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I want to take you to Matthew 13. I want to look at the parable of the wheat and the tares.

Verse 24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

I want to bring to your attention to a few points. 1. The man sowed his own seed no one else did that part of the work. 2. While the men slept: They went to sleep on the watch giving the enemy: this could be one enemy or more than one. You will learn it was just one. Come in and sow the tares.

Lets go to verses 36-43 Remember this is not my words this is not my explanation; No this is Jesus speaking

36.Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Important take away's: Verse 38: The field is the world. The good seed is not wheat seed it is seed that produces the children of The Kingdom. The bad seed the tears are the children of the wicked one. Verse 39. Who is the devil. The first ones taken are the children of the wicked one Satan and then the wheat is gathered into the barn the children of the kingdom.

The Return of the Lord First Thessalonians 4:13-18​

13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

13. Remember this is not me speaking but Paul. I(Paul) would not have you ignorant (unlearned or untrained on a subject) them that are asleep (dead), that ye sorrow (grieve) not as those that have no hope. Not that you should be sorrowful for the loss but it should nor put us in a place where we can't thank, or move on . . . as others who have no hope. What is that hope. What is that hope: We will be reunited with them. 14. As Jesus rose from the grave so shall our loved ones which have died in Jesus. They will come with Him 15. we which are alive can't prevent them which have died before us. We can not stop them from being with Jesus. When we die the soul returns to God who gave it. Ecclesiastic 12:6&7. The body stays in the ground. Genesis.3:19 Till thou return to the ground; for out of it thou wast taken:for dust thou art, and unto dust thou will return. Job 34:15 All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust. Palms 104:29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust. 1st Corinthians 15: 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. Verse 50 flesh and blood can not enter the kingdom of Heaven. 51.We shall not all sleep: we will not all die; but we will all be changed. 52: when will we change? We be be changed in the blink of an eye at the last trump not in the middle of the 4th, 5th,or 6th, trump but at the last trump the furthest one out. And the dead shall be raised incorruptible. Dead libel to die(spiritually dead) in a spiritual body that has a mortal soul a soul that is libel to die. Paul's words not mine. There will be no flesh bodies in the millennial reign. Why Jesus will have returned at the 7th trump put His foot on the mount of olives split that mountain in halve making a valley 60 miles square. It will be in that moment that twinkle of an eye that we will all gather in the air (in the spirit) and so we shall always be with the Lord or at least till the Great White Throne of Judgment.

So I hope that helps put to rest of of the greatest lies of the church today the rapture and that dead bodies are going to come up out of the grave.

Look forward to the up coming discussion
 
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I want to take you to Matthew 13. I want to look at the parable of the wheat and the tares.

Verse 24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

I want to bring to your attention to a few points. 1. The man sowed his own seed no one else did that part of the work. 2. While the men slept: They went to sleep on the watch giving the enemy: this could be one enemy or more than one. You will learn it was just one. Come in and sow the tares.

Lets go to verses 36-43 Remember this is not my words this is not my explanation; No this is Jesus speaking

36.Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Important take away's: Verse 38: The field is the world. The good seed is not wheat seed it is seed that produces the children of The Kingdom. The bad seed the tears are the children of the wicked one. Verse 39. Who is the devil. The first ones taken are the children of the wicked one Satan and then the wheat is gathered into the barn the children of the kingdom.

The Return of the Lord First Thessalonians 4:13-18​

13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

13. Remember this is not me speaking but Paul. I(Paul) would not have you ignorant (unlearned or untrained on a subject) them that are asleep (dead), that ye sorrow (grieve) not as those that have no hope. Not that you should be sorrowful for the loss but it should nor put us in a place where we can't thank, or move on . . . as others who have no hope. What is that hope. What is that hope: We will be reunited with them. 14. As Jesus rose from the grave so shall our loved ones which have died in Jesus. They will come with Him 15. we which are alive can't prevent them which have died before us. We can not stop them from being with Jesus. When we die the soul returns to God who gave it. Ecclesiastic 12:6&7. The body stays in the ground. Genesis.3:19 Till thou return to the ground; for out of it thou wast taken:for dust thou art, and unto dust thou will return. Job 34:15 All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust. Palms 104:29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust. 1st Corinthians 15: 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. Verse 50 flesh and blood can not enter the kingdom of Heaven. 51.We shall not all sleep: we will not all die; but we will all be changed. 52: when will we change? We be be changed in the blink of an eye at the last trump not in the middle of the 4th, 5th,or 6th, trump but at the last trump the furthest one out. And the dead shall be raised incorruptible. Dead libel to die(spiritually dead) in a spiritual body that has a mortal soul a soul that is libel to die. Paul's words not mine. There will be no flesh bodies in the millennial reign. Why Jesus will have returned at the 7th trump put His foot on the mount of olives split that mountain in halve making a valley 60 miles square. It will be in that moment that twinkle of an eye that we will all gather in the air (in the spirit) and so we shall always be with the Lord or at least till the Great White Throne of Judgment.

