were arrested, beaten, or persecuted for their faith and they did not fight back.
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Not many men would stand against an entire army like Samson...
Or cut the ears off of 200 philistines like David...
 
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JAPOV said:
To prove a point to the king when he was still a soldier, and if I remember correctly, to win the king's daughter :cool:
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1 Samuel 18:27
David took his men with him and went out and killed two hundred Philistines and brought back their foreskins. They counted out the full number to the king so that David might become the king’s son-in-law. Then Saul gave him his daughter Michal in marriage.
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Magenta said:
1 Samuel 18:27
David took his men with him and went out and killed two hundred Philistines and brought back their foreskins. They counted out the full number to the king so that David might become the king’s son-in-law. Then Saul gave him his daughter Michal in marriage.
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Lol... Been a while :geek:
 
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