So I hope that helps put to rest of of the greatest lies of the church today the rapture and that dead bodies are going to come up out of the grave.

Look forward to the up coming discussion
Well your definitely off on some things but that's OK, keep reading, praying and studying the Word - All of it.
 

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the greatest lies of the church today the rapture and that dead bodies are going to come up out of the grave.
not sure if you think that isn't exactly what 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 says?
 

posthuman

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13. Remember this is not me speaking but Paul. I(Paul) would not have you ignorant (unlearned or untrained on a subject) them that are asleep (dead), that ye sorrow (grieve) not as those that have no hope. Not that you should be sorrowful for the loss but it should nor put us in a place where we can't thank, or move on . . . as others who have no hope. What is that hope. What is that hope: We will be reunited with them. 14. As Jesus rose from the grave so shall our loved ones which have died in Jesus. They will come with Him 15. we which are alive can't prevent them which have died before us. We can not stop them from being with Jesus. When we die the soul returns to God who gave it. Ecclesiastic 12:6&7. The body stays in the ground. Genesis.3:19 Till thou return to the ground; for out of it thou wast taken:for dust thou art, and unto dust thou will return. Job 34:15 All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust. Palms 104:29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust. 1st Corinthians 15: 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. Verse 50 flesh and blood can not enter the kingdom of Heaven. 51.We shall not all sleep: we will not all die; but we will all be changed. 52: when will we change? We be be changed in the blink of an eye at the last trump not in the middle of the 4th, 5th,or 6th, trump but at the last trump the furthest one out. And the dead shall be raised incorruptible. Dead libel to die(spiritually dead) in a spiritual body that has a mortal soul a soul that is libel to die. Paul's words not mine. There will be no flesh bodies in the millennial reign. Why Jesus will have returned at the 7th trump put His foot on the mount of olives split that mountain in halve making a valley 60 miles square. It will be in that moment that twinkle of an eye that we will all gather in the air (in the spirit) and so we shall always be with the Lord or at least till the Great White Throne of Judgment.
if the Spirit returns to God who gave it, how can it be 'raised' ?
raised above God?
then what is 'raised' ?


was Christ risen in the flesh?
or were the rumors true, the disciples stole & hid His body, then went about preaching a lie?
if He is not raised, we are the most miserable of men, because that is exactly the hope of the gospel: redemption. resurrection.
salvation to we who believe, not a slightly mitigated universal damnation.


if Christ is not come in the flesh, risen in the flesh, ascended in the flesh and will likewise return the same way He ascended, then there is no salvation at all.

waiting for the adoption,
to wit,
the redemption of our body.
(Romans 8:23)
 
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And the righteous will be placed in a barn till further notice. Bob 12:5

Gotcha🤔🤔
 

kenallen

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if the Spirit returns to God who gave it, how can it be 'raised' ?
raised above God?
then what is 'raised' ?


was Christ risen in the flesh?
or were the rumors true, the disciples stole & hid His body, then went about preaching a lie?
if He is not raised, we are the most miserable of men, because that is exactly the hope of the gospel: redemption. resurrection.
salvation to we who believe, not a slightly mitigated universal damnation.


if Christ is not come in the flesh, risen in the flesh, ascended in the flesh and will likewise return the same way He ascended, then there is no salvation at all.

waiting for the adoption,
to wit,
the redemption of our body.
(Romans 8:23)
if the Spirit returns to God who gave it, how can it be 'raised' ?
raised above God?
then what is 'raised' ?


was Christ risen in the flesh?
or were the rumors true, the disciples stole & hid His body, then went about preaching a lie?
if He is not raised, we are the most miserable of men, because that is exactly the hope of the gospel: redemption. resurrection.
salvation to we who believe, not a slightly mitigated universal damnation.


if Christ is not come in the flesh, risen in the flesh, ascended in the flesh and will likewise return the same way He ascended, then there is no salvation at all.

waiting for the adoption,
to wit,
the redemption of our body.
(Romans 8:23)
So your saying that What Paul wrote here is not true. You are saying God's word is not true.
New International Version
I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

New Living Translation
What I am saying, dear brothers and sisters, is that our physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. These dying bodies cannot inherit what will last forever.

English Standard Version
I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Berean Study Bible
Now I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Berean Literal Bible
Now I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood is not able to inherit the kingdom of God, nor does decay inherit immortality.

King James Bible
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

New King James Version
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

New American Standard Bible
Now I say this, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
Matthew 17:1-3 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, 2And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 3And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
Strong's #3339: metamorphoo (pronounced met-am-or-fo'-o) from 3326 and 3445; to transform (literally or figuratively, "metamorphose"):--change, transfigure, transform. Thayer's Greek Lexicon: ́ .
 

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How is it that Jesus in a physical body could walk through walls? How could He walk with the deciples on the road and they not know him and then just disappear unless He was in a spiritual body.
not sure if you think that isn't exactly what 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 says?
not sure if you think that isn't exactly what 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 says?
Then what does 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 say.
 

kenallen

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If I am off please don't just tell me I am off but Help me understand where I am off.
 

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Then what does 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 say.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of
an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
 
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If I am off please don't just tell me I am off but Help me understand where I am off.
Good Afternoon,

When Jesus rose from the dead was His body still in the Tomb?

The rolled teh rock away and looked inside and did not find His body - where did it go?

The graves opened up and the dead rose up from those grave and became alive. - Matthew ch27

And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.

Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
 

posthuman

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So your saying that What Paul wrote here is not true. You are saying God's word is not true.
New International Version
I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
what i am telling you is that if you think this contradicts Christ rising in the flesh, then you have a very serious theological problem
 

posthuman

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How is it that Jesus in a physical body could walk through walls? How could He walk with the deciples on the road and they not know him and then just disappear unless He was in a spiritual body.
please just answer plainly:

did Christ come in the flesh?
did Christ rise in the flesh?
did Christ ascend in the flesh?


or is there no salvation, no redemption, no hope?


i would like to ascertain if you are a gnostic heretic or an actual Christian
for the purposes of saving lots of wasted words :)
((1st 2nd 3rd John exist in the Bible for a reason))

if such things offend you, then i think i already have the answer.
 

posthuman

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So your saying that What Paul wrote here is not true.
did i not mention Romans 8:23?
excuse me but who wrote that?
under Whose inspiration?

don't even start.

every hidden thing in you will come to light bruh
 
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Luke 24:36-45

36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
 

kenallen

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did i not mention Romans 8:23?
excuse me but who wrote that?
under Whose inspiration?

don't even start.

every hidden thing in you will come to light bruh
New International Version
and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

New Living Translation
For then the dust will return to the earth, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

English Standard Version
and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Berean Study Bible
before the dust returns to the ground from which it came and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

King James Bible
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

New King James Version
Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it.

New American Standard Bible
then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

NASB 1995
then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

NASB 1977
then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

Amplified Bible
then the dust [out of which God made man’s body] will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

Christian Standard Bible
and the dust returns to the earth as it once was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
and the dust returns to the earth as it once was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.”

American Standard Version
and the dust returneth to the earth as it was, and the spirit returneth unto God who gave it.

did i not mention Romans 8:23?
excuse me but who wrote that?
under Whose inspiration?

don't even start.
 

kenallen

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did i not mention Romans 8:23?
excuse me but who wrote that?
under Whose inspiration?

don't even start.

every hidden thing in you will come to light bruh
Have you ever read the entire chapter of Romans 8?
Future Glory
(2 Corinthians 5:1-10)
18For I reckon that the sufferings of the present time are not comparable to the coming glory to be revealed to us. 19For the earnest expectation of the creation awaits the revelation of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of the One having subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will also be set free from the bondage of decay, into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
22For we know that the whole creation groans together and travails together until now. 23And not only so, but we ourselves, even having the firstfruit of the Spirit, also groan ourselves in ourselves, awaiting divine adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. 24For in this hope we were saved; but hope being seen is no hope; for does anyone hope for what he sees? 25But if we hope for what we do not see, we await in patience.
26Now likewise also, the Spirit joins to help us in weakness; for we do not know the things which we should pray for as it behooves, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession with inexpressible groanings. 27And the One searching hearts knows what is the mindset of the Spirit, because He intercedes for the saints according to God.
1st Corinthians 15:47-58
47 The spiritual, however, was not first, but the natural, and then the spiritual. 47The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48As was the earthly man, so also are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so also shall we bear the likeness of the heavenly man.
Where, O Death, Is Your Victory?
(Hosea 13:9–14)
50Now I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must be clothedf with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.
54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality,g then the saying that is written will come to pass: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”h
55“Where, O Death, is your victory?
Where, O Death, is your sting?”i
56The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!
58Therefore, my beloved brothers, be steadfast and immovable. Always excel in the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.
 

kenallen

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did i not mention Romans 8:23?
excuse me but who wrote that?
under Whose inspiration?

don't even start.

every hidden thing in you will come to light bruh
posthuman, Mark 13:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately, 4Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled? 5And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you: 6For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
2nd Corinthians 11:12. But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
I don't know where you are getting your teaching but it does nor follow Gods word. 1st Corinthians as well as other places throughout the bible make it clear that we have a physical body as well as a spiritual body. The physical body dies returns to the earth from which it came and the spiritual body returns to God from which it came. Not all spiritual bodies are the same; some have mortal souls that means they are labile to die(go to hell) other have an eternal souls that means they live for ever with God.
 
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pottersclay

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How is it that Jesus in a physical body could walk through walls? How could He walk with the deciples on the road and they not know him and then just disappear unless He was in a spiritual body.


Then what does 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 say.
Not spiritual but new.